AAP official percentage of 20.8%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“FCPS is deathly afraid that, if it makes AAP a true GT program again, there will be massive flight of higher-income families out of some high ESOL/FARMS school pyramids where parents will only keep their kids enrolled if the kids are in AAP.”

There would. I think even the “normal” schools would see more pressure since they could not get away with doing the low level that the standard curriculum seems to call for.

One of my kids is in gen ed, and the school still has advanced math, above grade language arts groups, and pull-outs for advanced kids. Which schools are teaching gen ed at such a low level? Why aren't those schools being held accountable for poor teaching? Or is the whole "gen ed is remedial" notion just an excuse people are making to push their kids into AAP? If anything, I'm disappointed that there isn't enough of a difference between AAP and the highest groups in gen ed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the percentages of kids leaving their base school for AAP is different for schools with language immersion programs and those without language immersion programs. Do parents whose kids are involved in language immersion leave their kids at the base school with Level III pull outs more frequently then parents whose kids are not in language immersion?

It's common for kids in language immersion to remain there throughout elementary school, and then activate LIV AAP for middle school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“FCPS is deathly afraid that, if it makes AAP a true GT program again, there will be massive flight of higher-income families out of some high ESOL/FARMS school pyramids where parents will only keep their kids enrolled if the kids are in AAP.”

There would. I think even the “normal” schools would see more pressure since they could not get away with doing the low level that the standard curriculum seems to call for.

One of my kids is in gen ed, and the school still has advanced math, above grade language arts groups, and pull-outs for advanced kids. Which schools are teaching gen ed at such a low level? Why aren't those schools being held accountable for poor teaching? Or is the whole "gen ed is remedial" notion just an excuse people are making to push their kids into AAP? If anything, I'm disappointed that there isn't enough of a difference between AAP and the highest groups in gen ed.

Whats the ESL/FARMs rate at your gen ed school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“FCPS is deathly afraid that, if it makes AAP a true GT program again, there will be massive flight of higher-income families out of some high ESOL/FARMS school pyramids where parents will only keep their kids enrolled if the kids are in AAP.”

There would. I think even the “normal” schools would see more pressure since they could not get away with doing the low level that the standard curriculum seems to call for.

One of my kids is in gen ed, and the school still has advanced math, above grade language arts groups, and pull-outs for advanced kids. Which schools are teaching gen ed at such a low level? Why aren't those schools being held accountable for poor teaching? Or is the whole "gen ed is remedial" notion just an excuse people are making to push their kids into AAP? If anything, I'm disappointed that there isn't enough of a difference between AAP and the highest groups in gen ed.

Whats the ESL/FARMs rate at your gen ed school?

40%. That's why they prioritize effective differentiation.

[Anonymous]

Our base school has a very similar demographic but the differentiation is very poor.

[Anonymous]

What's the point of the program if all the smart kids end up taking honors/AP in high school regardless of if they were in AAP or not

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's the point of the program if all the smart kids end up taking honors/AP in high school regardless of if they were in AAP or not

The point of a gifted program is to get the kids to high school, to keep them engaged and not dropping out.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's the point of the program if all the smart kids end up taking honors/AP in high school regardless of if they were in AAP or not

The point of a gifted program is to get the kids to high school, to keep them engaged and not dropping out.

can't tell if you are serious or not. I might agree with gifted but for me that's an extremely small percentage of the population. These kids generally end up skipping multiple grades going to college and graduating multiple years early etc and you might have a few of these kids at each school max.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's the point of the program if all the smart kids end up taking honors/AP in high school regardless of if they were in AAP or not

The point of a gifted program is to get the kids to high school, to keep them engaged and not dropping out.

Gifted kids are bored and being taught well beneath their capabilities in AAP. The point of a true gifted program should be to nurture potential and allow exceptionally capable children the chance to learn at their level rather than wasting their time at school. The point of AAP is to placate a bunch of overbearing parents who are convinced that their normal, bright kids are gifted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's the point of the program if all the smart kids end up taking honors/AP in high school regardless of if they were in AAP or not

The point of a gifted program is to get the kids to high school, to keep them engaged and not dropping out.

Gifted kids are bored and being taught well beneath their capabilities in AAP. The point of a true gifted program should be to nurture potential and allow exceptionally capable children the chance to learn at their level rather than wasting their time at school. The point of AAP is to placate a bunch of overbearing parents who are convinced that their normal, bright kids are gifted.

And yet FCPS has some of the best high schools in the nation. Go figure.

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Anonymous wrote:
And yet FCPS has some of the best high schools in the nation. Go figure.

Agreed. Elementary schools in FCPS are okay. Middle schools are good. High schools are excellent. Somehow, the open enrollment for advanced classes in high school isn't hurting anyone, and many gen ed kids are successful in AP classes.

[Anonymous]

I would keep AAP as it is and just add a program for the top 0.1% as measured by the WISC full scale. Then those parents would stop complaining.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would keep AAP as it is and just add a program for the top 0.1% as measured by the WISC full scale. Then those parents would stop complaining.

I think that would be ideal but it will never happen. Too expensive. And are you giving everyone a WISC or just those who meet certain thresholds on, say, CogAT?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would keep AAP as it is and just add a program for the top 0.1% as measured by the WISC full scale. Then those parents would stop complaining.

I think that would be ideal but it will never happen. Too expensive. And are you giving everyone a WISC or just those who meet certain thresholds on, say, CogAT?

I think a fair way to operate would be to give a free WISC to all composite scores above 145 on the CoGAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would keep AAP as it is and just add a program for the top 0.1% as measured by the WISC full scale. Then those parents would stop complaining.

I think that would be ideal but it will never happen. Too expensive. And are you giving everyone a WISC or just those who meet certain thresholds on, say, CogAT?

I think a fair way to operate would be to give a free WISC to all composite scores above 145 on the CoGAT.

That would miss the *many* students who score below 132 on both the NNAT and Cogat but above 145 on the WISC.