Some perspective on those blaming Hogan for lack of education funding

[Anonymous]

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Then stop whining about needing more money from the state. Montgomery County has made it's bed and it can lie in it. If there is more money for education in the state it needs to go to the other counties that need the money far more than Montgomery County does. This whole point of this thread is that Montgomery County constantly tries to wheedle more money out of the state. The state has increased educational spending every year (for at least the last 22 years). And frankly, right now, the other jurisdictions need the money far more than Montgomery County does.

The County needs to find the additional money for education from it's own tax income or realign their own budget.

The county is paying plenty. Some of it should come from the state. Also, has the state increased PER STUDENT educational spending every year? Because that's what counts.

[Anonymous]

The county is paying plenty. Some of it should come from the state. Also, has the state increased PER STUDENT educational spending every year? Because that's what counts.

Why should the state allocate more money to the richest county in the state? Baltimore and the rural counties have far greater need than Montgomery County. Those systems have none of the special programs and initiatives that MCPS is so fond of pursuing.

MoCo will need to choose to either significantly raise taxes OR cut back on special programs and just do the basics.

[Anonymous]

Montgomery County is not the richest county in the state.

[Anonymous]

More students coming to North Bethesda, in case anyone lives in that area. (I don't)

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/development/proposed-project-in-north-bethesda-would-produce-1000-residential-units/

They are budgeting 1 car per household, which seems low. And, the area was supposed to be set aside as a Civic Green space. Obviously that's been scrapped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Montgomery County is not the richest county in the state.

It used to be. HoCo has surpassed us. We are lining up with PG county lately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not the PP but that main issue I see with the school and development is years of overcrowding. Like 30-50% overcrowded and the county doing nothing. Stop building more condos if you don't have schools to put the kids in. Stop saying kids don't live in condos (yes, the board says this!) And don't get me started about this disaster of the 2.0 curriculum. They also raised teacher student rations and took away paraeducators. That is my main issues with why MCPS sucks.

That said, I do think the huge influx of poor illegal immigrants that do not speak English has been a burden onto the schools and resources, in certain areas like Rockville, Derwood, Silver Spring, and Gaithersburg. There is a really bad gang presence here in Gaithersburg now. I wish they would start putting asylum seeking teens in the W schools or up in Poolesville/Damascus.

When has anybody on the Board of Education said that kids don't live in condos? Could you please provide one specific instance?

Every single time they have to estimate a new build-up for school allocations. They get around it by saying apartments and condos are about 0.2 kids per unit. What they do know and avoid admitting is many immigrant families share housing, even smaller homes, condos, or apartments. Hispanics tend to do it because they are poor and Asians tend to do it because they grew up with extended family that lives with them. All of these new areas have to have 10-15% HUD housing too. Also, many lower middle class need to rent and not buy single family homes. Some just don't want the work of a house and prefer townhouses, apartments, or condos. So no, 0.2 kids a unit is a blatant lie. But.... it gets them the future allocations to place the new buildings in a school.

[Anonymous]

You are incorrect - they do account for different numbers of kids in high rise apartments vs garden style apartments vs brand new buildings vs 10+ year old buildings (have more kids). Its called generation rates, and within the past 3 years or so they've gotten much better at this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Montgomery County is not the richest county in the state.

It used to be. HoCo has surpassed us. We are lining up with PG county lately.

You should see the Mo Co transplants in Frederick. We are one example. As a two-educator HH, I’m very happy with my kids’ education.

Mo Co started to implode a decade ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not the PP but that main issue I see with the school and development is years of overcrowding. Like 30-50% overcrowded and the county doing nothing. Stop building more condos if you don't have schools to put the kids in. Stop saying kids don't live in condos (yes, the board says this!) And don't get me started about this disaster of the 2.0 curriculum. They also raised teacher student rations and took away paraeducators. That is my main issues with why MCPS sucks.

That said, I do think the huge influx of poor illegal immigrants that do not speak English has been a burden onto the schools and resources, in certain areas like Rockville, Derwood, Silver Spring, and Gaithersburg. There is a really bad gang presence here in Gaithersburg now. I wish they would start putting asylum seeking teens in the W schools or up in Poolesville/Damascus.

When has anybody on the Board of Education said that kids don't live in condos? Could you please provide one specific instance?

Every single time they have to estimate a new build-up for school allocations. They get around it by saying apartments and condos are about 0.2 kids per unit. What they do know and avoid admitting is many immigrant families share housing, even smaller homes, condos, or apartments. Hispanics tend to do it because they are poor and Asians tend to do it because they grew up with extended family that lives with them. All of these new areas have to have 10-15% HUD housing too. Also, many lower middle class need to rent and not buy single family homes. Some just don't want the work of a house and prefer townhouses, apartments, or condos. So no, 0.2 kids a unit is a blatant lie. But.... it gets them the future allocations to place the new buildings in a school.

If they thought that kids don't live in condos, it would be 0 kids per unit. 0.2 kids per unit means that for there is 1 kid per 5 condo units (or 2 kids per 10 condo units, or 20 kids per 100 condo units, or...). Given that only one-third (33%) of households in Montgomery County have a school-aged child, if they were actually estimating 0.2 kids per unit, then that would be a very non-zero percentage.

County-wide, the Planning Department calculates that on average, multifamily high-rise units generate 0.139 K-12 students per unit (i.e., 139 students per 1,000 high-rise units), multifamily low to mid-rise units generate 0.408 K-12 students per unit (i.e., 408 students per 1,000 low to mid-rise units), single-family attached units generate 0.491 K-12 students per unit (i.e., 491 students per 1,000 single-family attached units), and single-family detached units generate 0.465 K-12 students per unit (i.e., 465 students per 1,000 single-family detached units).

http://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/20180621AnnualSchoolTestPBPres.pdf

And yes, that takes into account if multiple families are living in the same home, each with multiple students.

Also, no, it's not "HUD housing". It's the county's Moderately Priced Dwelling Unit (MPDU). Here's a FAQs for the program: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DHCA/Resources/Files/housing/singlefamily/mpdu/Frequently%20Asked%20Questions%202017.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More students coming to North Bethesda, in case anyone lives in that area. (I don't)

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/development/proposed-project-in-north-bethesda-would-produce-1000-residential-units/

They are budgeting 1 car per household, which seems low. And, the area was supposed to be set aside as a Civic Green space. Obviously that's been scrapped.

No, they are proposing 1 parking space per residential unit, for a development that's a 5-minute walk from a Metro station.

If prospective buyers don't think that's enough parking, then they are free to choose to live somewhere else with more parking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Montgomery County is not the richest county in the state.

It used to be. HoCo has surpassed us. We are lining up with PG county lately.

You should see the Mo Co transplants in Frederick. We are one example. As a two-educator HH, I’m very happy with my kids’ education.

Mo Co started to implode a decade ago.

Sadly, your test scores don't reflect that. Frederick has a lot of trouble recruiting high quality teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are incorrect - they do account for different numbers of kids in high rise apartments vs garden style apartments vs brand new buildings vs 10+ year old buildings (have more kids). Its called generation rates, and within the past 3 years or so they've gotten much better at this.

10 years too late and still not good enough.