Some perspective on those blaming Hogan for lack of education funding

[Anonymous]

The count needs to review and defund many of their programs that aren't working before raising taxes again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:STFU with the whining about development. Crown has been a home run. Pike & Rose is doing just fine. RTC is mediocre, but it's a lot healthier than what existed in downtown Rockville before.

The new apartments along Shady Grove Rd are needed and filling up well.

I've lived in Rockville for 20 years, and things are a lot better today than they were when I moved here. The county is developing in the right direction.

Let's get back to talking about Hogan and education funding...

There would be less complaining about oversevelopment in Montgomery county if it wasn’t so negatively affecting our quality of life. Especially our schools.

You really think you can honestly say that MCPS is better now than it was 20 years ago?

Maybe you are in the acuty if Rocjville and benefit from the better services offered, versus those of us stuck with the County, but your kids are still stuck in MCPS.

The out of control development has led to ridiculously overcrowded schools and has negatively affected education. Responsible development is fine. That is not what has been going on in Montgomery county over the past decade.

[Anonymous]

City of Rockville

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First off, he has always increased the amount he gives each year, never decreased. He just doesn't give as much as MCPS says he should, so the wording of decreased always comes into play.

Student enrollment has also increased. Has state funding increased as much as student enrollment increased? What is the yearly per-student funding from the state? Has that increased, decreased, or stayed the same?

Are you asking someone or are you trying to prove a point? I guess the same could be said on the county level and the federal level? Post the stats and let's see.

Let's also compare how much each county gets per pupil in other Maryland counties compared to Montgomery County and who pays for that.

I do know that MCPS spends over $200 million in just administration and overhead staff. I remember reading that. That seems insane.

MCPS professional staff are the best educated in the state on average. They should be able to expect salaries commensurate with their qualifications. Especially considering the number of career changers coming in with subject area masters and doctorates, as well as a decade of real world experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:True PP

So short-sighted for MoCo to pave over every single open space of land.

People move to MoCo because they want to live in the suburbs. If they wanted an urban environment, they would move to DC.

People in the suburbs hate the parking garages. They hate having to pay for parking. They want green space. They want places for their kids and dogs to run around.

In theory, the developers would stop building if there is no demand, but it hasn’t worked that way. So much of the high density housing isn’t filling up, yet they keep adding more projects.

Anyone trying to sell a condo in Montgomery county understands that there is a huge oversupply of condos.

Judging from DCUM, people moving to MoCo want to live in DC, but can’t afford the desirable neighborhoods. So they choose DTWN SS or Pike and Rose because on the weekend, they can pretend for a few hours that they live in Columbia Heights.

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There would be less complaining about oversevelopment in Montgomery county if it wasn’t so negatively affecting our quality of life. Especially our schools.

You really think you can honestly say that MCPS is better now than it was 20 years ago?

Maybe you are in the acuty if Rocjville and benefit from the better services offered, versus those of us stuck with the County, but your kids are still stuck in MCPS.

The out of control development has led to ridiculously overcrowded schools and has negatively affected education. Responsible development is fine. That is not what has been going on in Montgomery county over the past decade.

Generally I interpret "The schools were better 20 years ago" as meaning "There were fewer poor kids and brown kids in MCPS 20 years ago".

[Anonymous]

You really think you can honestly say that MCPS is better now than it was 20 years ago?

No, its so much worse now. ALL self inflicted. It pisses me off when MCPS tries to blame all their screw ups on poor kids.

There have been a series of very bad decisions and a complete loss of control over poor performing staff in MCPS over the past decade. The curriculum disaster, near constant child and sex abuse scandals involving MCPS staff, harassment, sex and assault scandals with the athletic programs, bad forecasting on growth, inadequate professional development..the list goes on and on and ALL comes back to a complete lack of accountability in the central office over the past 10 years.

MCPS should be split up and the central office planted principals all let go. Let smaller districts hire principals that are interested in teachers and students rather than being bureaucratic butt kissers. Let teachers teach and stop letting unqualified fools in the central curriculum office dictate nonsense. There will NEVER be any real accountability with the size of the school system, level that it has dropped to now, and toxic chokehold of inadequacy prevalent in the central office.

[Anonymous]

For those of you who want MCPS to stay the same or improve, you need to vote for county council and executives who will stop the creation of new housing and support better businesses. While adding new residential properties will add some taxes to the county, it also adds more families with more children entering the system. And then any tax money will go towards providing for the additional children rather than improving services and support for the children already in the system.

Adding better business management and laws, and providing incentives to businesses to come into the county will increase the tax revenue without adding children to the system. Then money can be applied towards additional teachers without accounting for additional students and additional services and supplies for the children already in the system. Additionally, the jobs will also likely bring additional workers to the county many of whom will live in the area and add additional tax income to the county. And when you increase the demand without increasing the supply, property values will go up which translates to higher property taxes and more tax revenue, some of which can be applied towards schools.

So, voting for those who vote against business friendly initiatives, and for more residential housing is directly voting against the best interests of the schools and students.

[Anonymous]

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Adding better business management and laws, and providing incentives to businesses to come into the county will increase the tax revenue without adding children to the system. Then money can be applied towards additional teachers without accounting for additional students and additional services and supplies for the children already in the system. Additionally, the jobs will also likely bring additional workers to the county many of whom will live in the area and add additional tax income to the county. And when you increase the demand without increasing the supply, property values will go up which translates to higher property taxes and more tax revenue, some of which can be applied towards schools.

So, voting for those who vote against business friendly initiatives, and for more residential housing is directly voting against the best interests of the schools and students.

When you increase the demand for housing without increasing the supply, the cost of housing goes up. You seem to think that this is a good thing. I don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You really think you can honestly say that MCPS is better now than it was 20 years ago?

No, its so much worse now. ALL self inflicted. It pisses me off when MCPS tries to blame all their screw ups on poor kids.

There have been a series of very bad decisions and a complete loss of control over poor performing staff in MCPS over the past decade. The curriculum disaster, near constant child and sex abuse scandals involving MCPS staff, harassment, sex and assault scandals with the athletic programs, bad forecasting on growth, inadequate professional development..the list goes on and on and ALL comes back to a complete lack of accountability in the central office over the past 10 years.

MCPS should be split up and the central office planted principals all let go. Let smaller districts hire principals that are interested in teachers and students rather than being bureaucratic butt kissers. Let teachers teach and stop letting unqualified fools in the central curriculum office dictate nonsense. There will NEVER be any real accountability with the size of the school system, level that it has dropped to now, and toxic chokehold of inadequacy prevalent in the central office.

Agree completely. The County is too large. Impossible to implement meaningful change and to meet the needs of the students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You really think you can honestly say that MCPS is better now than it was 20 years ago?

No, its so much worse now. ALL self inflicted. It pisses me off when MCPS tries to blame all their screw ups on poor kids.

There have been a series of very bad decisions and a complete loss of control over poor performing staff in MCPS over the past decade. The curriculum disaster, near constant child and sex abuse scandals involving MCPS staff, harassment, sex and assault scandals with the athletic programs, bad forecasting on growth, inadequate professional development..the list goes on and on and ALL comes back to a complete lack of accountability in the central office over the past 10 years.

MCPS should be split up and the central office planted principals all let go. Let smaller districts hire principals that are interested in teachers and students rather than being bureaucratic butt kissers. Let teachers teach and stop letting unqualified fools in the central curriculum office dictate nonsense. There will NEVER be any real accountability with the size of the school system, level that it has dropped to now, and toxic chokehold of inadequacy prevalent in the central office.

Agree completely. The County is too large. Impossible to implement meaningful change and to meet the needs of the students.

Maryland does education at the county level. Any idea that involves "MCPS should be split up" is an idea that is not going to become reality. If you want to spend your time on ideas that are not going to become reality, that's your choice, of course. But I, personally, would choose to focus on ideas that might actually become reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:True PP

So short-sighted for MoCo to pave over every single open space of land.

People move to MoCo because they want to live in the suburbs. If they wanted an urban environment, they would move to DC.

People in the suburbs hate the parking garages. They hate having to pay for parking. They want green space. They want places for their kids and dogs to run around.

In theory, the developers would stop building if there is no demand, but it hasn’t worked that way. So much of the high density housing isn’t filling up, yet they keep adding more projects.

Anyone trying to sell a condo in Montgomery county understands that there is a huge oversupply of condos.

Judging from DCUM, people moving to MoCo want to live in DC, but can’t afford the desirable neighborhoods. So they choose DTWN SS or Pike and Rose because on the weekend, they can pretend for a few hours that they live in Columbia Heights.

Now THAT is funny and oh so true!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
There would be less complaining about oversevelopment in Montgomery county if it wasn’t so negatively affecting our quality of life. Especially our schools.

You really think you can honestly say that MCPS is better now than it was 20 years ago?

Maybe you are in the acuty if Rocjville and benefit from the better services offered, versus those of us stuck with the County, but your kids are still stuck in MCPS.

The out of control development has led to ridiculously overcrowded schools and has negatively affected education. Responsible development is fine. That is not what has been going on in Montgomery county over the past decade.

Generally I interpret "The schools were better 20 years ago" as meaning "There were fewer poor kids and brown kids in MCPS 20 years ago".

Not the PP but that main issue I see with the school and development is years of overcrowding. Like 30-50% overcrowded and the county doing nothing. Stop building more condos if you don't have schools to put the kids in. Stop saying kids don't live in condos (yes, the board says this!) And don't get me started about this disaster of the 2.0 curriculum. They also raised teacher student rations and took away paraeducators. That is my main issues with why MCPS sucks.

That said, I do think the huge influx of poor illegal immigrants that do not speak English has been a burden onto the schools and resources, in certain areas like Rockville, Derwood, Silver Spring, and Gaithersburg. There is a really bad gang presence here in Gaithersburg now. I wish they would start putting asylum seeking teens in the W schools or up in Poolesville/Damascus.

[Anonymous]

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Not the PP but that main issue I see with the school and development is years of overcrowding. Like 30-50% overcrowded and the county doing nothing. Stop building more condos if you don't have schools to put the kids in. Stop saying kids don't live in condos (yes, the board says this!) And don't get me started about this disaster of the 2.0 curriculum. They also raised teacher student rations and took away paraeducators. That is my main issues with why MCPS sucks.

That said, I do think the huge influx of poor illegal immigrants that do not speak English has been a burden onto the schools and resources, in certain areas like Rockville, Derwood, Silver Spring, and Gaithersburg. There is a really bad gang presence here in Gaithersburg now. I wish they would start putting asylum seeking teens in the W schools or up in Poolesville/Damascus.

When has anybody on the Board of Education said that kids don't live in condos? Could you please provide one specific instance?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Adding better business management and laws, and providing incentives to businesses to come into the county will increase the tax revenue without adding children to the system. Then money can be applied towards additional teachers without accounting for additional students and additional services and supplies for the children already in the system. Additionally, the jobs will also likely bring additional workers to the county many of whom will live in the area and add additional tax income to the county. And when you increase the demand without increasing the supply, property values will go up which translates to higher property taxes and more tax revenue, some of which can be applied towards schools.

So, voting for those who vote against business friendly initiatives, and for more residential housing is directly voting against the best interests of the schools and students.

When you increase the demand for housing without increasing the supply, the cost of housing goes up. You seem to think that this is a good thing. I don't.

Then stop whining about needing more money from the state. Montgomery County has made it's bed and it can lie in it. If there is more money for education in the state it needs to go to the other counties that need the money far more than Montgomery County does. This whole point of this thread is that Montgomery County constantly tries to wheedle more money out of the state. The state has increased educational spending every year (for at least the last 22 years). And frankly, right now, the other jurisdictions need the money far more than Montgomery County does.

The County needs to find the additional money for education from it's own tax income or realign their own budget.