Controversial Opinions: School & Education edition

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Most accelerated kids are garden-variety bright, not gifted.



Is this ever true. I was recently invited in to a fb parents group for "gifted" kids and it is mostly filled with questions from parents with es aged students trying to figure out how to get into the accelerated programs.


In America, most success is from grit, not high IQ. So I'm not sure why you think this is a controversial or an especially keen insight.

American k-12 education is a joke, anyone with SOME motivation can ace all their high school classes. Over 50% of American high school seniors have an A average. All A's and a decent ACT/SAT score gets you into UMD/UVA. Grind a little harder and you're in top 20 private territory.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Most accelerated kids are garden-variety bright, not gifted.



Is this ever true. I was recently invited in to a fb parents group for "gifted" kids and it is mostly filled with questions from parents with es aged students trying to figure out how to get into the accelerated programs.


In America, most success is from grit, not high IQ. So I'm not sure why you think this is a controversial or an especially keen insight.

American k-12 education is a joke, anyone with SOME motivation can ace all their high school classes. Over 50% of American high school seniors have an A average. All A's and a decent ACT/SAT score gets you into UMD/UVA. Grind a little harder and you're in top 20 private territory.


Statistics are not your strong suit, I see.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Most accelerated kids are garden-variety bright, not gifted.



Is this ever true. I was recently invited in to a fb parents group for "gifted" kids and it is mostly filled with questions from parents with es aged students trying to figure out how to get into the accelerated programs.


In America, most success is from grit, not high IQ. So I'm not sure why you think this is a controversial or an especially keen insight.

American k-12 education is a joke, anyone with SOME motivation can ace all their high school classes. Over 50% of American high school seniors have an A average. All A's and a decent ACT/SAT score gets you into UMD/UVA. Grind a little harder and you're in top 20 private territory.


Statistics are not your strong suit, I see.


"More high school teachers are handing out A's...

Recent findings show that the proportion of high school seniors graduating with an A average — that includes an A-minus or A-plus — has grown sharply over the past generation ... to 47%."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/17/easy-a-nearly-half-hs-seniors-graduate-average/485787001/
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Most accelerated kids are garden-variety bright, not gifted.



Is this ever true. I was recently invited in to a fb parents group for "gifted" kids and it is mostly filled with questions from parents with es aged students trying to figure out how to get into the accelerated programs.


In America, most success is from grit, not high IQ. So I'm not sure why you think this is a controversial or an especially keen insight.

American k-12 education is a joke, anyone with SOME motivation can ace all their high school classes. Over 50% of American high school seniors have an A average. All A's and a decent ACT/SAT score gets you into UMD/UVA. Grind a little harder and you're in top 20 private territory.


Statistics are not your strong suit, I see.


"More high school teachers are handing out A's...

Recent findings show that the proportion of high school seniors graduating with an A average — that includes an A-minus or A-plus — has grown sharply over the past generation ... to 47%."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/17/easy-a-nearly-half-hs-seniors-graduate-average/485787001/


More than one-third of the adult population in the United States has a bachelor’s degree or higher marking the first time in decades of data.

“The percentage rose to 33.4 percent in 2016, a significant milestone since the Current Population Survey began collecting educational attainment in 1940,” said Kurt Bauman, Chief of the Education and Social Stratification Branch.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2017/cb17-51.html
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In general, Asians are better at parenting. I am basing this theory on years of experience in the classroom. I've had intelligent and not-so-intelligent Asian students, but ALL of them have been hard working, disciplined, polite kids who never cried, whined, or suffered bouts of inattentive antics in the classroom. I don't think this is due to genetics, but to whatever cultural mores and values these kids' parents instill in them. The parents are demanding of their children, and of the teachers, but they are respectful and don't tolerate nonsense, and their kids are a delight to teach.



Cute post. You like the end result, but the majority of posters here would balk at the idea of parenting the way Asians (and other high performing immigrant groups) do.

I feel like not *that* long ago, many American parents parented this way, too. The more "modern" way of parenting seems to be more permissive. You see many parents being disrespectful of teachers, and just disrespectful of other people in general. It's no wonder that their children are just as bad.

FWIW, my DH is white, from the UK, and is much more old school.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In general, Asians are better at parenting. I am basing this theory on years of experience in the classroom. I've had intelligent and not-so-intelligent Asian students, but ALL of them have been hard working, disciplined, polite kids who never cried, whined, or suffered bouts of inattentive antics in the classroom. I don't think this is due to genetics, but to whatever cultural mores and values these kids' parents instill in them. The parents are demanding of their children, and of the teachers, but they are respectful and don't tolerate nonsense, and their kids are a delight to teach.



Cute post. You like the end result, but the majority of posters here would balk at the idea of parenting the way Asians (and other high performing immigrant groups) do.

Which is?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In general, Asians are better at parenting. I am basing this theory on years of experience in the classroom. I've had intelligent and not-so-intelligent Asian students, but ALL of them have been hard working, disciplined, polite kids who never cried, whined, or suffered bouts of inattentive antics in the classroom. I don't think this is due to genetics, but to whatever cultural mores and values these kids' parents instill in them. The parents are demanding of their children, and of the teachers, but they are respectful and don't tolerate nonsense, and their kids are a delight to teach.



Cute post. You like the end result, but the majority of posters here would balk at the idea of parenting the way Asians (and other high performing immigrant groups) do.

Which is?


I think for old school Asian parenting, the focus isn't the kid's happiness, but rather making sure the child grows up to be a successful, economically-comfortable member of society. With the mind that happiness or contentment would be the byproduct of this successful, comfortable life. So less focus on making the childhood fun and magical, more emphasis on the child getting ready for adulthood.

I am Asian brought up the 'old school' way - I try to strike a balance.
Anonymous
Every new idea in public education is a stat juking scam for:

1) $
2) to take credit for something dubious to pump someone's resume

There's nothing an "idea" can do about kids' low IQs and crappy parents.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In general, Asians are better at parenting. I am basing this theory on years of experience in the classroom. I've had intelligent and not-so-intelligent Asian students, but ALL of them have been hard working, disciplined, polite kids who never cried, whined, or suffered bouts of inattentive antics in the classroom. I don't think this is due to genetics, but to whatever cultural mores and values these kids' parents instill in them. The parents are demanding of their children, and of the teachers, but they are respectful and don't tolerate nonsense, and their kids are a delight to teach.



Cute post. You like the end result, but the majority of posters here would balk at the idea of parenting the way Asians (and other high performing immigrant groups) do.

I feel like not *that* long ago, many American parents parented this way, too. The more "modern" way of parenting seems to be more permissive. You see many parents being disrespectful of teachers, and just disrespectful of other people in general. It's no wonder that their children are just as bad.

FWIW, my DH is white, from the UK, and is much more old school.


+1 we’re not immigrants but I often SMH at the posts I read on the parenting boards here. The pendulum has swung so far that these parents won’t discipline their children. Many are in for some serious trouble as their kids grow older.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Most accelerated kids are garden-variety bright, not gifted.



Is this ever true. I was recently invited in to a fb parents group for "gifted" kids and it is mostly filled with questions from parents with es aged students trying to figure out how to get into the accelerated programs.


In America, most success is from grit, not high IQ. So I'm not sure why you think this is a controversial or an especially keen insight.

American k-12 education is a joke, anyone with SOME motivation can ace all their high school classes. Over 50% of American high school seniors have an A average. All A's and a decent ACT/SAT score gets you into UMD/UVA. Grind a little harder and you're in top 20 private territory.


Statistics are not your strong suit, I see.


"More high school teachers are handing out A's...

Recent findings show that the proportion of high school seniors graduating with an A average — that includes an A-minus or A-plus — has grown sharply over the past generation ... to 47%."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/17/easy-a-nearly-half-hs-seniors-graduate-average/485787001/

I found this part really interesting:
"Actually, they said, the upward creep is most pronounced in schools with large numbers of white, wealthy students. And its especially noticeable in private schools, where the rate of inflation was about three times higher than in public schools."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In general, Asians are better at parenting. I am basing this theory on years of experience in the classroom. I've had intelligent and not-so-intelligent Asian students, but ALL of them have been hard working, disciplined, polite kids who never cried, whined, or suffered bouts of inattentive antics in the classroom. I don't think this is due to genetics, but to whatever cultural mores and values these kids' parents instill in them. The parents are demanding of their children, and of the teachers, but they are respectful and don't tolerate nonsense, and their kids are a delight to teach.



Cute post. You like the end result, but the majority of posters here would balk at the idea of parenting the way Asians (and other high performing immigrant groups) do.

I feel like not *that* long ago, many American parents parented this way, too. The more "modern" way of parenting seems to be more permissive. You see many parents being disrespectful of teachers, and just disrespectful of other people in general. It's no wonder that their children are just as bad.

FWIW, my DH is white, from the UK, and is much more old school.


It amazes me how many parents make excuses for their child or put the issue back onto the teachers when we contact them regarding misbehaving students. Turn back the clock ten years and I would have never had the number of rude, disrespectful, defiant students that I have today. I’m not talking about being a little chatty or off task. We are seeing behaviors that majorly disrupt instruction with few if any consequences for the disruptive students. Contacting the parents only makes things worse.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Most accelerated kids are garden-variety bright, not gifted.



Is this ever true. I was recently invited in to a fb parents group for "gifted" kids and it is mostly filled with questions from parents with es aged students trying to figure out how to get into the accelerated programs.


In America, most success is from grit, not high IQ. So I'm not sure why you think this is a controversial or an especially keen insight.

American k-12 education is a joke, anyone with SOME motivation can ace all their high school classes. Over 50% of American high school seniors have an A average. All A's and a decent ACT/SAT score gets you into UMD/UVA. Grind a little harder and you're in top 20 private territory.


Statistics are not your strong suit, I see.


"More high school teachers are handing out A's...

Recent findings show that the proportion of high school seniors graduating with an A average — that includes an A-minus or A-plus — has grown sharply over the past generation ... to 47%."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/17/easy-a-nearly-half-hs-seniors-graduate-average/485787001/

I found this part really interesting:
"Actually, they said, the upward creep is most pronounced in schools with large numbers of white, wealthy students. And its especially noticeable in private schools, where the rate of inflation was about three times higher than in public schools."


Ooooooh yeah. This is the pp who posted about the uncertified/choose-your-own-adventure teachers in private schools. Grade inflation—at least at my school—is DRAMATIC. A huge chunk of the reason (among many others) is parents reaching out (at best) or lashing out (at worst) to teachers about their child’s grades. I teach senior English, and I can’t tell you how many parents try to argue about their child’s grade when, for example, their child didn’t read the summer reading. It’s bananas!

So the path or least resistance for a lot of teachers is to give students/parents what they want: an A (without doing the actual work to earn it).
Anonymous
I do not believe in letting 17 year old kids pick fluff majors. College is to work hard and get an education. Parents should keep up with economic and career trends and be responsible and guide their kids into successful careers.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A significant percentage of kids who go to academically rigorous/high pressure high schools struggle in college because they are already burned out and they have been overtrained and struggle to approach ideas/problems/projects creatively.

Being bilingual or multilingual and comfortable in multiracial/ethnic environments will be a key factor in the success of our kids.


First part is patently false.


It only looks false because the parents have got them on medication

Anonymous
Basically the article linked below. The author states:
“Kids today are in a devastating emotional state! Most come to school emotionally unavailable for learning. There are many factors in our modern lifestyle that contribute to this.” ~V.P.


Some parts of the piece:
We have the best intentions — to make our child happy — but unfortunately, we make them happy at the moment but miserable in the long term. To be able to delay gratification means to be able to function under stress. Our children are gradually becoming less equipped to deal with even minor stressors, which eventually become huge obstacles to their success in life.

The inability to delay gratification is often seen in classrooms, malls, restaurants, and toy stores the moment the child hears “No” because parents have taught their child’s brain to get what it wants right away.




“My son doesn’t like vegetables.” “She doesn’t like going to bed early.” “He doesn’t like to eat breakfast.” “She doesn’t like toys, but she is very good at her iPad” “He doesn’t want to get dressed on his own.” “She is too lazy to eat on her own.” This is what I hear from parents all the time. Since when do children dictate to us how to parent them? If we leave it all up to them, all they are going to do is eat macaroni and cheese and bagels with cream cheese, watch TV, play on their tablets, and never go to bed.

https://deeprootsathome.com/kids-friendless-bored-impatient/?fbclid=IwAR1jOk9P4FRpMkEiksKqcNp7V760KDRCQ3oLIE-USkJzwjrwrbu_T5f64kE


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