Controversial Opinions: School & Education edition

[Anonymous]

Successful white people from UMC backgrounds just worked a lot harder to get where they are.

[Anonymous]

This is a forum for Controversial Opinions on Schools and Education. Can people stay on topic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of the biggest problems with education is that many (not all, but many) teachers are so ignorant that they aren't capable of teaching or learning.

You’re hilarious! You wouldn’t last 20 minutes in my 2nd grade classroom. Enjoy your day, sunshine!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Achievement gaps will only ever be eliminated by changes in homes and society in general. Attempting to correct them in the schools is too little, too late.

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Parents are the ones who set the tone for how much the child will value education and put forth effort.

-10000
Idiot, The achievement gap is not singularly an indication of parental educational values. I guess you're dumb behind doesn't realize how many factors in families and in societies affect the achievement gap .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Achievement gaps will only ever be eliminated by changes in homes and society in general. Attempting to correct them in the schools is too little, too late.

+1

+2

Parents are the ones who set the tone for how much the child will value education and put forth effort.

-10000
Idiot, The achievement gap is not singularly an indication of parental educational values. I guess you're dumb behind doesn't realize how many factors in families and in societies affect the achievement gap .

Then what is it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Achievement gaps will only ever be eliminated by changes in homes and society in general. Attempting to correct them in the schools is too little, too late.

+1

+2

Parents are the ones who set the tone for how much the child will value education and put forth effort.

-10000
Idiot, The achievement gap is not singularly an indication of parental educational values. I guess you're dumb behind doesn't realize how many factors in families and in societies affect the achievement gap .

Then what is it?

A lot of things.
You are going to tell me that their so-called achievement gap is solely because there's a whole bunch of people who don't value education ?
Oh my God you are past ignorant .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a Virginia teacher. We are only allowed to suggest that parents consult their pediatrician. We are not allowed to make any kind of determination regarding these things.

More often, from my experience, it is the parents who want the label and the meds, and usually it’s the case that they feel guilty for working too much and not being around their own kid enough to know what’s normal.

At the risk of being flamed, which I certainly will be, we didn’t have these issues when SAHM was the norm.

Back in the day when less than 10% of men and 5% of women graduated from college? These are the days you want to go back to?

Oh, yeah. We push waaaay too many kids into college who have absolutely no business attending college.

-NP

[Anonymous]

I agree PP. I teach ES and we are supposed to make sure everyone is college ready. Okay, fine but by midway through high school, I think we need to be realistic about the students who probably will not be successful in college. Right now, we push everyone into it and so many of them end up in remedial classes. They waste money they don't have and are on the hook for the loans they took out. There needs to be more opportunities for other career paths that don't require 4 years of college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Achievement gaps will only ever be eliminated by changes in homes and society in general. Attempting to correct them in the schools is too little, too late.

+1

+2

Parents are the ones who set the tone for how much the child will value education and put forth effort.

-10000
Idiot, The achievement gap is not singularly an indication of parental educational values. I guess you're dumb behind doesn't realize how many factors in families and in societies affect the achievement gap .

Then what is it?

A lot of things.
You are going to tell me that their so-called achievement gap is solely because there's a whole bunch of people who don't value education ?
Oh my God you are past ignorant .

Uh huh.... so what are those things?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Direct instruction is better than experiential learning, since it's better taught.

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- a teacher

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Direct instruction is better at getting students to perform on assessments directly related to the direct instruction. Good experiential learning helps students to integrate learning and apply it in new settings and actually remember and use what they learned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Direct instruction is better than experiential learning, since it's better taught.

+1000

- a teacher

-1000
Direct instruction is better at getting students to perform on assessments directly related to the direct instruction. Good experiential learning helps students to integrate learning and apply it in new settings and actually remember and use what they learned.

Not if they haven't actually learned anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Direct instruction is better than experiential learning, since it's better taught.

+1000

- a teacher

-1000
Direct instruction is better at getting students to perform on assessments directly related to the direct instruction. Good experiential learning helps students to integrate learning and apply it in new settings and actually remember and use what they learned.

Not if they haven't actually learned anything.

Sample experiential learning for simple circuits: Build a motorized car model and describe how it works. They can make a circuit that works and include a switch that turns in on and off. Advanced kids can figure out how to make speed increases and decreases. They learn some extra things about aerodynamics and friction and design that aren't targeted directly. They have ideas for what else they can use circuits. They can describe how circuits work and create a diagram that shows what they learned.

Sample direct instruction on circuit: They learn vocabulary words like simple circuit, parallel circuit, electron. They are shown a diagram and are tested on the diagram later. They match vocabulary words with definitions.

Which do you think is likely to help a kid become an engineer?
If experiential learning is done crappily, insist on better supports not switch to direct instruction to a meaningless test. Direct instruction has its places for sure, but it's overused and not tested against whether the kids learn anything that matters in the world and is geared towards kids who are highly invested in pleasing their teacher so teachers like it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Achievement gaps will only ever be eliminated by changes in homes and society in general. Attempting to correct them in the schools is too little, too late.

+1

+2

Parents are the ones who set the tone for how much the child will value education and put forth effort.

-10000
Idiot, The achievement gap is not singularly an indication of parental educational values. I guess you're dumb behind doesn't realize how many factors in families and in societies affect the achievement gap .

Then what is it?

A lot of things.
You are going to tell me that their so-called achievement gap is solely because there's a whole bunch of people who don't value education ?
Oh my God you are past ignorant .

NP, then what else.is there? I agree completely that parents set the tone. I grew up in poverty and my parents. who did.not speak English and worked 7 days a week still made sure my homework was.done. When I struggled they made time to communicate with the school to get the help I needed. it was beyond difficult for them but it was important and dis what they can to make sure I graduated. There is so much help provided today that did not exist when I was a child that it baffles me that anyone has excuses for not completing homework or studying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of the biggest problems with education is that many (not all, but many) teachers are so ignorant that they aren't capable of teaching or learning.

It is an unpopular opinion, but I agree with this. There are so exceptions, but the top academic kids do NOT go into teaching. They go into different professions. The adage still holds true, those who cannot do, teach. Teachers are definitely more patient than I could ever be, but that doesn’t make them mental powerhouses. You have to be creative, patient, and lack the ability to smell to be a teacher, but you do not ha e to be good at school to teach second grade. So English or physics? Yes, but elementary school teachers are (still) mostly just women who are too poor to be stay at home moms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a Virginia teacher. We are only allowed to suggest that parents consult their pediatrician. We are not allowed to make any kind of determination regarding these things.

More often, from my experience, it is the parents who want the label and the meds, and usually it’s the case that they feel guilty for working too much and not being around their own kid enough to know what’s normal.

At the risk of being flamed, which I certainly will be, we didn’t have these issues when SAHM was the norm.

Back in the day when less than 10% of men and 5% of women graduated from college? These are the days you want to go back to?

Oh, yeah. We push waaaay too many kids into college who have absolutely no business attending college.

-NP

True that too many go onto college and then quit, but it wasn't like the SAH parents back in the day were graduating stellar students in behavior or grades. We've made huge inroads in both areas and I wouldn't want to go back. Less kids need to go to college now, but more than 10% do.