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Anonymous
| Riiight. And you took a potshot at my possible logic scores on some standardized test. Who's pompous exactly? |
Anonymous
You need to look up the definition of pompous. And I'm not even the poster you are referring to. As I stated in in 20:50, I am not the PP you are referring to. I guess your lance hit the wrong target there, DQ. You are starting to earn your moniker. |
Anonymous
| How would I know who "I" is? I am referring to the person who took a swipe at my purported logic scores which began my rather tongue in cheek literary responses (hard to believe you actually devoted that much time to the tongue in cheek part, versus whether you think Obama's admin is in the right or wrong with their "WAR ON Fox" . Grow a funny bone or respond to the point. One or the other... |
Anonymous
You'd know it was not the person you were exchanging messages with, because the first thing I said in the "pompous" email is "Not the PP". You don't know me, you just know that I am not him or her. I didn't say anything about your logic scores, although I can make some pretty decent inferences after your last few posts. As for time, my response to you was practically stream of consciousness, dear. But if you want to discuss the president, you have to cut the quips and put some substance in yourself before you get any in return. |
Anonymous
| With all this confusion about who made which reply to whom, I wonder whether Jeff would intercede and clear things up if one of us gets so confused she gets into an argument with herself. |
Anonymous
Hopefully, even DQ would recognize her own reflection in a mirror. |
Anonymous
DQ? Wouldn't not recognizing yourself in a photograph be a better analogy? Sometimes I don't even recognize Rush Limbaugh! (To connect to our supposed topic.) |
Anonymous
| Don Quixote. |
Anonymous
Since it was "her reflection", perhaps Dona Quixote? |
Anonymous
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I'll clear up the confusion. You jumped in after I responded to RL ( Resident Logician). Feel free to respond to what I actually said. Here, I'll make it easy for you...it's below. Resident Logician jumped all over the Chavez illusion, despite the fact that I said "Reminds me of; maybe not in the extreme". He declared it illogical of me to be reminded of another current public figure with a declared War on the Media when a "War on Fox' is being discussed here. So respond to that. And please don't ask Jsteele to jump in on who said what when, though that is funny enough. When he starts calling out the people only he sees, reminds me of Big Brother. Never mind.
:The "War on Fox" is starting to bum me out; reminds me of Hugo Chavez. Maybe not the extreme, but the shutting out is silencing. What is he scared of? Please. Shutting out media from the pool etc. is not a good road to go down. |
Anonymous
I agree that the White House is letting their frustration get to them. But your analogies are too far out there. You are saying that the difference between Chavez and Obama is a matter of degree. But refusing a live interview, or not inviting someone to a minor press conference is not censorship. Shutting down opposition TV stations is. Fox continues to broadcast whatever it wants. In Venezuela, there is one station that can't even throw up a test pattern. |
Anonymous
| Great; thanks for responding to what I actually said. I personally think the White House's recent behavior invites the comparison--even on an "Isn't it ironic level...". You don't. We can agree to disagree then. |
Anonymous
I responded to lots of things you said. When you debate in analogies, it is fair to attack the validity of the analogies. But when you say "agree to disagree", do you believe that the White House's actions constitute censorship? My point is that disinterest in granting an interview is a substantially different thing from censorship itself. For example, take Sarah Palin during the 2008 election. After she was chosen, the McCain campaign severely restricted access to her. At a time when Joe Biden was doing regular rounds of local and national press, she did not do a single press conference in at least the first month of her short candidacy and only a handful of interviews. She spoke to ABC (Gibson), CBS (Katie Couric), and Fox (Sean Hannity). There was no interview for NBC (too liberal), or CNN, or MSNBC. Nor did she do interviews with any newspapers or magazines, to my knowledge. To give a point of comparison here, Joe Biden did around ninety interviews in that same month. Speaking of inviting comparisons, she had her own press pool situation. When the campaign wanted publicity for a meeting between Palin and Hamid Karzai, the news organizations said they would boycott unless someone was let in to the event. One organization representing the pool was allowed in - for 29 seconds. The campaign always promised a full press conference, but I'm pretty sure her it didn't happen until until November 13, long after she was defeated. Now what she did was IMO bad strategy, poor form, and very unfair to a public. We were, after all, being asked to vote for a person we barely knew, who would not open herself up to questions except under the most limited circumstances. But that said, her actions did not constitute censorship. Neither did Obama's. But Chavez, well he shut down a station he didn't like. That is censorship. |
Anonymous
| And President Obama shut out a station he didn't like that has one of the highest viewerships of the cable networks. When you are president of the whole nation, and knock folks out of the 'pool' ( which is the incident I was reacting to) then yes I think it is wrong. |
Anonymous
1. You aren't responding to what I wrote. I agree that it is poor form, but I assert that it is not censorship, and therefore it is qualitatively different from what Chavez has done. 2. You act as though Obama shut Fox out. No, a little departmental peon briefly tried and failed to bump Fox from a minor press event. Fox has been covering the white house. They have credentials. They are in the pool. They are there for every press conference. 3. You act as though this behavior is unusual. Yet George W. Bush never gave an interview in eight years of office to the New York Times, which is has been the paper of record for national news and is our largest metropolitan newspaper. Are you outraged at that? Because Obama has already been on Fox. And even out of office, Bush has never granted an interview to NYT. |