Why are our schools left vulnerable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Criminals don't care about gun regulations.

PROTECT the school kids!!

Your falling on deaf ears.

Let them get their legislation and maybe after that when the next mass murder event at a school occurs they'll wake up to that reality and push for measures that make kids safer at school.

Np. I feel the same way. If guns were banned I still would not feel safe because I know that if a person is deranged as so many are in the US they will find other ways to kill large amounts of people if they really want to and have no doubt we would see massacres happen in the way of bombs, by guns bought in a black market, or people mowed down like in Europe.

Listen I'm all for reasonable legislative moves. But people have to be willing to deal with our reality. This issue is far beyond what a few laws can fix. Maybe in a generation or two we can move away from heavily guarding schools, but right now that's what we need to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Listen I'm all for reasonable legislative moves. But people have to be willing to deal with our reality. This issue is far beyond what a few laws can fix. Maybe in a generation or two we can move away from heavily guarding schools, but right now that's what we need to do.

"Reasonable legislative moves," like what?

More to the point, if you're all for reasonable legislative moves, then SUPPORT THOSE REASONABLE LEGISLATIVE MOVES. Don't say, "Well, I'm all for reasonable legislative moves, but what we really need to focus on right now is turning our schools into fortress prisons."

[Anonymous]

So Ban AR-15s and assault style weapons and bumper stocks. Universal background checks and holding periods. Age limits. You said you had no problem with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is insane. The answer is getting rid of Republicans and extraordinarily tighter gun control.

I could not have more contempt for the vile OP here who pretends the answer is “knowing” why Cruz fel @sad,” and OP’s generosity in offering done restrictions onAR-15s. Can we ignore him forever?

Amen! Full ban and confiscate assault rifles. Period. End of story.

Do you really want to set the precedent that the government can commission officer to come into your home and take whatever they deem to dangerous for you to have? In our quest for change lets not do things that will harm us in the future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So Ban AR-15s and assault style weapons and bumper stocks. Universal background checks and holding periods. Age limits. You said you had no problem with it.

How do we stop the killer who already has an assault rifle?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Ban AR-15s and assault style weapons and bumper stocks. Universal background checks and holding periods. Age limits. You said you had no problem with it.

How do we stop the killer who already has an assault rifle?

"But some people already have assault weapons!" is not a good argument against a ban on assault weapons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Ban AR-15s and assault style weapons and bumper stocks. Universal background checks and holding periods. Age limits. You said you had no problem with it.

How do we stop the killer who already has an assault rifle?

Impose tough restrictions on buying bullets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is insane. The answer is getting rid of Republicans and extraordinarily tighter gun control.

I could not have more contempt for the vile OP here who pretends the answer is “knowing” why Cruz fel @sad,” and OP’s generosity in offering done restrictions onAR-15s. Can we ignore him forever?

Amen! Full ban and confiscate assault rifles. Period. End of story.

Do you really want to set the precedent that the government can commission officer to come into your home and take whatever they deem to dangerous for you to have? In our quest for change lets not do things that will harm us in the future.

When Australia banned them, what did Australia do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Listen I'm all for reasonable legislative moves. But people have to be willing to deal with our reality. This issue is far beyond what a few laws can fix. Maybe in a generation or two we can move away from heavily guarding schools, but right now that's what we need to do.

"Reasonable legislative moves," like what?

More to the point, if you're all for reasonable legislative moves, then SUPPORT THOSE REASONABLE LEGISLATIVE MOVES. Don't say, "Well, I'm all for reasonable legislative moves, but what we really need to focus on right now is turning our schools into fortress prisons."

I have and continue to support legislation.

Reasonable laws such as:
Banning assault weapons
Prohibiting mentally ill and those with a history of violence from owning guns
Extensive background checks and training with frequent rechecks and retraining for gun owners.
Limiting how guns can be purchased ie no gunshows, online at Walmarts etc.
Heavy fines or prison time for those who do not act on credible tips.

Not Reasonable:
We should go into every house and just take all the guns.


New laws are great, but we need to prepare for the people who fall through the cracks and the people who won't be impacted by new laws because they already have their assault weapons and somebody has already ignored the tips on them and they are just waiting for the special day they picked to roll up on a school. I want to do everything possible to protect my loved ones who are students and staff and schools if that means we need several armed guards, airport style security and metal detectors for the next decade while we deal with the other issues that contribute to the murder issue in America so be it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Ban AR-15s and assault style weapons and bumper stocks. Universal background checks and holding periods. Age limits. You said you had no problem with it.

How do we stop the killer who already has an assault rifle?

Impose tough restrictions on buying bullets.

They have the bullets and they have the gun. How are you going to stop them from entering your kids school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know, OP. By your standards, schools in European countries, China, Japan, or Australia are very vulnerable. Yet this does not happen. Gee, I wonder why?

First off I think we need to stop comparing ourselves to Europe, China, Japan and Australia. Our situation is not like that we're more like Israel with our kids living in a warzone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know, OP. By your standards, schools in European countries, China, Japan, or Australia are very vulnerable. Yet this does not happen. Gee, I wonder why?

The Swiss have laws similar to us, their gun death rate is higher than other areas of Europe, but far lower than ours and they don't have mass shootings. What's wrong with Americans?

This issue is much deeper than banning certain guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After 9/11 we understood that fortifying our country was bowing to people who want to take away our freedom. We said "then the terrorists win".

We do not need to lock down all public places. And we can't prevent every troubled young adult from getting a gun, because the 2nd Amendment doesn't allow us to deprive anyone's rights because they are assholes.

But we can eliminate the gun that allows an amateur to kill twenty to fifty people.

So airport travel is exactly how it was pre 9/11?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know, OP. By your standards, schools in European countries, China, Japan, or Australia are very vulnerable. Yet this does not happen. Gee, I wonder why?

The Swiss have laws similar to us, their gun death rate is higher than other areas of Europe, but far lower than ours and they don't have mass shootings. What's wrong with Americans?

This issue is much deeper than banning certain guns.

No, they don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let me start out by saying I would have no problem banning AR-15s. Let me also say that I don't think it's the solution liberals think it is.

What I see here is similar to what I saw in the church shooting - that government failed to stop these individuals from getting a weapon in the first place. Cruz was known to both the school and to the FBI. He stated he wanted to shoot up a school. That clearly wasn't an alarm bell to FBI. See something, say something, failed.

We can argue gun control until we are blue in the face. What I'm after in this thread, is the where the security failures are at the LOCAL level and what can be done to prevent future attacks.

We saw with Lanza, he failed to legally procure a gun. He tried. The system worked. Instead he killed his mother, and took hers. She failed to see the danger. He then had to shoot off a lock (from what I understand) to gain entry to the school. There was no officer at the door to stop him - to even give him pause. By the time officers DID get there, children were massacred. Sitting ducks so to speak.

Cruz waltzed right into the school, despite what the school is calling 'tight security'. Unless the officer on premise was killed at the only point of entry (per the superintendent), we can assume the officer was not at that point of entry. The football coach who was deemed security, was left unarmed and protected kids with his own body, and subsequently his life.

I know of a lot of veterans who would like to volunteer their time to help guard those entries. I know of a lot of teachers who either are already trained - or would like to train - to carry concealed within the schools. Instead, there is shouting about disarming these law-abiding citizens. I maintain we just SAW what happened to a disarmed population (gun-free zone).

Please tell me logical reasons as to why we cannot, on a local level, move to protect our schools.

The answer is American hubris.

We have a really hard time admitting when we have a problem. We are obsessed with the way things look We like to do quick fixes, band-aids on arterial bleeds if you will and say the problem is solved.
Changing the way security is handled at our schools would be admitting we have a really big problem.
Huge reforms in school security would look bad.
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