Why are our schools left vulnerable?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, there was security and police present every day at this school in Florida, including on Wednesday. It didn't do squat.

Why not? That's the question I'm asking. What went wrong? Was the officer shot dead?

This happened as the school day was letting out. Remember that this shooter had gone to the school and would well know any security weakness.

My son's high school is locked down. One way in. But in the one or two minutes before school lets out, the doors are unlocked. The high school after school is open for clubs, athletic activities, etc.

I have a good friend whose son graduated from this school a few years ago. You have to show a DL to get in, she said, and they scan it and give you an ID.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parkland-shooting-florida-douglas-stoneman-active-shooter-training/

All entrances at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School are locked during the school day. They reopen when students leave and that's when police say the suspected gunman set off a fire alarm and opened fire.


School drills are common nationwide to prepare for active shooter situations. Teachers at Stoneman Douglas received training on what to do in the event of such an emergency. But while some students report going through an active shooter drill at the school, others received less training.

"We did have meetings with our teachers about where we need to go, what we should do in these situations but we never had an active shooter drill," said Stoneman Douglas student David Hogg.

A lockdown was effective in keeping a shooter out of a California school last year because officials had advance notice he was approaching. The same plan in Florida Wednesday turned chaotic because there was no such notice and the accused shooter set off a fire alarm, sending students rushing out of their classrooms when the gunman was already on campus.

[Anonymous]

This thread is insane. The answer is getting rid of Republicans and extraordinarily tighter gun control.

I could not have more contempt for the vile OP here who pretends the answer is “knowing” why Cruz fel @sad,” and OP’s generosity in offering done restrictions onAR-15s. Can we ignore him forever?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let me start out by saying I would have no problem banning AR-15s. Let me also say that I don't think it's the solution liberals think it is.

What I see here is similar to what I saw in the church shooting - that government failed to stop these individuals from getting a weapon in the first place. Cruz was known to both the school and to the FBI. He stated he wanted to shoot up a school. That clearly wasn't an alarm bell to FBI. See something, say something, failed.

We can argue gun control until we are blue in the face. What I'm after in this thread, is the where the security failures are at the LOCAL level and what can be done to prevent future attacks.

We saw with Lanza, he failed to legally procure a gun. He tried. The system worked. Instead he killed his mother, and took hers. She failed to see the danger. He then had to shoot off a lock (from what I understand) to gain entry to the school. There was no officer at the door to stop him - to even give him pause. By the time officers DID get there, children were massacred. Sitting ducks so to speak.

Cruz waltzed right into the school, despite what the school is calling 'tight security'. Unless the officer on premise was killed at the only point of entry (per the superintendent), we can assume the officer was not at that point of entry. The football coach who was deemed security, was left unarmed and protected kids with his own body, and subsequently his life.

I know of a lot of veterans who would like to volunteer their time to help guard those entries. I know of a lot of teachers who either are already trained - or would like to train - to carry concealed within the schools. Instead, there is shouting about disarming these law-abiding citizens. I maintain we just SAW what happened to a disarmed population (gun-free zone).

Please tell me logical reasons as to why we cannot, on a local level, move to protect our schools.

DH is a LEO and he thinks that this is the dumbest idea ever. Knowing how to use a gun is one thing - knowing how to use a gun in a crisis is a completely different notion. Consider this, a teacher's priority is to keep kids safe so they can be evacuated safely. So...a teacher (who may be near her students) fires at the gunman. Gunman fires back. So all this teacher has done is draw fire towards her and her students. Seems less than ideal. Ok. Consider a team of first responders shows up and multiple people in the school are brandishing guns and possibly firing. LEO has no idea who is who and you have a bunch of kids in the middle.

You want to have limited points of entry? Fine. Metal detectors at those points of entry (a lot of schools have them)? Cool. A closed campus? Ok. You want to have armed police officers in every school (a lot of schools have that)? Might work. But it is an awful idea to bring civilians with guns or concealed weapons into the school environment.

We've heard a lot from your DH LEO. We've seen how some civilians have used guns in crisis already to great positive end. In addition, veterans have been trained for crisis situations.

If the teacher is hiding in the closet with the kids (talk about dumb - closet is opened and you have a bunch of literal sitting ducks), you have a point. The teacher will NOT be in the closet with the kids - the teacher will be in defensive position.

So you really think there will be a bunch of teachers randomly firing in the hallways? How does your husband communicate with his fellow officers?

Sigh...you really should stop thinking that video game tactics will work in the real world.

Right...and many veterans have PTSD too. If we cannot afford to pay for more LEO's to be in the schools, then it is a bad idea.

And you are expecting teachers with limited or no training in crisis tactics, in a panic situation with terrified kids, to have the composure and poise to coordinate a response?

Sure, but there is reason that most LEOs think this is a dumb idea. Clearly you know more than they do.

Excuses and stupidity. Speaking of stupid behavior, pick most LEOs in DC....

Do you lock your doors? Windows?

Right...

Read my earlier response. I listed things that might work in keeping schools safe. But let me double down on one thing - putting guns in civilian hands inside a school environment is a bad idea.

Sure we do. We have cameras and a security system too. But we do not give everyone in the house a weapon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's turn schools into fortresses, and the people with guns will shoot up

churches
movie theaters
shopping malls
college campuses
parades

This is much bigger than fortifying schools. We need a safer community, a safer country.

Our country is too open and too diverse to be safe. We are not a tiny nation state on an island. At this point, we're barely governable. I have no idea how most streets around the nation manage to remain peaceful. Thanks to overabundance of cheap food, we're too fat and lazy to cause much harm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is insane. The answer is getting rid of Republicans and extraordinarily tighter gun control.

I could not have more contempt for the vile OP here who pretends the answer is “knowing” why Cruz fel @sad,” and OP’s generosity in offering done restrictions onAR-15s. Can we ignore him forever?

Seriously? You actually WANT one party rule? OMG, the idiocy knows no bounds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's turn schools into fortresses, and the people with guns will shoot up

churches
movie theaters
shopping malls
college campuses
parades

This is much bigger than fortifying schools. We need a safer community, a safer country.

Our country is too open and too diverse to be safe. We are not a tiny nation state on an island. At this point, we're barely governable. I have no idea how most streets around the nation manage to remain peaceful. Thanks to overabundance of cheap food, we're too fat and lazy to cause much harm.

Too diverse? But only white guys seem to do this stuff.

[Anonymous]

Fortify America so some “gun enthusiasts” can play army soldier or take eight shots at a deer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's turn schools into fortresses, and the people with guns will shoot up

churches
movie theaters
shopping malls
college campuses
parades

This is much bigger than fortifying schools. We need a safer community, a safer country.

Our country is too open and too diverse to be safe. We are not a tiny nation state on an island. At this point, we're barely governable. I have no idea how most streets around the nation manage to remain peaceful. Thanks to overabundance of cheap food, we're too fat and lazy to cause much harm.

Too diverse? But only white guys seem to do this stuff.

Can you at least try using your brain? Diversity includes more aspects than color. For instance, it includes having to talk with morons like you on a regular basis. Please go away.

[Anonymous]

You have no answer. I know you’re just a worthless troll. Enjoy advocating for the untrammeled murder of slaughtered school kids!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is insane. The answer is getting rid of Republicans and extraordinarily tighter gun control.

I could not have more contempt for the vile OP here who pretends the answer is “knowing” why Cruz fel @sad,” and OP’s generosity in offering done restrictions onAR-15s. Can we ignore him forever?

Amen! Full ban and confiscate assault rifles. Period. End of story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sadly, there was security and police present every day at this school in Florida, including on Wednesday. It didn't do squat.

Why not? That's the question I'm asking. What went wrong? Was the officer shot dead?

This happened as the school day was letting out. Remember that this shooter had gone to the school and would well know any security weakness.

My son's high school is locked down. One way in. But in the one or two minutes before school lets out, the doors are unlocked. The high school after school is open for clubs, athletic activities, etc.

I have a good friend whose son graduated from this school a few years ago. You have to show a DL to get in, she said, and they scan it and give you an ID.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parkland-shooting-florida-douglas-stoneman-active-shooter-training/

All entrances at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School are locked during the school day. They reopen when students leave and that's when police say the suspected gunman set off a fire alarm and opened fire.


School drills are common nationwide to prepare for active shooter situations. Teachers at Stoneman Douglas received training on what to do in the event of such an emergency. But while some students report going through an active shooter drill at the school, others received less training.

"We did have meetings with our teachers about where we need to go, what we should do in these situations but we never had an active shooter drill," said Stoneman Douglas student David Hogg.

A lockdown was effective in keeping a shooter out of a California school last year because officials had advance notice he was approaching. The same plan in Florida Wednesday turned chaotic because there was no such notice and the accused shooter set off a fire alarm, sending students rushing out of their classrooms when the gunman was already on campus.

You just identified the problems in your post. Solutions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You have no answer. I know you’re just a worthless troll. Enjoy advocating for the untrammeled murder of slaughtered school kids!

That’s a useful post

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You have no answer. I know you’re just a worthless troll. Enjoy advocating for the untrammeled murder of slaughtered school kids!

That’s a useful post

You post nothing. Troll, answer: buybacks, bans, and flipping the House.’ That’s the answer. What’s your answer? You have nothing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Military grade weapons, high capacity magazines and the easy availability of accessing firearms is the problem. Schools are often huge and if there were the money to have armed guards, you would basically have to have Secret Service-type protection for every child.

We also have had mass shootings at movie theaters and college campuses. High capacity clips are the one thing all these shootings had in common.

Haven’t the majority of shooters been millennials?
I know there are a few exceptions, but don’t we need to look at this generation of kids?

Yea, let's blame the kids and not the adults in charge of the laws.

It is the kids who are doing the shooting. You think that these kids, hellbent on creating death and destruction, are going to be deterred by laws?
There are laws against killing, but they don’t seem to abide by those.
We need to start asking ourselves why so many teens and young adults feel the need to react in these ways.

What about making mental health screenings and mental health classes yearly requirements for high school students to graduate. Maybe we can try to help these troubled kids and catch things early. I’m not saying that the guns are not the problem. I still believe we need A massive overhaul on gun legislation. I’m just adding that guns don’t go off by themselves—-somebody pulls the trigger.

[Anonymous]

The truth is that there is only one solution to the problem of school shootings: homeschool.

Although not putting boys on psychotropic medications would probably help.