Is buying your teen daughter one of these a parenting status symbol?

[Anonymous]

Very unsafe car. DS wanted one when he turned 16 last year, but we bought a much larger car with a top IIHS Safety rating for him instead. He was thrilled.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone buying this for their teens are making following statements:

"I am desperate for approval"
"Screw the environment"
"I am too clueless to realize this is tacky"

Which private school are we trolling here and why? Why are you jealous, OP?
Someone's kid got into a better college than your kid? Seems pretty mean.

Prius owner:
"I'm kinda poor and am desperate for approval"
"I am too clueless to realize this is tacky"

Tesla owner:
"I'm kinda rich and am desperate for approval"
"I am too clueless to realize this is tacky"

LOL, I don't even have a teenager. Just a young tween who is not of driving age or college admissions age. OP asked if you would buy one of these as a parenting status symbol, and I gave the reasons I would not. Sorry, but I think they are tacky. You can make much better arguments for the Prius or even the Tesla for a teenager, the most obvious one being the environmental reasons. I can think of NO sound reason you'd want an huge, environmentally unfriendly death trap for your teen unless you are desperate and tacky. Feel free to disagree, but someone asked, and I answered.

[Anonymous]

What makes these unsafe? Roll over risk or poor crash rating?

[Anonymous]

They are not terrible safety ratings and they do not distinguish between the 2 and 4 door. One test had the doors off, so it failed that test. The 2018 are getting a lot more safety features in it. They aren't environmentally unfriendly. They get the same gas milage as other SUV's and some cars.

[Anonymous]

Here are some ratings: https://www.autoblog.com/buy/2017-Jeep-Wrangler/

[Anonymous]

Probably better to get her one of these



or maybe one of these

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They’re one of the only cars that retain value.

They are overpriced and get crummy safety ratings.

They retain value.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are not terrible safety ratings and they do not distinguish between the 2 and 4 door. One test had the doors off, so it failed that test. The 2018 are getting a lot more safety features in it. They aren't environmentally unfriendly. They get the same gas milage as other SUV's and some cars.

The safety ratings are pretty dismal: "Safety has some weak spots.The NHTSA gave the top-heavy Wrangler only three stars out of five for rollover resistance, while the IIHS gave the two-door Wrangler a Poor in side impact.Other IIHS scores were better, as both the two-door and four-door earned the top “Good” rating for moderate frontal impact, and Marginal in the difficult small overlap frontal test, while the four-door Wrangler Unlimited got a better Marginal rating in side impact.

The only standard airbags are the mandated dual front bags, while side-impact front bags are optional; we can't think of another vehicle that doesn't have standard side-impact airbags in front.Moreover, there are no available advanced safety features, not even a rearview camera."

They also call the on road driving "raw, archaic and sloppy.The old-school recirculating-ball steering is sturdy but dull, the ride is bouncy, and the vehicle leans a lot."

None of that makes it sound like a remotely good choice for a young and inexperienced driver.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re one of the only cars that retain value.

They are overpriced and get crummy safety ratings.

They retain value.

My Land Rover retains value and is a lot less likely to get me killed.

[Anonymous]

Better than the 1974 Malibu I had to buy for $650 with my after-school work money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are not terrible safety ratings and they do not distinguish between the 2 and 4 door. One test had the doors off, so it failed that test. The 2018 are getting a lot more safety features in it. They aren't environmentally unfriendly. They get the same gas milage as other SUV's and some cars.

The safety ratings are pretty dismal: "Safety has some weak spots.The NHTSA gave the top-heavy Wrangler only three stars out of five for rollover resistance, while the IIHS gave the two-door Wrangler a Poor in side impact.Other IIHS scores were better, as both the two-door and four-door earned the top “Good” rating for moderate frontal impact, and Marginal in the difficult small overlap frontal test, while the four-door Wrangler Unlimited got a better Marginal rating in side impact.

The only standard airbags are the mandated dual front bags, while side-impact front bags are optional; we can't think of another vehicle that doesn't have standard side-impact airbags in front.Moreover, there are no available advanced safety features, not even a rearview camera."

They also call the on road driving "raw, archaic and sloppy.The old-school recirculating-ball steering is sturdy but dull, the ride is bouncy, and the vehicle leans a lot."

None of that makes it sound like a remotely good choice for a young and inexperienced driver.

Try the FJ Cruiser

[Anonymous]

Koons has 33 unlimited Wranglers for under $33k. Only one over $40k. No idea why people insist they are $40k plus

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are not terrible safety ratings and they do not distinguish between the 2 and 4 door. One test had the doors off, so it failed that test. The 2018 are getting a lot more safety features in it. They aren't environmentally unfriendly. They get the same gas milage as other SUV's and some cars.

The safety ratings are pretty dismal: "Safety has some weak spots.The NHTSA gave the top-heavy Wrangler only three stars out of five for rollover resistance, while the IIHS gave the two-door Wrangler a Poor in side impact.Other IIHS scores were better, as both the two-door and four-door earned the top “Good” rating for moderate frontal impact, and Marginal in the difficult small overlap frontal test, while the four-door Wrangler Unlimited got a better Marginal rating in side impact.

The only standard airbags are the mandated dual front bags, while side-impact front bags are optional; we can't think of another vehicle that doesn't have standard side-impact airbags in front.Moreover, there are no available advanced safety features, not even a rearview camera."

They also call the on road driving "raw, archaic and sloppy.The old-school recirculating-ball steering is sturdy but dull, the ride is bouncy, and the vehicle leans a lot."

None of that makes it sound like a remotely good choice for a young and inexperienced driver.

Try the FJ Cruiser

I wanted one of those but they stopped making them. Look at the New 2018's which are being released on Nov. 29th.. they have all the new safety features including cameras and air bags... before you talk, know your cars. They are not bouncy and they don't lean or at least the 2017 we test drove a few weeks ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Koons has 33 unlimited Wranglers for under $33k. Only one over $40k. No idea why people insist they are $40k plus

Some are, but it depends on what you pick and how well you negotiate. The ones we are looking at are around 40K, maybe more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know that kids like the look of jeeps in general but that one is a super fancy, pretentious jeep. How much would that set you back?

MSRP mid 20k but you know you NEVER pay MSRP.

You're sadly mistaken if you think you can buy a new, 4WD, Wrangler Unlimited for $25K. Maybe 10-15 years ago they were going for that, not now. These things are hotter than pistol and they're charging accordingly.

+1. DH really wants one and we can’t afford it. Our upper limit is 30k all in. We’ve tried negotiating and going without options. It’s just not happening.