Does Chicago win head to heads vs any Ivys?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like an awful place, and the list of alumni is unremarkable.
If people see it as an 'anti ivy', well, all the better.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Chicago

Based on the source you quoted, you are a lousy researcher. Even High School kids know not to use Wikipedia as a source for their paper.
You don't have to send your DD/DS to this school. But please stop insulting UChicago if that is all you have to say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like an awful place, and the list of alumni is unremarkable.
If people see it as an 'anti ivy', well, all the better.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Chicago

Based on the source you quoted, you are a lousy researcher. Even High School kids know not to use Wikipedia as a source for their paper.
You don't have to send your DD/DS to this school. But please stop insulting UChicago if that is all you have to say.

The poster was being ironic.... the wiki pages of universities are often closely managed by the universities themselves (they'd be fools not to) and the list of alums is impressive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: "If you’re a serious student with true intellectual curiosity, this is probably the best University in the US to attend. You will be pushed, you will be stretched, you will be challenged, and you will wrestle with some of the smartest people on this planet over important issues, 24/7. It is a place that is well aware of its history & celebrates intellectual accomplishment. If you are up to the challenge, U. Chicago is for you. Otherwise, go to Harvard or some other place."

Sounds like what you'll find at most major universities in America. Chicago is not special in this regard.

NP here. As an undergrad, I went to one of the Ivies that this board deems top tier. I then went to Chicago for my doctoral work, and taught a few undergrad courses while I was there. The Chicago kids seemed considerably sharper than the kids at my alma mater. They also seemed considerably more neurotic.

Some of this is probably owed to the fact that they often end up taking classes side-by-side with graduate students, who are neurotic by definition. ?Regardless, it remains a place I would only recommend to students looking for a serious intellectual challenge.

This board deems top tier the same ivies the rest of the world deems top tier: HYP. HYP is not a DCUM construct.

It’s not a DCUM construct, but it’s certainly not a rest of the world construct. Elsewhere, Yale and Princeton are not considered equivalent to Harvard (or even a cut above all other American universities).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: "If you’re a serious student with true intellectual curiosity, this is probably the best University in the US to attend. You will be pushed, you will be stretched, you will be challenged, and you will wrestle with some of the smartest people on this planet over important issues, 24/7. It is a place that is well aware of its history & celebrates intellectual accomplishment. If you are up to the challenge, U. Chicago is for you. Otherwise, go to Harvard or some other place."

Sounds like what you'll find at most major universities in America. Chicago is not special in this regard.

NP here. As an undergrad, I went to one of the Ivies that this board deems top tier. I then went to Chicago for my doctoral work, and taught a few undergrad courses while I was there. The Chicago kids seemed considerably sharper than the kids at my alma mater. They also seemed considerably more neurotic.

Some of this is probably owed to the fact that they often end up taking classes side-by-side with graduate students, who are neurotic by definition. ?Regardless, it remains a place I would only recommend to students looking for a serious intellectual challenge.

This board deems top tier the same ivies the rest of the world deems top tier: HYP. HYP is not a DCUM construct.

It’s not a DCUM construct, but it’s certainly not a rest of the world construct. Elsewhere, Yale and Princeton are not considered equivalent to Harvard (or even a cut above all other American universities).

Meaningless. Most Americans don’t know the great universities outside the US either.

Those who “know” will certainly know. I lived in Europe for many years and lived among educated circles. Princeton and Yale were known. Stanford was known. I’m not aware of Chicago coming up in the discussions I’ve had (no knock on Chicago). Different schools are known for different reasons. Hopkins is probably better “known” because the hospital is world famous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anecdotal, but the three kids we know at Chicago right now were rejected from every Ivy they applied to, including Cornell.

NP - Where they applied is the key thing and one from which broader assumptions cannot be drawn unless those three kids and many more applied to every single Ivy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kinda funny that UChicago attracts this much venom. I guess it’s a school that doesn’t know its place.

This is really funny. I have a kid there and loving it, may be more than he should since he and his friends all mistakenly rejected Ivies and will suffer forever more. I'm glad the school doesn't know their place!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kinda funny that UChicago attracts this much venom. I guess it’s a school that doesn’t know its place.

This is really funny. I have a kid there and loving it, may be more than he should since he and his friends all mistakenly rejected Ivies and will suffer forever more. I'm glad the school doesn't know their place!

That’s because it’s a joke, LOL! My kid is there too and I feel the same way.

[Anonymous]

I know two recent students at the college and they both committed to other schools and then Chicago offered them admission very late. They asked one to do a gap year.

All seems very scummy and desperate.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, stealing Harvard’s Z list....

[Anonymous]

OMG how would any school know where else a student athlete committed. So I know that a very talented hockey player recruit was "stolen" by Harvard after an early commitment to Princeton. Does that mean all of Harvard is scummy and desperate. I don't think so...one never knows the situation of individual recruits unless you live it.

I'm convinced this thread was started by the UChicago denigrators so they would have a whole thread to spread their poison as if all the evils of colleges rest solely on Chicago's shoulders. Too bad they're too busy running their university to focus in on that huge responsibility. We should hijack this and make it funny as did the earlier poster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anecdotal, but the three kids we know at Chicago right now were rejected from every Ivy they applied to, including Cornell.

NP - Where they applied is the key thing and one from which broader assumptions cannot be drawn unless those three kids and many more applied to every single Ivy.

Everything that is said by both the boosters and detractors is purely anecdotal and assumptions when it comes to heads to heads comparisons.

And, of course, other factors come into play that may have an impact. Financial aid packages, for example, can bribe students to Chicago over Cornell or Penn, and vice versa, so who knows what the real "first" choice is.

I think this is a silly discussion. It's a damn fine university, always has been even in the days of 60+% admissions rates in the 1990s, and the Ivies are damn fine schools too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: "If you’re a serious student with true intellectual curiosity, this is probably the best University in the US to attend. You will be pushed, you will be stretched, you will be challenged, and you will wrestle with some of the smartest people on this planet over important issues, 24/7. It is a place that is well aware of its history & celebrates intellectual accomplishment. If you are up to the challenge, U. Chicago is for you. Otherwise, go to Harvard or some other place."

Sounds like what you'll find at most major universities in America. Chicago is not special in this regard.

NP here. As an undergrad, I went to one of the Ivies that this board deems top tier. I then went to Chicago for my doctoral work, and taught a few undergrad courses while I was there. The Chicago kids seemed considerably sharper than the kids at my alma mater. They also seemed considerably more neurotic.

Some of this is probably owed to the fact that they often end up taking classes side-by-side with graduate students, who are neurotic by definition. ?Regardless, it remains a place I would only recommend to students looking for a serious intellectual challenge.

This board deems top tier the same ivies the rest of the world deems top tier: HYP. HYP is not a DCUM construct.

It’s not a DCUM construct, but it’s certainly not a rest of the world construct. Elsewhere, Yale and Princeton are not considered equivalent to Harvard (or even a cut above all other American universities).

Very wrong. Outside the US, Harvard, Stanford, MIT are the most prestigious US universities, Yale and Princeton come a bit behind them but are clearly seen as a cut above the rest of the US universities.

Inside the US, HYPSM are seen as the top US universities with Harvard and Stanford as the top 2. Yale and Princeton are not exactly on par but they follow closely behind, and are certainly much closer to H/S than they are to other US universities.

[Anonymous]

So on this thread people are fighting over international prestige and on others lament the seats that international students take from US students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OMG how would any school know where else a student athlete committed. So I know that a very talented hockey player recruit was "stolen" by Harvard after an early commitment to Princeton. Does that mean all of Harvard is scummy and desperate. I don't think so...one never knows the situation of individual recruits unless you live it.

I'm convinced this thread was started by the UChicago denigrators so they would have a whole thread to spread their poison as if all the evils of colleges rest solely on Chicago's shoulders. Too bad they're too busy running their university to focus in on that huge responsibility. We should hijack this and make it funny as did the earlier poster.

No, the late admits and forced gap years teases out desperate and scummy admissions trickery to goose stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So on this thread people are fighting over international prestige and on others lament the seats that international students take from US students.

Whoever is lamenting that is beyond stupid. The US is a country of immigrants. The whole idea is that extremely talented people from all around the world can come here, work hard and succeed. This is what made the US the greatest country in the first place. Those lamenting that international kids take the spots of their kids should simply tell their kids to work harder.