Trump DOJ to prosecute universities for anti-white affirmative action policies

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Anonymous wrote:Wow.

So, all those people who were mad that they were called deplorables, are actually deplorable racists. Who knew?

Why are you assuming that the people pointing out that whites lose out to minorities (with lower grades and test scores) are Trump voters? I didn't vote for Trump, and I think it unfair that a white, Asian, or Jewish student from the same SES as blacks and Latinos lose their spots to those with significantly lower grades, based on race.

Jews like kushner? Do you really want to examine how he got into school?

...I said from the same SES group. Kushner isn't part of that. I'm talking about a Jewish student with a 3.6 and a black student with a 3.3, both from similar middle-class backgrounds. The Jewish kid will in all likelihood lose his spot to the black kid.

The kid with a 3.6 is not competing with anybody with a 3.3. Sorry but a 3.3 is barely a B. A 3.6 is more A's than B's.

Yeah, I know the kid with a 3.3 is barely a B. But if he's black, he has a good chance of admission to a strong school. A white or Asian kid, forget it. That's the point.

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Anonymous wrote:Hasn't SCOTUS already decided on the constitutionality of affirmative action? So glad taxpayer funds will be going to what's *really* important.

Yes screw little Johnny who got s 1600 SAT. he needs to give up his seat to Harvard because racism, right?

To little Jamal who also got a 1600? Maybe.

But you know that government can't tell Harvard who to admit, I hope.

That would be one thing but universities are giving preference to Jamal with a 1300 over mr white 1600.

Maybe Jamal with 1300 has a much more interesting back story to his life, has done a lot more admirable things, is a much better writer, a more talented inventor, won more awards, is a kinder person than Johnny who took 5 prep courses to get his perfect score but has never been out of his little cocoon of privilege and who obviously had help writing his essay.

I know which candidate I'd prefer.

DP. But you're just making up a sympathetic story. Johnny could be the one with the "interesting back story," not Jamal. AA isn't based on who possesses a certain back story; it's based on who possesses a certain skin color.

So, are you on an admissions committee and are telling us a particular story about particular candidates?

Admissions committees don't just look at skin color. They look at the whole package. And yes, non-academic factors come into play. I'm a white person who got into an Ivy League school with that 1300 SAT score and you know what I am almost certain put me over in the yes pile? The fact that I was from a poor rural midwestern area from where they rarely received applications. An admissions officer as much told me so. I probably prevented a Connecticut Johnny with his 1600 SAT score from getting in.

But he probably got in elsewhere so i don't feel so bad about it.

I don't think anyone remotely suggested that Admissions committees ONLY look at skin color.

Yet this is what most people think. All AA says is that race and gender could be used as factors. It does not say its the deciding factor. And in practice, its not applied that way.

Antri-AAs like to to use the SAT or some other standardized test as the primary driver or baseline as to how a student should be admitted. The thinking here is that, since AA and Latinos statistically do worse on these tests than Asians and whites, they are more than likely less deserving of admittance. In their perfect black-and-white world, only the kids with the highest standardized test scores would get into the best schools or have the highest preference. In practice, GPA and STs ARE typically the primary drivers, however, and colleges and universities typically work to seek diversity in its student body, so other factors are also considered.

The big problem here is, for all people who complain about the concept of even considering race, you do not hear those same people complaining about other, more significant admittance factors that have nothing to do with merit, like wealthy, status and legacy. Its also hard to explain how to view whites who get admitted with lesser stats compared to other students b/c of some other experiences or factors they have. This is WAY more prevalent than your "AA takes White/Asian student's slot" straw man that racist DCUMers use. Particularly in elite schools.

Sorry but I'm having a hard time paying attention to you because you're not making sense.

If colleges only looked at skin color, they would not need or consider standardized test scores. Everyone knows that's not the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, in college admissions, it's actually asians that get hurt most by affirmative action.

How is that?

China and India are such great cultures. I would imagine there are lots of opportunities for innovative people in China and India.

Why are you talking about opportunities in China and India? We're talking about Americans, who just happen to be of Asian origin. People like you who cannot seem to wrap their tiny minds around the fact that people with brown skin can be Americans are so infuriating.

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Universities continue to judge students on the color of their skin, instead of the content of their character, grades, and other achievements - even after we have, as a nation, elected a black president (twice).

The racism which is affirmative action must now end.

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Anonymous wrote:Universities continue to judge students on the color of their skin, instead of the content of their character, grades, and other achievements - even after we have, as a nation, elected a black president (twice).

The racism which is affirmative action must now end.

I agree. I'm the one who used to work in higher-ed admissions, and I left the job. I did not agree with the goal of giving a slot to a black student with a 3.3 when a white student with a 3.6 (and higher test scores) was rejected, when both were from a similar SES. It's racist, and discrimination against whites.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow.

So, all those people who were mad that they were called deplorables, are actually deplorable racists. Who knew?

Why are you assuming that the people pointing out that whites lose out to minorities (with lower grades and test scores) are Trump voters? I didn't vote for Trump, and I think it unfair that a white, Asian, or Jewish student from the same SES as blacks and Latinos lose their spots to those with significantly lower grades, based on race.

Jews like kushner? Do you really want to examine how he got into school?

...I said from the same SES group. Kushner isn't part of that. I'm talking about a Jewish student with a 3.6 and a black student with a 3.3, both from similar middle-class backgrounds. The Jewish kid will in all likelihood lose his spot to the black kid.

The kid with a 3.6 is not competing with anybody with a 3.3. Sorry but a 3.3 is barely a B. A 3.6 is more A's than B's.

When you factor that the kid with the 3.3 has impressive extracurriculars activities he could indeed get a slot over the 3.6. Its not all about grades.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow.

So, all those people who were mad that they were called deplorables, are actually deplorable racists. Who knew?

Why are you assuming that the people pointing out that whites lose out to minorities (with lower grades and test scores) are Trump voters? I didn't vote for Trump, and I think it unfair that a white, Asian, or Jewish student from the same SES as blacks and Latinos lose their spots to those with significantly lower grades, based on race.

Jews like kushner? Do you really want to examine how he got into school?

...I said from the same SES group. Kushner isn't part of that. I'm talking about a Jewish student with a 3.6 and a black student with a 3.3, both from similar middle-class backgrounds. The Jewish kid will in all likelihood lose his spot to the black kid.

The kid with a 3.6 is not competing with anybody with a 3.3. Sorry but a 3.3 is barely a B. A 3.6 is more A's than B's.

When you factor that the kid with the 3.3 has impressive extracurriculars activities he could indeed get a slot over the 3.6. Its not all about grades.

Nope, all other factors equal. You're looking for a way to justify the fact that being white is a disadvantage in admissions, and racism pure and simple.

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You want to end affirmative action? Then end the Kushner/Trump way of money talks as well.

No more legacies, no more wealth etc as a factor either.

You want it to be a meritocracy, then take off all factors.

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Anonymous wrote:You want to end affirmative action? Then end the Kushner/Trump way of money talks as well.

No more legacies, no more wealth etc as a factor either.

You want it to be a meritocracy, then take off all factors.

I think you overrate legacies. I know lots of kids that did not get into very good schools who were "legacies".

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You want to end affirmative action? Then end the Kushner/Trump way of money talks as well.

No more legacies, no more wealth etc as a factor either.

You want it to be a meritocracy, then take off all factors.

Universities are private and they have the right to reserve a quota for the ultra rich especially if they bring in a massive donation which will improve University facilities for everyone. This quota is usually very small and very few can take advantage of that. And even to qualify for that ultra rich quota you cannot be a dum dum you have to meet the certain minimum standard I would assume.


The biggest problem is that all things being equal a white student with 3.6 an Asian with 3.9 and a black student with 3.3 GPA respectively and only the black student getting selected is reverse racism I would say.

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Anonymous wrote:You want to end affirmative action? Then end the Kushner/Trump way of money talks as well.

No more legacies, no more wealth etc as a factor either.

You want it to be a meritocracy, then take off all factors.

I think you overrate legacies. I know lots of kids that did not get into very good schools who were "legacies".

Legacies that donate get in -

This doesn't happen at Oxbridge for instance

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Asian parents sue Harvard after their kids with perfect GPA's were rejected.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/18/rejected-asian-students-sue-harvard-over-admissions-that-favor-other-minorities.html

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Check out this chart to see exactly how this effect plays out in admissions to medical schools.



Article discussing it is here:

http://www.aei.org/publication/acceptance-rates-at-us-medical-schools-in-2015-reveal-ongoing-discrimination-against-asian-americans-and-whites/

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Anonymous wrote:Cal tech admissions model for all schools.

Cal Tech is 29% whites, 41% Asian and 16% URM.

MIT is 35% white, 26% Asian, and 20% URM.

All the white people clebrating this need to take a minute and realize that if college admissions were truly race blind, there would be fewer whites and fewer URMs, and a lot more Asians. Right now, Asians are the group that takes a hit on college admissions, not whites. And both of the big lawsuits out there on race based admissions are brought by Asian Americans-- not whites.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans will be so happy when all of these race blind policies lead to 99% Asians at top schools. Lol

Honesty if this happened, the "top" schools would no longer be very prestigious after a generation. Because it would be likely that Caucasian students going to their big state universities would still go on to become the CEOs, the senators, etc. The Ivy League would just be a source of very skilled engineers and doctors.