Republican Party Abandoning Trump Train Wreck

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jsteele wrote:Ken Vogel of Politico just tweeted that ex-Trump aides are on the ground in Wisconsin helping to organize the campaign against Paul Ryan. The primary is Tuesday.

Good article about it - http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-paul-ryan-226593

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans who have refused to endorse Donald Trump:

George HW Bush
George W Bush
Jeb Bush
Mitt Romney
Ted Cruz
Tom Delay
Karl Rove
Condoleeza Rice
Norm Coleman (Republican Senator from Minnesota)
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Republican Representative from Florida)
Susan Collins (Republican Senator from Maine)
Lindsey Graham (Republican Senator from South Carolina)
Ben Sasse (Republican Senator from Nebraska)
Mark Kirk (Republican Senator from Illinois)
Mike Lee (Republican Senator from Utah)
Jeff Flake (Republican Senator from Arizona)
Dean Heller (Republican Senator from Nevada)
John Kasich
Brian Sandoval (Republican Gov from Nevada)
Charlie Baker (Republican Gov from Mass)
Rick Snyder (Republican Gov from Michigan)
Larry Hogan (Republican Gov from MD)
Susanna Martinez (Republican Gov from NM)
Bill Kristol
Ross Douthat
Erick Erickson (RedState)
Leon Wolf (RedState)
George Will
Charles Krauthammer
Joe Scarborough
Glenn Beck
Max Boot
Michael Reagan
Bret Stephens (WSJ)
Charles and David Koch
Tom Ridge (former Republican Gov of PA and Sec of Homeland Security)
J.C. Watts
Mel Martinez (former FL Sen)

Republicans who have endorsed Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump:

Hank Paulson (Treasury Secretary under Bush)
Richard Armitage (Deputy Sec of State under Bush)
Brent Scrowcroft (National Security Advisor under Bush)
Larry Pressler (Republican Senator from South Dakota)
Michael Bloomberg
Houston Chronicle
Mark Cuban
Robert Kagan ("The party cannot be saved, but the country still can be.” Trump "is how fascism comes to America.”)
Christine Todd Whitman (former Republican Gov of NJ and Head of EPA)


Who did I miss?

None of this matters. Trump's supporters love the fact that the "Republican establishment" hates him, because they hate the Republican establishment too. Do you have any understanding of why Trump won the nomination?

Do you know how the electoral college works? Did you know that you can win the popular vote but not actually win? Just ask Gore.

True. And the electoral map, which already favors the democrats, looks nearly impossible for Trump. Just ask the New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/us/politics/donald-trump-presidential-race.html?_r=0

PS: if you are a Republican who might lose Arizona, it's time to be very alarmed.

Trump will not even come close to winning the popular vote. Obama beat Romney by 5 million voters, almost 10%. Trump will get nowhere near as many votes as Romney did. In the end, many Trump supporters will get cold feet and stay home rather than vote for HRC. Clinton will win in a landslide.

But as PP pointed out, it doesn't matter. Trump can't win the electoral vote. I expect him to soon start talking about how the electoral college is rigged against him and vowing to dismantle it when he becomes president. Good luck with that, Donnie.

This. Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it hard to believe that not endorsing Trump could hurt John McCain in the primaries. I know Trump is acting like a little baby and saying he won't endorse McCain because he thinks he should have done more for vets, or Paul Ryan because "he's just not there yet" (because Trump is a big bully who gets mad and threatens to ruin the whole game if other kids won't play with him), but I doubt Trump's lack of support would really affect primary votes. Would it really? If divi hope McCain doesn't cave.

What a big bully Trump is. I understand how he wants to run foreign policy now and I am afraid for us.

This why McCain endorses Trump:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/08/03/scottsdale-arizona-trump-contributions/87995032/

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You all act like politicians are brave leaders. They are not. The best action for any republican elected official is to endorse Trump and ride out the storm. If you say you are leaving the party, actively work against Trump, etc..you are done in the Republican Party and Trump's supporters will deal out pay back.
This Ryan thing is Trump going after him because Ryan made a 1/2 hearted attemp to challenge Trump. If Ryan had come out an endorsed Trump and kept quite, Trump would have left him alone. The message to others - don't do what Ryan did. Don't mess with Trump, he is the crazy guy, sitting be himself at the bar.

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Anonymous wrote:You all act like politicians are brave leaders. They are not. The best action for any republican elected official is to endorse Trump and ride out the storm. If you say you are leaving the party, actively work against Trump, etc..you are done in the Republican Party and Trump's supporters will deal out pay back.
This Ryan thing is Trump going after him because Ryan made a 1/2 hearted attemp to challenge Trump. If Ryan had come out an endorsed Trump and kept quite, Trump would have left him alone. The message to others - don't do what Ryan did. Don't mess with Trump, he is the crazy guy, sitting be himself at the bar.

It is more than a lack of courage. For decades the GOP leadership has stoked resentment, racism and fear. They have relentlessly bashed government, taught voters that they should disdain public servants in the govt. and now they are stuck with a manifestation of all of that with Trump. As far back as Reagan ( who said in his first inaugural address that “government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem,” ) the GOP has spent decades demonizing people on welfare, degrading teachers and other public workers, starving the public sector enough to guarantee its inefficiency, and now they must reap what they have sown.

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The GOP Christians should check Hosea 8-7

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GOP chickens coming home to roost.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it hard to believe that not endorsing Trump could hurt John McCain in the primaries. I know Trump is acting like a little baby and saying he won't endorse McCain because he thinks he should have done more for vets, or Paul Ryan because "he's just not there yet" (because Trump is a big bully who gets mad and threatens to ruin the whole game if other kids won't play with him), but I doubt Trump's lack of support would really affect primary votes. Would it really? If divi hope McCain doesn't cave.

What a big bully Trump is. I understand how he wants to run foreign policy now and I am afraid for us.

This why McCain endorses Trump:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/08/03/scottsdale-arizona-trump-contributions/87995032/

Oh wow you're right. And that's even crazier! Trump is mad enough at McCain's criticism of him for the Khan remarks to withhold his endorsement in Arizona and possibly work against him? What a bitter, narcissistic old bully.

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Anonymous wrote:You all act like politicians are brave leaders. They are not. The best action for any republican elected official is to endorse Trump and ride out the storm. If you say you are leaving the party, actively work against Trump, etc..you are done in the Republican Party and Trump's supporters will deal out pay back.
This Ryan thing is Trump going after him because Ryan made a 1/2 hearted attemp to challenge Trump. If Ryan had come out an endorsed Trump and kept quite, Trump would have left him alone. The message to others - don't do what Ryan did. Don't mess with Trump, he is the crazy guy, sitting be himself at the bar.

It is more than a lack of courage. For decades the GOP leadership has stoked resentment, racism and fear. They have relentlessly bashed government, taught voters that they should disdain public servants in the govt. and now they are stuck with a manifestation of all of that with Trump. As far back as Reagan ( who said in his first inaugural address that “government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem,” ) the GOP has spent decades demonizing people on welfare, degrading teachers and other public workers, starving the public sector enough to guarantee its inefficiency, and now they must reap what they have sown.

Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:And the GOP is looking at options for what to do if Trump drops out -- which I don't see. But the fact that they're looking at it is telling.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senior-gop-officials-exploring-options-trump-drops/story?id=41089609&cid=abcnp_tco

From the rules: "(a) The Republican National Committee is hereby authorized and empowered to fill any and all vacancies which may occur by reason of death, declination or otherwise of the Republican candidate for president of the United States or the Republican candidate for vice president of the United States, as nominated by the national convention, or the Republican National Committee may reconvene the national convention for the purpose of filling any such vacancies."

[bolding mine]

The bolded "otherwise" is, shall we say, very very broad.

[Anonymous]

Another GOP congressman is dumping Trump:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/adam-kinzinger-donald-trump-226643

[Anonymous]

The thing is, Ryan and Co hoped that Trump could be elected and then "used" and "managed" in order to accomplish their agenda- it was a rational point of view, and well explained by Ryan in the letter he wrote about his endorsment.

However, it is becoming clear that the RNC can not manage Trump AT ALL, not even in the campaigning. How do they expect to be able to manage him as president? That is what I would be worried about if I were Ryan.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, Ryan and Co hoped that Trump could be elected and then "used" and "managed" in order to accomplish their agenda- it was a rational point of view, and well explained by Ryan in the letter he wrote about his endorsment.

However, it is becoming clear that the RNC can not manage Trump AT ALL, not even in the campaigning. How do they expect to be able to manage him as president? That is what I would be worried about if I were Ryan.

It's only rational if Ryan was denying the reality of Trump and his entire persona. Trump is 100% unmanageable. We all knew that, Ryan and the Republicans have been desparately trying to pretend otherwise. Silly them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, Ryan and Co hoped that Trump could be elected and then "used" and "managed" in order to accomplish their agenda- it was a rational point of view, and well explained by Ryan in the letter he wrote about his endorsment.

However, it is becoming clear that the RNC can not manage Trump AT ALL, not even in the campaigning. How do they expect to be able to manage him as president? That is what I would be worried about if I were Ryan.

It's only rational if Ryan was denying the reality of Trump and his entire persona. Trump is 100% unmanageable. We all knew that, Ryan and the Republicans have been desparately trying to pretend otherwise. Silly them.

They over estimated their own ability to control him, and under estimated his looniness.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are showing me a list of republicans that have put their own needs and desires above the people, I agree.

A Republican publicly endorsing Clinton is putting his own needs and desires above the country? It's actually putting his own needs and desires above the party.

Republicans spent the past eight years putting party above country. The logical conclusion is putting self above party.

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Trump is a product of the Republican party's self-destruction.