Has Yale Become a PC Joke?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad my kid's not applying, but for different reasons. This seems like a campus where lots of non-white students feel marginalized and where their concerns aren't treated with respect until the situation gets out of control. Not an appealing environment.

In fairness to Yale's administration, the President now does seem to be listening. We'll see what happens next.

U of Missouri's president just resigned in what appears an awful atmosphere that was ignored by the university president. Some of the things the Greeks (frats) were doing were deplorable.

Yes, it's an amazing story. I have a lot of respect for the football players in that scenario.

I agree that it's amazing, but for the wrong reasons. That a group of so-called "scholar-athletes" can jeopardize a whole institution of higher learning shows how out of hand university sports are getting.

What top university in the US, if any, makes a point of focusing on academics and learning alone, and leaves sports to sports institutions? I want to start researching that for my kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, does anyone else remember receiving directives WHILE IN UNIVERSITY about what your Halloween costume could/could not be? Are adult students in university (Yale University for crissakes) not capable of making adult decisions?

Yale has been PC central for a long time. I remember visiting in the mid-80s when college-shopping, and being completely turned off by how PC it was. Separate floors/housing for each conceivable ethnic/racial/sexual identity group. I wanted to go to college to be with a mix of people - the main purpose that colleges are residential in my opinion! To expose yourself to other points of view and experiences, not hunker down in groups of people who are the same as you are. 30 years later and Yale's PC policies seem to have achieved nothing - still segregated, still resorting to uncivil discourse.

+100. Yale has kind of jumped the shark. It's insane when students who were happy to accept an offer from a highly exclusive school then expect every aspect of the school to be completely inclusive and devoid of elitism. These spoiled students crack me up. Let them go to community college if they really care so much about equality. I know it will be a long time before I hire anyone from Yale again.

[Anonymous]

Thank you for doing your part to improve the lives of Yale grads!

[Anonymous]

Found this from the other thread discussing this topic. A brief look at the Yale Oped pages shines a light on the current victimhood mindset. These privileged students whining about how oppressed they are:


http://yaleherald.com/category/op-eds/

Woman to woman

The Grief Game

Proving my identity

My rape isn’t just another statistic

Toxic masculinity

A call to Yale men

The spaces that matter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, does anyone else remember receiving directives WHILE IN UNIVERSITY about what your Halloween costume could/could not be? Are adult students in university (Yale University for crissakes) not capable of making adult decisions?

Yale has been PC central for a long time. I remember visiting in the mid-80s when college-shopping, and being completely turned off by how PC it was. Separate floors/housing for each conceivable ethnic/racial/sexual identity group. I wanted to go to college to be with a mix of people - the main purpose that colleges are residential in my opinion! To expose yourself to other points of view and experiences, not hunker down in groups of people who are the same as you are. 30 years later and Yale's PC policies seem to have achieved nothing - still segregated, still resorting to uncivil discourse.

+100. Yale has kind of jumped the shark. It's insane when students who were happy to accept an offer from a highly exclusive school then expect every aspect of the school to be completely inclusive and devoid of elitism. These spoiled students crack me up. Let them go to community college if they really care so much about equality. I know it will be a long time before I hire anyone from Yale again.

That's fine. They probably wouldn't want to work for you anyway. I'm sure they'll land on their feet without your enormous generosity and ego.

[Anonymous]

Actually, if you look at the today's Yale Op Ed pages (11.9/15) you will see a wider array of views -- from both students who explain a bit more clearly why they feel marginalized but also from students with the courage to condemn the overly aggressive tactics of some students who in the name of defending against micro-aggressions are engaged in intimidation and censorship. There seems to be a very reasonable but usually silent majority at Yale. Perhaps last week's events will wake them up so that extremist voices are not the only ones heard publically or by the administration going forward.
http://yaledailynews.com/blog/category/opinion/

[Anonymous]

And if the outraged students hadn't been so confrontational then Yale wouldn't be having this broader discussion right now. Kudos to the kids who had the guts to insist that the racial climate at Yale is an issue that needs to be discussed.

[Anonymous]

https://medium.com/keep-learning-keep-growing/what-s-really-going-on-at-yale-6bdbbeeb57a6
It is not about the costumes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And if the outraged students hadn't been so confrontational then Yale wouldn't be having this broader discussion right now. Kudos to the kids who had the guts to insist that the racial climate at Yale is an issue that needs to be discussed.

Not at all true. Indeed, the conversation about racial issues was embraced by the President of the University at his opening speech this year in the context of a school discussion as to whether the name of Calhoun Hall should be changed and by an email from the Master of another residential college who suggested that students should not call him Master any longer because he didn't want anyone to feel uncomfortable. The university promoted this dialogue without swearing or intimidation. Perhaps not fast enough or loud enough for some, but the school year began in late August and all this hit the fan the week of Halloween. The Yale Daily news has featured many OpEds on many sides of these issues. And yes, some of them prompted some rather uncivil reactions. Unfortunately, rather than some students viewing the administration as this year welcoming dialogue and change, they have used it as a window to escalate as reflected in that unseemly video of the student screaming at the administrator. The tantrum in the video accurately reflects the problem on many campuses -- some students believe if they don't like the answer they get it means the administration doesn't care about them and intentionally supports racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if the outraged students hadn't been so confrontational then Yale wouldn't be having this broader discussion right now. Kudos to the kids who had the guts to insist that the racial climate at Yale is an issue that needs to be discussed.

Not at all true. Indeed, the conversation about racial issues was embraced by the President of the University at his opening speech this year in the context of a school discussion as to whether the name of Calhoun Hall should be changed and by an email from the Master of another residential college who suggested that students should not call him Master any longer because he didn't want anyone to feel uncomfortable. The university promoted this dialogue without swearing or intimidation. Perhaps not fast enough or loud enough for some, but the school year began in late August and all this hit the fan the week of Halloween. The Yale Daily news has featured many OpEds on many sides of these issues. And yes, some of them prompted some rather uncivil reactions. Unfortunately, rather than some students viewing the administration as this year welcoming dialogue and change, they have used it as a window to escalate as reflected in that unseemly video of the student screaming at the administrator. The tantrum in the video accurately reflects the problem on many campuses -- some students believe if they don't like the answer they get it means the administration doesn't care about them and intentionally supports racism.

+1 The e-mail originally sent out was civil and spurred discussion. The response should have been to open up a dialogue, not yell and scream and tantrum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if the outraged students hadn't been so confrontational then Yale wouldn't be having this broader discussion right now. Kudos to the kids who had the guts to insist that the racial climate at Yale is an issue that needs to be discussed.

Not at all true. Indeed, the conversation about racial issues was embraced by the President of the University at his opening speech this year in the context of a school discussion as to whether the name of Calhoun Hall should be changed and by an email from the Master of another residential college who suggested that students should not call him Master any longer because he didn't want anyone to feel uncomfortable. The university promoted this dialogue without swearing or intimidation. Perhaps not fast enough or loud enough for some, but the school year began in late August and all this hit the fan the week of Halloween. The Yale Daily news has featured many OpEds on many sides of these issues. And yes, some of them prompted some rather uncivil reactions. Unfortunately, rather than some students viewing the administration as this year welcoming dialogue and change, they have used it as a window to escalate as reflected in that unseemly video of the student screaming at the administrator. The tantrum in the video accurately reflects the problem on many campuses -- some students believe if they don't like the answer they get it means the administration doesn't care about them and intentionally supports racism.

+1 The e-mail originally sent out was civil and spurred discussion. The response should have been to open up a dialogue, not yell and scream and tantrum.

+2. Just read the Professor's email, and it is much much much smarter than anything else coming out of this whole fiasco. That her DH and she must now go through PC hell is simply disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if the outraged students hadn't been so confrontational then Yale wouldn't be having this broader discussion right now. Kudos to the kids who had the guts to insist that the racial climate at Yale is an issue that needs to be discussed.

Not at all true. Indeed, the conversation about racial issues was embraced by the President of the University at his opening speech this year in the context of a school discussion as to whether the name of Calhoun Hall should be changed and by an email from the Master of another residential college who suggested that students should not call him Master any longer because he didn't want anyone to feel uncomfortable. The university promoted this dialogue without swearing or intimidation. Perhaps not fast enough or loud enough for some, but the school year began in late August and all this hit the fan the week of Halloween. The Yale Daily news has featured many OpEds on many sides of these issues. And yes, some of them prompted some rather uncivil reactions. Unfortunately, rather than some students viewing the administration as this year welcoming dialogue and change, they have used it as a window to escalate as reflected in that unseemly video of the student screaming at the administrator. The tantrum in the video accurately reflects the problem on many campuses -- some students believe if they don't like the answer they get it means the administration doesn't care about them and intentionally supports racism.

I'm surprised that this crowd isn't yelling obscenities about the term "Master." How microaggressive and unwelcome that is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, does anyone else remember receiving directives WHILE IN UNIVERSITY about what your Halloween costume could/could not be? Are adult students in university (Yale University for crissakes) not capable of making adult decisions?

Yale has been PC central for a long time. I remember visiting in the mid-80s when college-shopping, and being completely turned off by how PC it was. Separate floors/housing for each conceivable ethnic/racial/sexual identity group. I wanted to go to college to be with a mix of people - the main purpose that colleges are residential in my opinion! To expose yourself to other points of view and experiences, not hunker down in groups of people who are the same as you are. 30 years later and Yale's PC policies seem to have achieved nothing - still segregated, still resorting to uncivil discourse.

Exactly! Allowing, if not tacitly encouraging this type of self-segregation under the guise of creating "identity" and "safe space" basically guts the central reason for valuing diversity in college admissions, to be exposed to other viewpoints, experiences and backgrounds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad my kid's not applying, but for different reasons. This seems like a campus where lots of non-white students feel marginalized and where their concerns aren't treated with respect until the situation gets out of control. Not an appealing environment.

In fairness to Yale's administration, the President now does seem to be listening. We'll see what happens next.

U of Missouri's president just resigned in what appears an awful atmosphere that was ignored by the university president. Some of the things the Greeks (frats) were doing were deplorable.

Yes, it's an amazing story. I have a lot of respect for the football players in that scenario.

A lot of respect for the football players?! This just confirms that they have to be some of the dumbest ones on campus.

The university president did the right thing for the institution and resigned because he no longer could be effective in office. But it's the height of lunacy when he felt he had to apologize to some student thugs who blocked his car and shouted obscenities at him. It is they who should have been apologizes to him. I feel that the university needs punish those who use incendiary racial slurs. But not every drunken rant by some frat boy lager lout is a federal civil rights violation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From Yale’s “Intro To Undergrad Education”:

“Freedom of expression is especially important in an academic community, where the search for truth holds a primary value. In 1975, a committee chaired by the late C. Vann Woodward, one of Yale’s most distinguished professors, issued the Report of the Committee on Freedom of Expression at Yale, informally called the Woodward Report. This document emphasizes that the history of intellectual growth and discovery demonstrates the need to be able to ‘think the unthinkable, discuss the unmentionable, and challenge the unchallengeable.’ The report acknowledges that such freedom may sometimes make life uncomfortable in a small society such as a college. But it also asserts that ‘because no other institution combines the discovery and dissemination of basic knowledge with teaching, few need assign such high priority to it.’

Yale’s commitment to freedom of expression means that when you agree to matriculate, you join a community where ‘the provocative, the disturbing, and the unorthodox’ must be tolerated. When you encounter people who think differently than you do, you will be expected to honor their free expression, even when what they have to say seems wrong or offensive to you.” Wow. How the times have changed.

So well put. Every Yale student should be required to read and acknowledge this statement before matriculating.