Has Yale Become a PC Joke?

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Anonymous wrote:This kids today are entitled wimps arguments astounds me. Every generation feels like this about the previous one. The people writing this kind of crap are the ones who lack self-awareness. For every entitled rich kid there are tens if not hundreds of young people out there who are working hard. If you want to be optimistic about the next generation take a look at the kids at Montgomery College:lively minds, working a couple of jobs, taking care of younger siblings, comfortable with diversity of opinion and circumstance. And as to the screamer at Yale, people are trivializing the black students concerns. The come from a world where young blacks are being killed by the police, and our first black president is hated by a very vocal minority who oppose his every move because he is black. They have many advantages because of their accomplishments, but I can tell you that micro-aggressions are not imagined at elite institutions, they are real and have a profound effect on the mental health of the minority student body. Imagine if everyday some one at your work subtlety implied that you do not deserve to job, etc. At the same time they are told they should not complain because they, as middle class blacks, they are not subject to racism. If anyone on this board would like some insight into this, try reading, "Young, Black and Gifted." I applaud Yale for over the past few years, taking these issues seriously, and making some very reasonable proposals toward increasing inclusion on campus.

+1. People on this board don't get it. I'm a 48 year old AA woman who went to an elite college where I experienced regularly the discrimination and microaggressions that these kids are railing against. I was in college over 25 year ago - I am ashamed that this crap is still going on. Look at what happened at Harvard Law school just this morning. Yes I am successful, yes I was able to rise above it all but I don't really get why people think the students should just get over it. Don't we want our society to be better than that?

I am a caucasian and I truly get what you are saying, no one judges me on the color of my skin. I fully appreciate that I do not know what it is like to be AA, nor will I have any idea what it is like. I say this with all sincerity and no snark, I am very sorry that you have experienced racism of any kind and wish that we could eradicate all instances.

I am also a realist and having grown up in the south, I found that yelling at a prejudiced person that their views were racist (which is the tact I have in my youth) did not have any effect except anger the other person. As I got older I learned to engage the person and question their statement. Sometimes their beliefs were deeply racist but often expressing shock or asking them to explain when they meant, got them to open up and change their perspective. I know it is easier for a white person to do this than a person of color that but the key to change is to approach it gently and with intelligence.

The problem with the girl at Yale is her foul language, rude demeanor and overly assertive body language. You don't have a screaming, cursing girl who was insulting a person who had committed a racist act, all the Master did was propose a different way of approaching someone in a hypothetical situation. A person like this does more to damage a cause than bring attention to it, and honestly she sounds more like a spoiled brat than a crusader for justice.

I am the 48 YO AA who posted above. I'm not condoning the Yale student's behavior at all - she was way out of line in how she expressed herself - she was basically having a breakdown so I actually feel sorry for her. But by focusing on one person's behavior the overall points are missed. For many AA's my age who went to similar schools - we can recount similar stories and experiences. It's shocking that folks can be so dismissive of it and what is more shocking is that things have not really progressed at all. My heart really breaks over this. It actually makes me afraid for my high school-aged daughters. They have been raised in a welcoming, integrated community in DC - have never been called the N-word or faced any type of discrimination or bigotry from white friends, teachers or others. I've done the best I can to prepare them but I would be out of my mind if they had to encounter racism/discrimination/racist name-calling in college.

This is what I am getting at. Most places in the US are less racist and less elitist than DC, but you seem to have bought into the idea that most of the US is a wasteland of xenophobic white people driving around in pickup trucks shouting insults at black people. AAs (and the affluent, urban whites, who dominate journalism in this country and live in a bubble of groupthink) greatly overestimate the amount of racism in most of the country and then respond by disproportionately vilifying people.

There's about a dozen university presidents that are currently being pressured to resign by black activists, for the vaguest of reasons. I doubt that any of them are racists who deserved to be pilloried in such a manner, but that's OK. They are privileged white people who have never worked or suffered, and possibly have no souls, and you know that they probably say "n-----" all the time in their private lives, so off with their heads.

Just scan the typical threads in places like lipstickalley.com or thecoli.com and see how every other thread is filled endless conspiracy theories and cynical conclusions about the evil things that yt is up to, 99% of which are BS. You might be tempted to say that white people do the same thing, in private. But that's generally not true. Most white people don't drop racial slurs and discuss wacko conspiracy theories about blacks -- at least not nearly to the extent that black folks do.

[Anonymous]

How would you feel if a bunch of protesters loudly confronted, insulted and tried to intimidate black students in a school library, while they trying to study?

Wouldn't you expect there to be some major public outrage?

That's what just happened at Dartmouth this week:
https://youtu.be/rTac1q3Y1Xo

Where was the outrage? Oh, wait a minute, the students who were just trying to study were mostly white, so they deserved it. This wasn't racism, it was "social justice."

If you are honest, you know that if the races were reserved, it would be front page news on the NY Times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This kids today are entitled wimps arguments astounds me. Every generation feels like this about the previous one. The people writing this kind of crap are the ones who lack self-awareness. For every entitled rich kid there are tens if not hundreds of young people out there who are working hard. If you want to be optimistic about the next generation take a look at the kids at Montgomery College:lively minds, working a couple of jobs, taking care of younger siblings, comfortable with diversity of opinion and circumstance. And as to the screamer at Yale, people are trivializing the black students concerns. The come from a world where young blacks are being killed by the police, and our first black president is hated by a very vocal minority who oppose his every move because he is black. They have many advantages because of their accomplishments, but I can tell you that micro-aggressions are not imagined at elite institutions, they are real and have a profound effect on the mental health of the minority student body. Imagine if everyday some one at your work subtlety implied that you do not deserve to job, etc. At the same time they are told they should not complain because they, as middle class blacks, they are not subject to racism. If anyone on this board would like some insight into this, try reading, "Young, Black and Gifted." I applaud Yale for over the past few years, taking these issues seriously, and making some very reasonable proposals toward increasing inclusion on campus.

+1. People on this board don't get it. I'm a 48 year old AA woman who went to an elite college where I experienced regularly the discrimination and microaggressions that these kids are railing against. I was in college over 25 year ago - I am ashamed that this crap is still going on. Look at what happened at Harvard Law school just this morning. Yes I am successful, yes I was able to rise above it all but I don't really get why people think the students should just get over it. Don't we want our society to be better than that?

I am a caucasian and I truly get what you are saying, no one judges me on the color of my skin. I fully appreciate that I do not know what it is like to be AA, nor will I have any idea what it is like. I say this with all sincerity and no snark, I am very sorry that you have experienced racism of any kind and wish that we could eradicate all instances.

I am also a realist and having grown up in the south, I found that yelling at a prejudiced person that their views were racist (which is the tact I have in my youth) did not have any effect except anger the other person. As I got older I learned to engage the person and question their statement. Sometimes their beliefs were deeply racist but often expressing shock or asking them to explain when they meant, got them to open up and change their perspective. I know it is easier for a white person to do this than a person of color that but the key to change is to approach it gently and with intelligence.

The problem with the girl at Yale is her foul language, rude demeanor and overly assertive body language. You don't have a screaming, cursing girl who was insulting a person who had committed a racist act, all the Master did was propose a different way of approaching someone in a hypothetical situation. A person like this does more to damage a cause than bring attention to it, and honestly she sounds more like a spoiled brat than a crusader for justice.

I am the 48 YO AA who posted above. I'm not condoning the Yale student's behavior at all - she was way out of line in how she expressed herself - she was basically having a breakdown so I actually feel sorry for her. But by focusing on one person's behavior the overall points are missed. For many AA's my age who went to similar schools - we can recount similar stories and experiences. It's shocking that folks can be so dismissive of it and what is more shocking is that things have not really progressed at all. My heart really breaks over this. It actually makes me afraid for my high school-aged daughters. They have been raised in a welcoming, integrated community in DC - have never been called the N-word or faced any type of discrimination or bigotry from white friends, teachers or others. I've done the best I can to prepare them but I would be out of my mind if they had to encounter racism/discrimination/racist name-calling in college.

This is what I am getting at. Most places in the US are less racist and less elitist than DC, but you seem to have bought into the idea that most of the US is a wasteland of xenophobic white people driving around in pickup trucks shouting insults at black people. AAs (and the affluent, urban whites, who dominate journalism in this country and live in a bubble of groupthink) greatly overestimate the amount of racism in most of the country and then respond by disproportionately vilifying people.

There's about a dozen university presidents that are currently being pressured to resign by black activists, for the vaguest of reasons. I doubt that any of them are racists who deserved to be pilloried in such a manner, but that's OK. They are privileged white people who have never worked or suffered, and possibly have no souls, and you know that they probably say "n-----" all the time in their private lives, so off with their heads.

Just scan the typical threads in places like lipstickalley.com or thecoli.com and see how every other thread is filled endless conspiracy theories and cynical conclusions about the evil things that yt is up to, 99% of which are BS. You might be tempted to say that white people do the same thing, in private. But that's generally not true. Most white people don't drop racial slurs and discuss wacko conspiracy theories about blacks -- at least not nearly to the extent that black folks do.

Who is the YOU in your post? If you mean me the PP above, you don't understand my point of view and clearly don't care to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How would you feel if a bunch of protesters loudly confronted, insulted and tried to intimidate black students in a school library, while they trying to study?

Wouldn't you expect there to be some major public outrage?

That's what just happened at Dartmouth this week:
https://youtu.be/rTac1q3Y1Xo

Where was the outrage? Oh, wait a minute, the students who were just trying to study were mostly white, so they deserved it. This wasn't racism, it was "social justice."

If you are honest, you know that if the races were reserved, it would be front page news on the NY Times.

+1 There would probably be a federal investigation.

[Anonymous]

Yale must be thanking its lucky stars that a bigger bunch of ignorant jackasses appeared at Princeton to knock Yale out of the papers. In fairness, though, none of the 'blackmailers' at Princeton were seen spitting on people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would you feel if a bunch of protesters loudly confronted, insulted and tried to intimidate black students in a school library, while they trying to study?

Wouldn't you expect there to be some major public outrage?

That's what just happened at Dartmouth this week:
https://youtu.be/rTac1q3Y1Xo

Where was the outrage? Oh, wait a minute, the students who were just trying to study were mostly white, so they deserved it. This wasn't racism, it was "social justice."

If you are honest, you know that if the races were reserved, it would be front page news on the NY Times.

+1 There would probably be a federal investigation.

+100. Whoever compared this to a normal campus protest is an idiot. There's a world of difference between an outdoor demonstration getting rowdy vs. a bunch of losers storming a library while the responsible students are trying to study for finals. When I was an undergrad not long ago I worked part-time at the circulation desk. I often had to confront and eject very noisy students and townies who wandered in to surf porn. I can't even imagine having the nerve to pull a stunt like the Dartmouth kids and then call it "social justice" Nor can I imagine the consequences I'd face as a white person for "interfering" with their "speech"

These "students" are in for a real slap in the face once they enter the workforce and realize no one cares about their contrived outrage and delicate feelings.

[Anonymous]

It's OK to protest, just don't get up in people's faces like that. They really shouldnt be allowed to protest in the library like that. It's a library, not the Washington Monument. Aren't there public spaces all over campus for demonstrations?

There is no way this would have been permitted if the races were reversed. College administrators do nothing because they are terrified of being called "racist."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's OK to protest, just don't get up in people's faces like that. They really shouldnt be allowed to protest in the library like that. It's a library, not the Washington Monument. Aren't there public spaces all over campus for demonstrations?

There is no way this would have been permitted if the races were reversed. College administrators do nothing because they are terrified of being called "racist."

This wasn't just getting in people's faces or innocent "protesting": that was f*cking assault right there and worthy of criminal charges. A bunch of white kids, better yet frat boys, calling black people n*gger and bitch in a study area? It wouldn't just be "not permitted", they'd be arrested and have their mugs all over every liberal and PC paper and cable news channels for the next 3 months. Oh, and let's not forget to pile in some hate crime charges in the holy name of progress and social justice.

Who needs enemies like ISIS when we have our own fellow citizens perverting the 1st amendment and common decency?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would you feel if a bunch of protesters loudly confronted, insulted and tried to intimidate black students in a school library, while they trying to study?

Wouldn't you expect there to be some major public outrage?

That's what just happened at Dartmouth this week:
https://youtu.be/rTac1q3Y1Xo

Where was the outrage? Oh, wait a minute, the students who were just trying to study were mostly white, so they deserved it. This wasn't racism, it was "social justice."

If you are honest, you know that if the races were reserved, it would be front page news on the NY Times.

+1 There would probably be a federal investigation.

I've always been a big proponent of affirmative action and outraged at the shootings of innocent black men reported in the media starting with Trayvon Martin. I thought the BLM movement was thoroughly justified until their "F--- Paris" tweets. But now I'm just going to wish them luck and hope that my kids' tuition money isn't used to subsidize these people's education.

[Anonymous]

Agree. It has gotten absurd. We need influential black leaders to publically explain to these kids that their tactics and some of their more extreme demands probably will not accelerate progress on legitimate ones. Protesting students think overreaching is a good strategy, and if universities respond that way they will get more absurd demands from all groups based on that success. Someone needs to stand up and say that setting a fixed percentage target for faculty diversity is a racist demand. Unless Phds are being granted at prestigious schools in all disciplines to students of various colors conducting original research in the same proportion that each group represents in the general population, why in the world would one think new faculty hiring would be in such percentages. And as in any other industry, some turnover only occurs when there are openings -- retirements. Many current liberal white students are all too caught up in wanting to appear "supportive" that they themselves are not stopping to think critically about what they are supporting. The best way to be an ally of underrepresenting minorities, is to be honest in saying "I agree, and will support this" and "I disagree, and cannot support that" for x reasons. The grown ups need to start acting as such, and that may require that they endure be accused of racism and insensitivity if they disagree with student demands. I don't know what goes on in admissions' offices, but personally I would be looking very carefully at applicants whose primary EC appears to be social justice warrior in training unless there is very concrete evidence in essays etc. to reveal how they really think about these issues.

[Anonymous]

Looks like Dartmouth is finally doing something about it:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/11/23/dartmouth-president-says-theres-an-investigation-of-the-library-demonstration-that-allegedly-featured-anti-white-insults/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of the ivies are over-priced cesspools of leftist groupthink. Academic freedom doesn't exist there.

Ivies don't cost any more than any other private school; and mine (Princeton) costs 20% less than American University. And the few students you read about on Facebook do not define the school or represent it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of the ivies are over-priced cesspools of leftist groupthink. Academic freedom doesn't exist there.

Ivies don't cost any more than any other private school; and mine (Princeton) costs 20% less than American University. And the few students you read about on Facebook do not define the school or represent it.

Orange and black lives matter!

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's OK to protest, just don't get up in people's faces like that. They really shouldnt be allowed to protest in the library like that. It's a library, not the Washington Monument. Aren't there public spaces all over campus for demonstrations?

There is no way this would have been permitted if the races were reversed. College administrators do nothing because they are terrified of being called "racist."

This wasn't just getting in people's faces or innocent "protesting": that was f*cking assault right there and worthy of criminal charges. A bunch of white kids, better yet frat boys, calling black people n*gger and bitch in a study area? It wouldn't just be "not permitted", they'd be arrested and have their mugs all over every liberal and PC paper and cable news channels for the next 3 months. Oh, and let's not forget to pile in some hate crime charges in the holy name of progress and social justice.

Who needs enemies like ISIS when we have our own fellow citizens perverting the 1st amendment and common decency?

+1. ISIS abd Chinese leaders must be laughing so hard at the extent of our own stupidity.