If you get in nowhere, what next?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a problem with people not seeing anything wrong with falsifying their residency req to get into a neighborhood school where they did not apply for an oob spot, and maybe [b]stealing a spot from a kid whose parents have busted their a** to rent , yes rent, an apartment in boundary[/b].

Calm down. Nobody who lives in-bounds is getting their spot "stolen." That's the whole point of the boundaries - if you are within them your spot is guaranteed.

[Anonymous]

11:25 Yes, the spots are still there but the loopholes and outright cheating (i.e., falsifying an in-boundary address) lead to overcrowded classes and schools. I've lived it. It's not pretty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a problem with people not seeing anything wrong with falsifying their residency req to get into a neighborhood school where they did not apply for an oob spot, and maybe [b]stealing a spot from a kid whose parents have busted their a** to rent , yes rent, an apartment in boundary[/b].

Calm down. Nobody who lives in-bounds is getting their spot "stolen." That's the whole point of the boundaries - if you are within them your spot is guaranteed.

Sure they are getting things stolen. Resources, needlessly overcrowded classrooms, so less teacher attention. THINK people. This practice is wrong. Plain and simple. It's against the regs, it's ethically horrible and takes away from all people willing to abide by the rules by taking their chances on the lottery or by moving inbounds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a problem with people not seeing anything wrong with falsifying their residency req to get into a neighborhood school where they did not apply for an oob spot, and maybe [b]stealing a spot from a kid whose parents have busted their a** to rent , yes rent, an apartment in boundary[/b].

Calm down. Nobody who lives in-bounds is getting their spot "stolen." That's the whole point of the boundaries - if you are within them your spot is guaranteed.

Sure they are getting things stolen. Resources, needlessly overcrowded classrooms, so less teacher attention. THINK people. This practice is wrong. Plain and simple. It's against the regs, it's ethically horrible and takes away from all people willing to abide by the rules by taking their chances on the lottery or by moving inbounds.

Really? Then show me something in the Murch (or Lafayette or Janney) test scores to indicate that this so-called "stealing" is having a material difference. Because absent any data you have only your own hysteria, but no proof. Furthermore, the DC education formula is that the funding follows the child so these few incremental students also bring funding with them. To offset the cost of educating them. And if they are disadvantaged students, then they bring additional funding with them in the form of Title One money. (Never mind the fact that if the schools were over-flowing they wouldn't have any OOB slots. Yet they continue to do so. Ergo your over-crowding fears are a bit overblown) Sorry - you just have NO constructive argument against these students other than your own antagonism and bitterness.

[Anonymous]

Of course the loopholes and the cheating lead to overcrowding. I've lived it. It's not pretty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a problem with people not seeing anything wrong with falsifying their residency req to get into a neighborhood school where they did not apply for an oob spot, and maybe [b]stealing a spot from a kid whose parents have busted their a** to rent , yes rent, an apartment in boundary[/b].

Calm down. Nobody who lives in-bounds is getting their spot "stolen." That's the whole point of the boundaries - if you are within them your spot is guaranteed.

Sure they are getting things stolen. Resources, needlessly overcrowded classrooms, so less teacher attention. THINK people. This practice is wrong. Plain and simple. It's against the regs, it's ethically horrible and takes away from all people willing to abide by the rules by taking their chances on the lottery or by moving inbounds.

Really? Then show me something in the Murch (or Lafayette or Janney) test scores to indicate that this so-called "stealing" is having a material difference. Because absent any data you have only your own hysteria, but no proof. Furthermore, the DC education formula is that the funding follows the child so these few incremental students also bring funding with them. To offset the cost of educating them. And if they are disadvantaged students, then they bring additional funding with them in the form of Title One money. (Never mind the fact that if the schools were over-flowing they wouldn't have any OOB slots. Yet they continue to do so. Ergo your over-crowding fears are a bit overblown) Sorry - you just have NO constructive argument against these students other than your own antagonism and bitterness.

I think you have the bitter issue going on. There are many valid arguments against this practice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a problem with people not seeing anything wrong with falsifying their residency req to get into a neighborhood school where they did not apply for an oob spot, and maybe [b]stealing a spot from a kid whose parents have busted their a** to rent , yes rent, an apartment in boundary[/b].

Calm down. Nobody who lives in-bounds is getting their spot "stolen." That's the whole point of the boundaries - if you are within them your spot is guaranteed.

Sure they are getting things stolen. Resources, needlessly overcrowded classrooms, so less teacher attention. THINK people. This practice is wrong. Plain and simple. It's against the regs, it's ethically horrible and takes away from all people willing to abide by the rules by taking their chances on the lottery or by moving inbounds.

Really? Then show me something in the Murch (or Lafayette or Janney) test scores to indicate that this so-called "stealing" is having a material difference. Because absent any data you have only your own hysteria, but no proof. Furthermore, the DC education formula is that the funding follows the child so these few incremental students also bring funding with them. To offset the cost of educating them. And if they are disadvantaged students, then they bring additional funding with them in the form of Title One money. (Never mind the fact that if the schools were over-flowing they wouldn't have any OOB slots. Yet they continue to do so. Ergo your over-crowding fears are a bit overblown) Sorry - you just have NO constructive argument against these students other than your own antagonism and bitterness.

Ok - right back at ya, then: Why don't you show us some data on how these interloping kids are giving so much value to the schools? How they are singlehandedly holding up test scores in all of the best NW schools? Please, I'd love to see it!

[Anonymous]

11:53's argument is flawed because people who are using a false address to get into a school are NOT counted at OOB and therefore there is no additional funding that comes with their enrollment. Furthermore, people who don't live in-boundary and game the system by using an address where they are not resident are unfairly cutting ahead of people who follow the rules and apply OOB for any available space. I've lived in DC for over 30 years, and people have always gamed the system this way, but it doesn't make it right.

[Anonymous]

i think the pp is right on here. this is my first post to a thread that has obviously gotten a little out of control. but, come on, people. there are lots if illegal and/or immoral things that have gone on for years. that doesn't make them right. and practices like these will stop, eventually, once the right people take charge.

gaming a public school system beacuse you are savvy or have other resources at your disposal is a form of stealing.

[Anonymous]

the bigger issue is of course that there are too many schools that don't provide the level of education that they should. why don't we all (including those who already live in an area with a good school and those who managed, through whatever means, to get into those schools without living int he right neighborhoods) concentrate on finding ways to improve everyone's lot?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the bigger issue is of course that there are too many schools that don't provide the level of education that they should. why don't we all (including those who already live in an area with a good school and those who managed, through whatever means, to get into those schools without living int he right neighborhoods) concentrate on finding ways to improve everyone's lot?

Works for me.

[Anonymous]

(Never mind the fact that if the schools were over-flowing they wouldn't have any OOB slots. Yet they continue to do so. Ergo your over-crowding fears are a bit overblown) Sorry - you just have NO constructive argument against these students other than your own antagonism and bitterness.

lessee, I call bullshit. The overcrowding occurs in Janney, Murch, Lafayette, etc. when Gaming the System Boy (GSB) enters K. He stays year after year, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. At some point, Inboundary New Family (INF) moves to a house and enrolls their kid in GSB's class. School MUST allow INF to enroll, so the class goes from 24 to 25. If this happens over and over (and it does at Lafayette and Murch at least) when more GSBs sneak in and more INFs legitimately move inbounds ... you get 28 kids in your 5th grade class.

Perversely, the force in upper NW DC that ameliorates overcrowding in the upper grades is the inboundary families who bail and head to private in 4th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:11:53's argument is flawed because people who are using a false address to get into a school are NOT counted at OOB and therefore there is no additional funding that comes with their enrollment. Furthermore, people who don't live in-boundary and game the system by using an address where they are not resident are unfairly cutting ahead of people who follow the rules and apply OOB for any available space. I've lived in DC for over 30 years, and people have always gamed the system this way, but it doesn't make it right.

You're an idiot (or else you're completely ignorant about the per-student funding formula).

Every student is funded, regardless of whether or not they are OOB, this is why they count enrollment data in the fall. If there are 20 students, the school gets funding for 20 students. If there are 200 students, the school gets funding for 200 students. The school gets funding for EVERY student. If the student is Title I is just an additional layer of funding. So if there are 200 students, and 20 of them are Title 1, then the school gets additional funding for 20 students based on the Title I formula.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the bigger issue is of course that there are too many schools that don't provide the level of education that they should. why don't we all (including those who already live in an area with a good school and those who managed, through whatever means, to get into those schools without living int he right neighborhoods) concentrate on finding ways to improve everyone's lot?

Works for me.

Be my guest: concentrate your heart out! I'll cheer you on. It's one (among many) reasons I personally support charter schools. They've proven themselves to be better educators of the students DCPS previous wrote off as "uneducatable." In the meantime, I'm all about whatever it takes to get children from low-to-middle performing schools into high-performing schools. Who cares if the private school crowd leaves? They were going to leave anyway, they might as well get out and open up those slots to children who could use them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Ok - right back at ya, then: Why don't you show us some data on how these interloping kids are giving so much value to the schools? How they are singlehandedly holding up test scores in all of the best NW schools? Please, I'd love to see it!

This makes no sense at all. Do you even understand what the purpose of a LEA (local education authority) is? The students do not owe it to DCPS to add value. Quite the opposite: DCPS owes it to the students to provide them an education. That's why DCPS receives tax dollars - in order to do that very job (to varying degrees of success, depending upon which school we're talking about). The students only have to clear the "value add" hurdle in private schools, where the school gets to "select" students. It doesn't work this way in the public arena.