Confederate flag

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I'd fly a Confederate flag day and night if it would keep a liberal away from my house.

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Do most people who fly the confederate flag have lots of black friends, other than that guy from accounting whose name you keep getting wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:People are, of course, free to debate whether the Confederate flag represents racism. However, it is indisputable that the Confederacy was, for its entire existence, an enemy of the United States of America. Therefore, flying its flag is akin to flying a Nazi flag or the flag of another entity that was always an enemy of the U.S.

Do you know of any articles that might explain this for in depth?

Pretty much any high school history book should do.

Doesn't that tell you something about the state of education today in the public schools?

Filtered history isn't history.

If the history book you are reading tells you that it was about states rights and stops there, than that is filtered history. The fact is that to was about the right to practice slavery, and in fact a lot of it came to blows in Congress about not just keeping slavery intact in the south, but expanding it westward into the territories as they gained statehood, and that particular aspect of it is what led to a lot of the run up to the civil war. Also, if you actually take the time to critically read and compare the CSA Constitution and compare it with the US Constitution you will find that the CSA Constitution affords states less freedoms and asserts more CSA federal control, which runs contrary to the fictions that are spun today.

The right to secession was the ultimate act of states rights.

Article I Section 8 Clause 15 of the Confederate States Constitution reserves the right of the CSA to quash would-be secessions were a CSA state to want to leave the CSA:

(15) To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the Confederate States, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions.

Says nothing about secession.... I am thinking confederate flag folks are more open minded than the bigots on this forum "uneducated" "bad teeth" "mean me harm" etc

Look up the meaning of "insurrection" - if a CSA state were to rise up against the CSA, that would be an insurrection that the CSA constitution would have the right to call forth the CSA military to beat down - no different than what happened with the states that rose up against the US government in the Civil War. The CSA Constitution gave states no more right to peacefully secede than the US Constitution does.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd fly a Confederate flag day and night if it would keep a liberal away from my house.

Somehow I don't think having liberals around your house is a problem that you actually have. I doubt you actually know any liberals. But hanging a confederate flag would certainly be a good way of advertising that you are an asshole to be avoided.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a proud descendant of confederate veterans. My father proudly displayed our confederate battle flag in Vietnam. The confederate flag fills me with pride in my region. I don't care what you have to say otherwise.

I'm a proud descendant of Scotland, and I'm happy to wear my family tartan, but I don't fly the Scottish flag at my house.

Many people do. You must be disappointed that not everybody is like you

I don't see the flag as racist. It's a flag for crying out loud. It represents the region that is culturally different from other regions withing the country. Nobody flips out when they see state flags.

I can sort of excuse black people's perspective on this. On the other hand, everything is racist for the black folks nowadays; sane people just shrug at the claim.

I do see the Confederate Flag as racist and so does every skin head in the country. It is also a Losers flag which actually makes me embarrassed for the people who display it. You lost the war that you started and yet you fly the flag to remind everyone that you are a loser?

Are you a skinhead? I'm not; therefore, I'm not obligated to care about what skinheads and the likes of them think.

U.S. lost in Vietnam. (I am not a history buff, but I don't think Vietnam started that one :lol Does it mean the U.S. flag represents a loser nation? What a strange argument though.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most people who fly the confederate flag have lots of black friends, other than that guy from accounting whose name you keep getting wrong?

Oh stop this nonsense. Does your snowflake goes to a majority black school? Yeah, I thought so

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Anonymous wrote:People are, of course, free to debate whether the Confederate flag represents racism. However, it is indisputable that the Confederacy was, for its entire existence, an enemy of the United States of America. Therefore, flying its flag is akin to flying a Nazi flag or the flag of another entity that was always an enemy of the U.S.

Do you know of any articles that might explain this for in depth?

Pretty much any high school history book should do.

Doesn't that tell you something about the state of education today in the public schools?

Filtered history isn't history.

If the history book you are reading tells you that it was about states rights and stops there, than that is filtered history. The fact is that to was about the right to practice slavery, and in fact a lot of it came to blows in Congress about not just keeping slavery intact in the south, but expanding it westward into the territories as they gained statehood, and that particular aspect of it is what led to a lot of the run up to the civil war. Also, if you actually take the time to critically read and compare the CSA Constitution and compare it with the US Constitution you will find that the CSA Constitution affords states less freedoms and asserts more CSA federal control, which runs contrary to the fictions that are spun today.

I agree that would be filtered history. Leaving out the original meaning is also filtered history.

There's what it USED TO mean, and there's what it means NOW. Due to the events of history, one meaning has trumped and replaced the other, and you can't particularly go back without first acknowledging and accepting what it actually means now. The folks who fly confederate flags hate acknowledging and accepting the rest of history and meaning.

If you look at everything as it means now, without looking back on history, then we can ignore all of the history of slavery because black people are no longer enslaved. After all, one meaning has TRUMPED and REPLACED the other, right?

In fact, it seems you are the one unwilling to consider that the confederate flag was bastardized at some point in time.

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^ The fact that they are no longer enslaved today does not wipe historical fact clean.

The confederate flag was born a bastard, it was born directly from being on the wrong side of the fight over the right of states to keep people enslaved, and the confederacy fell without ever reversing or redeeming itself, so it remains forever a bastard in history.

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Anonymous wrote:^ The fact that they are no longer enslaved today does not wipe historical fact clean.

The confederate flag was born a bastard, it was born directly from being on the wrong side of the fight over the right of states to keep people enslaved, and the confederacy fell without ever reversing or redeeming itself, so it remains forever a bastard in history.

Posters like this baffle me. It is the one and the same country we are talking about. I somehow think it's really fucked up to self-loath like this. The country I chose to leave behind has much more peculiar history and present; even I don't hate it as much

The PC way American History is taught in U.S. public schools does not do anybody any service.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most people who fly the confederate flag have lots of black friends, other than that guy from accounting whose name you keep getting wrong?

Oh stop this nonsense. Does your snowflake goes to a majority black school? Yeah, I thought so

oh those are exactly the same.
How many majority black schools are there in va when blacks are 12.5% of the population?

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Anonymous wrote:I'd fly a Confederate flag day and night if it would keep a liberal away from my house.

Just tell a liberal your double digit IQ - that will keep them away.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a proud descendant of confederate veterans. My father proudly displayed our confederate battle flag in Vietnam. The confederate flag fills me with pride in my region. I don't care what you have to say otherwise.

I'm a proud descendant of Scotland, and I'm happy to wear my family tartan, but I don't fly the Scottish flag at my house.

Many people do. You must be disappointed that not everybody is like you

I don't see the flag as racist. It's a flag for crying out loud. It represents the region that is culturally different from other regions withing the country. Nobody flips out when they see state flags.

I can sort of excuse black people's perspective on this. On the other hand, everything is racist for the black folks nowadays; sane people just shrug at the claim.

I do see the Confederate Flag as racist and so does every skin head in the country. It is also a Losers flag which actually makes me embarrassed for the people who display it. You lost the war that you started and yet you fly the flag to remind everyone that you are a loser?

Are you a skinhead? I'm not; therefore, I'm not obligated to care about what skinheads and the likes of them think.

U.S. lost in Vietnam. (I am not a history buff, but I don't think Vietnam started that one :lol Does it mean the U.S. flag represents a loser nation? What a strange argument though.

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The United States Of America still exists. The Confederate States of America does not. Hence the difference. Viet Nam was a foreign war that we did not start. BIG DIFFERENCE.

[Anonymous]

The Confederate flag represents white people with poor dental hygiene and less that a high school diploma who have cars on blocks in their front yard and old upholstered chairs on their front porches.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd fly a Confederate flag day and night if it would keep a liberal away from my house.

Just tell a liberal your double digit IQ - that will keep them away.

you are going to confuse them. They think a double digit iQ is good and 100 is a perfect score.

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Anonymous wrote:The Confederate flag represents white people with poor dental hygiene and less that a high school diploma who have cars on blocks in their front yard and old upholstered chairs on their front porches.

Keep it up with your nasty name calling and prejudice. I love my history, I love my flag and I love myself enough that I don't need or want to put others down the way that you are doing... It is beneath you.