Reviews on GP and Landon

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not our experience in a neighborhood that has lot of Prep, Gonzaga, Landon and Whitman boys. They are still cordial to one another, but they infrequently see one another and rarely socialize.

Kids do not go to school together for 9 years, K-8, and then stop being friends because of the HS they go to.

They may not have a lot of time with all the commitment of HS, but the friendship does not just poof disappear due to HS choice.

You are probably talking about kids that did not go to elementary together and were never good friends.

No. Those friendships slowly dissolve. There's a group dynamic going on.

One just can't show up to meet with a group of your current friends and say. Here's my old friend, Jack. He goes to Landon or GP or whatever)" and then expect the new group to just acquiesce.

That's not the way it works.

Yes. That is the way it work. Hey this is joe, he goes to Landon. Oh, wait are you #11 on the soccer team. Yea, I remember you I am 15, sweeper. Oh yea... Let the day continue.

Boys are not that complicated. They won't see somebody for a year and pick up right where they left off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not our experience in a neighborhood that has lot of Prep, Gonzaga, Landon and Whitman boys. They are still cordial to one another, but they infrequently see one another and rarely socialize.

Kids do not go to school together for 9 years, K-8, and then stop being friends because of the HS they go to.

They may not have a lot of time with all the commitment of HS, but the friendship does not just poof disappear due to HS choice.

You are probably talking about kids that did not go to elementary together and were never good friends.

No. Those friendships slowly dissolve. There's a group dynamic going on.

One just can't show up to meet with a group of your current friends and say. Here's my old friend, Jack. He goes to Landon or GP or whatever)" and then expect the new group to just acquiesce.

That's not the way it works.

Yes. That is the way it work. Hey this is joe, he goes to Landon. Oh, wait are you #11 on the soccer team. Yea, I remember you I am 15, sweeper. Oh yea... Let the day continue.

Boys are not that complicated. They won't see somebody for a year and pick up right where they left off.

Depends on what you mean by "friends".

I have been to dozens of weddings of GP and GZA boys and have never seen a Landon boy in the wedding or, for that matter, at the wedding.

[Anonymous]

It's you again. The wedding with all the GP and Gonzaga boys. We will talk again when you are a little older.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not our experience in a neighborhood that has lot of Prep, Gonzaga, Landon and Whitman boys. They are still cordial to one another, but they infrequently see one another and rarely socialize.

Kids do not go to school together for 9 years, K-8, and then stop being friends because of the HS they go to.

They may not have a lot of time with all the commitment of HS, but the friendship does not just poof disappear due to HS choice.

You are probably talking about kids that did not go to elementary together and were never good friends.

No. Those friendships slowly dissolve. There's a group dynamic going on.

One just can't show up to meet with a group of your current friends and say. Here's my old friend, Jack. He goes to Landon or GP or whatever)" and then expect the new group to just acquiesce.

That's not the way it works.

Yes. That is the way it work. Hey this is joe, he goes to Landon. Oh, wait are you #11 on the soccer team. Yea, I remember you I am 15, sweeper. Oh yea... Let the day continue.

Boys are not that complicated. They won't see somebody for a year and pick up right where they left off.

What you just described is an acquaintance saying hi to someone. Big difference than boys making plans to meet up or show up at the same parties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's you again. The wedding with all the GP and Gonzaga boys. We will talk again when you are a little older.

Oil and water won't mix regardless of what year it is or how old you are or I am.

This is about choosing sides.

Sorry you're so detached from reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's you again. The wedding with all the GP and Gonzaga boys. We will talk again when you are a little older.

Oil and water won't mix regardless of what year it is or how old you are or I am.

This is about choosing sides.

Sorry you're so detached from reality.

If you are still going to wedding you (hopefully) don't hve kids in high school. You hve no clue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's you again. The wedding with all the GP and Gonzaga boys. We will talk again when you are a little older.

Oil and water won't mix regardless of what year it is or how old you are or I am.

This is about choosing sides.

Sorry you're so detached from reality.

If you are still going to wedding you (hopefully) don't hve kids in high school. You hve no clue.

Having one kid in high school doesn't make you an expert. I have been watching this phenomenon for years. I know what happens and how it works.

You chose sides for your son. Hope it works out for him with his new friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's you again. The wedding with all the GP and Gonzaga boys. We will talk again when you are a little older.

Oil and water won't mix regardless of what year it is or how old you are or I am.

This is about choosing sides.

Sorry you're so detached from reality.

If you are still going to wedding you (hopefully) don't hve kids in high school. You hve no clue.

Having one kid in high school doesn't make you an expert. I have been watching this phenomenon for years. I know what happens and how it works.

You chose sides for your son. Hope it works out for him with his new friends.

Funny, I am Irish and catholic and you thing I have 1 kid.

You don't represent we'll.

Éirinn go Brách

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's you again. The wedding with all the GP and Gonzaga boys. We will talk again when you are a little older.

Oil and water won't mix regardless of what year it is or how old you are or I am.

This is about choosing sides.

Sorry you're so detached from reality.

If you are still going to wedding you (hopefully) don't hve kids in high school. You hve no clue.

Having one kid in high school doesn't make you an expert. I have been watching this phenomenon for years. I know what happens and how it works.

You chose sides for your son. Hope it works out for him with his new friends.

Funny, I am Irish and catholic and you thing I have 1 kid.

You don't represent we'll.

Éirinn go Brách

That may be. But you are clearly out to the loop on this one.

You make your bed and you have to sleep in it.

[Anonymous]

The Irish are different from most Catholics because they share the Anglo Saxon history with WASP’s that have historically been the power group in this country. On one hand, the Irish despise the WASP’s who scorned them as a lesser group when they arrive en masse in this country. On the other hand, the Irish wanted to be included among the WASP elite – and had a plausible path to do so since they are similar in many respects. To be accepted among the WASP’s the Kennedy type Irish Catholics ever disassociated form the church or adopted a “lite” version of Catholicism that is hard to distinguish from the teachings of the Church of England (the Andrew Greely version of Catholicism that you’ll see in many Irish dominated parishes). The Irish Catholic/WASP interaction has been complex and manifests in two distinct ways: the insular Irish Catholics (one of whom is trolling this thread) and the WASP wannabe Catholics. The trend in recent years has been for Irish Catholics to leave the church in greater numbers than any other ethnicity and that trend should continue.

For persons with continental European heritage, the Anglo Saxons are not particularly impressive and it’s very unlikely that you’ll find an Italian Catholic, a French Catholic or a Central European Catholic that views the English as something to aspire to and the Irish Catholic obsession with the Protestants is fairly humorous. As a non-Irish Catholic with European background, I see both Georgetown Prep and Gonzaga as schools geared more toward indoctrinating another generation of insular Irish Americans and not so much as schools geared toward traditional Catholic education. That said, it seems that these two schools are not unique among American “Catholic” schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Irish are different from most Catholics because they share the Anglo Saxon history with WASP’s that have historically been the power group in this country. On one hand, the Irish despise the WASP’s who scorned them as a lesser group when they arrive en masse in this country. On the other hand, the Irish wanted to be included among the WASP elite – and had a plausible path to do so since they are similar in many respects. To be accepted among the WASP’s the Kennedy type Irish Catholics ever disassociated form the church or adopted a “lite” version of Catholicism that is hard to distinguish from the teachings of the Church of England (the Andrew Greely version of Catholicism that you’ll see in many Irish dominated parishes). The Irish Catholic/WASP interaction has been complex and manifests in two distinct ways: the insular Irish Catholics (one of whom is trolling this thread) and the WASP wannabe Catholics. The trend in recent years has been for Irish Catholics to leave the church in greater numbers than any other ethnicity and that trend should continue.

For persons with continental European heritage, the Anglo Saxons are not particularly impressive and it’s very unlikely that you’ll find an Italian Catholic, a French Catholic or a Central European Catholic that views the English as something to aspire to and the Irish Catholic obsession with the Protestants is fairly humorous. As a non-Irish Catholic with European background, I see both Georgetown Prep and Gonzaga as schools geared more toward indoctrinating another generation of insular Irish Americans and not so much as schools geared toward traditional Catholic education. That said, it seems that these two schools are not unique among American “Catholic” schools.

Until the arrival of the Irish in the 1840's and 1850's, Roman Catholicism was just another Christian sect. It was the Irish who spearheaded the movement for separate Catholic schools and separate Catholic clubs and Catholic everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Irish are different from most Catholics because they share the Anglo Saxon history with WASP’s that have historically been the power group in this country. On one hand, the Irish despise the WASP’s who scorned them as a lesser group when they arrive en masse in this country. On the other hand, the Irish wanted to be included among the WASP elite – and had a plausible path to do so since they are similar in many respects. To be accepted among the WASP’s the Kennedy type Irish Catholics ever disassociated form the church or adopted a “lite” version of Catholicism that is hard to distinguish from the teachings of the Church of England (the Andrew Greely version of Catholicism that you’ll see in many Irish dominated parishes). The Irish Catholic/WASP interaction has been complex and manifests in two distinct ways: the insular Irish Catholics (one of whom is trolling this thread) and the WASP wannabe Catholics. The trend in recent years has been for Irish Catholics to leave the church in greater numbers than any other ethnicity and that trend should continue.

For persons with continental European heritage, the Anglo Saxons are not particularly impressive and it’s very unlikely that you’ll find an Italian Catholic, a French Catholic or a Central European Catholic that views the English as something to aspire to and the Irish Catholic obsession with the Protestants is fairly humorous. As a non-Irish Catholic with European background, I see both Georgetown Prep and Gonzaga as schools geared more toward indoctrinating another generation of insular Irish Americans and not so much as schools geared toward traditional Catholic education. That said, it seems that these two schools are not unique among American “Catholic” schools.

Until the arrival of the Irish in the 1840's and 1850's, Roman Catholicism was just another Christian sect. It was the Irish who spearheaded the movement for separate Catholic schools and separate Catholic clubs and Catholic everything.

The number of Catholics in the US grew tremendously in that time frame due to 1) westward expansion into majority catholic territories and 2) European immigration. There was an equal amount of Irish and German immigration in the mid-1800's followed by Italian and Polish immigration. Germans placed the greatest emphasis on education of any of these groups - introducing the concept of kindergarten to America. Each group was insular in some ways, but it is true the Irish placed a greater emphasis on preserving a separate Catholic identity. Many German immigrants were socialist or at least strong proponents of what we would today call "Big Government" - so they would ten to push for pubic schooling.

[Anonymous]

German Americans were quite insular until WW I. There were distinctive German-language communities, called "Germania" throughout the Midwest in cities like Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Cleveland schools had what we now call two-way immersion programs: school taught half in German, half in English. German was in a similar position as the Spanish language is in the 20th and 21st century - the most widespread foreign language. Until 1917, a German version of the "The Star-Spangled Banner" was still being sung in some public schools. The transition to the English language was abrupt. After World War One the German language was seldom heard in public; most newspapers and magazines closed; churches and parochial schools switched to English. German Americans became the biggest proponents of assimilation. Today, German remains the largest ethnicity in America, but the German American population is so thoroughly assimilated the cultural impact is hard to distinguish apart from beer and hamburgers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:German Americans were quite insular until WW I. There were distinctive German-language communities, called "Germania" throughout the Midwest in cities like Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Cleveland schools had what we now call two-way immersion programs: school taught half in German, half in English. German was in a similar position as the Spanish language is in the 20th and 21st century - the most widespread foreign language. Until 1917, a German version of the "The Star-Spangled Banner" was still being sung in some public schools. The transition to the English language was abrupt. After World War One the German language was seldom heard in public; most newspapers and magazines closed; churches and parochial schools switched to English. German Americans became the biggest proponents of assimilation. Today, German remains the largest ethnicity in America, but the German American population is so thoroughly assimilated the cultural impact is hard to distinguish apart from beer and hamburgers.

I just spent a couple of months in Germany. And Germany, more than any other European country, is similar to the US on many levels. So much so that it may be that the Germans weren't assimilated into the US but that it was the other way around.

When the GI's in WWII got to Germany after plodding through France and Italy, they were surprised at how similar German life was to that they were used to in the US.

I don;t know what the percentage of Germans that are Catholic is. I suspect its small. The Evangelische church seems to dominate

[Anonymous]

The percentage of Catholics in Germany overall is comparatively small, but the percentage in southern Germany (Bavaria) and Austria is very high and those are the regions where the ancestors of many German Americans came from in the mid to late 1800's. Lots of German Catholics in the Mid-West.

To your broader point, this might explain why so much of America seems similar to Germany: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.svg