Compacted 4/5 math

[Anonymous]

The letter says that some accomodations (different class room setting or attending a class in a middle school nearby) may be offered to students who need more challenging work. Does this mean that HGC will offer more advanced/accelerated classes to qualified students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DC is accepted to HGC and qualified for compacted 4/5 math. Almost all the kids who are going to HGC received the score of 48 (maximum).

How do you know the scores of the other HGC students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It stands to reason that MCPS would want a full 4/5 class in each school. If less than a full class, then the school would be using the resource (a teacher) on just a few kids. That won't fly in MCPS. I would think that might mean that schools would have either a full 4/5 class or maybe no 4/5 class. I just can't imagine MCPS allowing a math teacher to teach, say, 5 or 6 kids this advanced math while the rest of the kids all crowd into another math class.

The letter mentioned that the method of delivering the 4/5 class would depend on how many students expressed interest, but some options mentioned were -- going to local middle school or another elementary school, delivering via distance learning with other students, etc.

So, I don't think it's necessarily the case that schools will push to have full 4/5 classes even when not enough kids qualified to make a full class.

I was a little surprised, because my child needs the acceleration, but I can't imagine DC doing well if the instruction is delivered via online distance learning at this age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"My DC is accepted to HGC and qualified for compacted 4/5 math. Almost all the kids who are going to HGC received the score of 48 (maximum)."

How do you know?

The kids told their scores to each other. They do this all the time.

My DC is going to an HGC next year. But, the letter we got about 4/5 math was sent from his home school. Does this mean she will be in the 4/5 at the HGC or does it just mean she qualifies for 4/5 at the home school. Is it possible that the requirements for the HGC 4/5 class are higher? For the record, she did not get the maximum score of 48, but she reached the benchmark. Thanks.

I was told by a principal that if a student qualified for 4/5 at one school, but ended up going to a different one for whatever reason, then the recommendation for 4/5 will be honored. I think this applies to HGC also.

[Anonymous]

Rock Creek Forest notified on Tuesday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"My DC is accepted to HGC and qualified for compacted 4/5 math. Almost all the kids who are going to HGC received the score of 48 (maximum)."

How do you know?

The kids told their scores to each other. They do this all the time.

My DC is going to an HGC next year. But, the letter we got about 4/5 math was sent from his home school. Does this mean she will be in the 4/5 at the HGC or does it just mean she qualifies for 4/5 at the home school. Is it possible that the requirements for the HGC 4/5 class are higher? For the record, she did not get the maximum score of 48, but she reached the benchmark. Thanks.

I was told by a principal that if a student qualified for 4/5 at one school, but ended up going to a different one for whatever reason, then the recommendation for 4/5 will be honored. I think this applies to HGC also.

This is what we were told by the HGC, that the home school would test and that would determine the placement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't consider 5th grader as being held back. Current 3rd grader has been held back in comparison to the 5th grader.

+ 1 - My 5th grader took IM this year and will be taking Algebra in 6th grade. My 3rd grader was accelerated in K and 1st, then repeated the same curriculum in 2nd when 2.0 is rolled out. He has now been recommended for 4/5 math next year but this will only put him on par for Algebra by Grade 8.

Could my 3rd grade have been accelerated further if the opportunity were allowed? Sure. He just can't under the current system. He isn't allowed to test to measure how accelerated he currently is. Could he be placed higher than 4/5 grade math that they have proposed next year? Sure if the school system would open the doors to the opportunity and test his full ability. My child does independent math workbooks at home because he was bored with what he received at school and as a result, he is much farther ahead than what he is being taught at school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't consider 5th grader as being held back. Current 3rd grader has been held back in comparison to the 5th grader.

+ 1 - My 5th grader took IM this year and will be taking Algebra in 6th grade. My 3rd grader was accelerated in K and 1st, then repeated the same curriculum in 2nd when 2.0 is rolled out. He has now been recommended for 4/5 math next year but this will only put him on par for Algebra by Grade 8.

Could my 3rd grade have been accelerated further if the opportunity were allowed? Sure. He just can't under the current system. He isn't allowed to test to measure how accelerated he currently is. Could he be placed higher than 4/5 grade math that they have proposed next year? Sure if the school system would open the doors to the opportunity and test his full ability. My child does independent math workbooks at home because he was bored with what he received at school and as a result, he is much farther ahead than what he is being taught at school.

MCPS says that those in the compacted curriculum will reach Algebra in grade 7.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/waysidees/principal/Attachment%20C%20-%20Math%20FAQ.pdf

"Who are the few? How do we identify Grade 3 students who will be ready for the Grade 4/5 compacted mathematics course?
Students who are consistently proficient in all grade level curriculum and consistently proficient in all of the weekly acceleration and enrichment opportunities may be considered among “the few.” These students will likely complete Algebra 1 by Grade 7, meaning that students entering the compacted curriculum are more proximate to current Grade 4 students in Grade 6 Math than Grade 4 students in Grade 5 Math."

[Anonymous]

My read of this is that option will only be available to those students currently doing the old curriculum and are 5 graders taking Math 7. That will not happen again under 2.0

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My read of this is that option will only be available to those students currently doing the old curriculum and are 5 graders taking Math 7. That will not happen again under 2.0

No this is specific to current third graders. It's clear from the math brochure that if they are in the compacted curriculum they will reach algebra in 7th.

[Anonymous]

Under 2.0, children who take Math 4/5 in 4th grade will take Algebra I in 7th grade. Children who take Math 4 in 4th grade will take Algebra I in 8th grade.

Under Math Pathways, as I understand it, there were a very few children who took Algebra I in 6th grade. That's what won't happen under 2.0.

[Anonymous]

From the MCPS website...

What is the design of the compacted courses?

The content of 12 marking periods (Math 4, 5, 6) is kept in sequence and compacted into the eight marking periods across Grades 4 and 5.

At the end of 5th grade they will be 1 year ahead. That means Math 7 in 6th grade, IM in 7th grade and Algebrain 8th grade.

To get to Algebra in 7th grade you have to get through Math 7 in 5th grade or skip IM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't consider 5th grader as being held back. Current 3rd grader has been held back in comparison to the 5th grader.

+ 1 - My 5th grader took IM this year and will be taking Algebra in 6th grade. My 3rd grader was accelerated in K and 1st, then repeated the same curriculum in 2nd when 2.0 is rolled out. He has now been recommended for 4/5 math next year but this will only put him on par for Algebra by Grade 8.

Could my 3rd grade have been accelerated further if the opportunity were allowed? Sure. He just can't under the current system. He isn't allowed to test to measure how accelerated he currently is. Could he be placed higher than 4/5 grade math that they have proposed next year? Sure if the school system would open the doors to the opportunity and test his full ability. My child does independent math workbooks at home because he was bored with what he received at school and as a result, he is much farther ahead than what he is being taught at school.

MCPS says that those in the compacted curriculum will reach Algebra in grade 7.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/waysidees/principal/Attachment%20C%20-%20Math%20FAQ.pdf

"Who are the few? How do we identify Grade 3 students who will be ready for the Grade 4/5 compacted mathematics course?
Students who are consistently proficient in all grade level curriculum and consistently proficient in all of the weekly acceleration and enrichment opportunities may be considered among “the few.” These students will likely complete Algebra 1 by Grade 7, meaning that students entering the compacted curriculum are more proximate to current Grade 4 students in Grade 6 Math than Grade 4 students in Grade 5 Math."

Maybe my school is not with the same program as Wayside or our principal made a typo with her letter. My parent letter specifically states kids taking the compacted Math 4/5 will be on track for Algebra by Grade 8.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the MCPS website...

What is the design of the compacted courses?

The content of 12 marking periods (Math 4, 5, 6) is kept in sequence and compacted into the eight marking periods across Grades 4 and 5.

At the end of 5th grade they will be 1 year ahead. That means Math 7 in 6th grade, IM in 7th grade and Algebrain 8th grade.

To get to Algebra in 7th grade you have to get through Math 7 in 5th grade or skip IM.

The chart in the math brochure clearly shows that they will get to algebra in 7th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the MCPS website...

What is the design of the compacted courses?

The content of 12 marking periods (Math 4, 5, 6) is kept in sequence and compacted into the eight marking periods across Grades 4 and 5.

At the end of 5th grade they will be 1 year ahead. That means Math 7 in 6th grade, IM in 7th grade and Algebrain 8th grade.

To get to Algebra in 7th grade you have to get through Math 7 in 5th grade or skip IM.

I may be wrong (I often am) but aren't they phasing IM out? I thought the theory was IM was introduced because they allegedly moved so quickly in math that they needed IM as a "catch up" review of math concepts. Under this "deeper understanding", the theory is that they won't need that.