Circumcise tomorrow ....what to expect

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Men are born imperfect and need to have pieces cut off in order to make them "okay" for women's standards.

Honestly, I think it's awesome that we subject newborn males to this. Shows them that women are in charge (and genetically superior since we aren't born flawed this way) from the very start. Circumcision is just radically overthrowing the patriarchy. Take that, men!

We didn't circ our boy but love this post - very funny. I love the notion of racically overthrowing the patriarchy!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Op here. I didn't do it at birth, bc ds was born somewhat jaundicedandminor breathing issues, so his ped did it today at 13 days old. I talked to the ped about who normally gets this done. He said more than half the boys born in us hospitals, and not just Jewish or Muslim people, but parents for a wide variety of health benefits. He went on to explain those to me. That is why hospitals perform them generally right after birth, bc it's requested so often and so it's easiest to do it there. In other countries, like Canada that's not the case, with approx, 1/3 of parents requesting it.

See..this is why circumcision of newborns should not be allowed. OP, you sound completely uninformed and a bit uneducated. You admit to knowing almost nothing about the procedure, yet you subject your son to mutilation. From your posts, it appears that you did no independent research *on your own*, but instead let doctors (who are paid for the service) dictate what you should do with your child's body.

Did you watch videos of the procedure? See pictures? Did you do ANY independent research before arbitrarily mutilating your son's body without his consent?

For god's sake, SHUT UP ALREADY. Go back to the lawn of the Capitol with your insane "Circumcision is Torture" signs and allow people to point and laugh at you as they walk by rather than annoying everyone here on DCUM.

You do your POV a disservice with your immature rant. All you've proven is that you have no point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tomorrow I'm going to brand my son with a large cross on his left arm. His dad has one just like it and I don't want him to wonder why his arm looks different from daddy's. Plus, if we do it young, he won't feel the pain as much. Everyone in my culture does this so I don't want my baby to be left out.

What should I do to take care of him? Will be be in pain? They said they use anesthetic before they place the hot metal on him. In my culture they say that it has health benefits and will ward away evil spirits, plus, it will help him keep his arm clean.

Oh please. Do you really want to start making moral judgements about this customary religious practice?. At least it's the only time you ever hear about our religious figures touching a child's penis.

I didn't reference religion and wasn't talking about religion at all. Actually I think that circumcision for religious reasons is much more legitimate than the bullshit cultural reasons "looking like daddy" that most people use. It's still child abuse though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one has regretted circ but the opposite often happens

I completely disagree.

I am one of six children. We are Jewish. My oldest brother was circumcised but neither of my other brothers were because my father realized that religion should never trump the welfare of a child.

I bet I could find a lot more parents who regret cutting of their babies forskin, than your claim.

My father in law also strongly regretted the circumcisions of his sons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From the American Academy of Pediatrics
Policy Statement
Circumcision Policy Statement
TASK FORCE ON CIRCUMCISION
ABSTRACT

Male circumcision is a common procedure, generally performed during the newborn period in the United States. In 2007, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) formed a multidisciplinary task force of AAP members and other stakeholders to evaluate the recent evidence on male circumcision and update the Academy’s 1999 recommendations in this area. Evaluation of current evidence indicates that the health benefits of newborn male circumcision outweigh the risks and that the procedure’s benefits justify access to this procedure for families who choose it. Specific benefits identified included prevention of urinary tract infections, penile cancer, and transmission of some sexually transmitted infections, including HIV. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists has endorsed this statement.

Thank you for posting this. This is a personal decision made by parents for various reasons, not the least of which is that it has been identified as beneficial by the AAP. If you disagree with this choice, I trust you won't make it for your own child. Your proselytizing is not appreciated and more than likely a waste of your time and ours as readers. It is also incredibly offensive to parents who made the decision to circumcise based on sound medical advice or religious beliefs (I happen to fall into both categories). This should be a forum where parents support other parents and constructively discuss issues that arise doing one of the hardest jobs on the planet and when you use it to judge and condemn others, you undermine what could be an incredibly valuable resource. What a shame.

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The posts switching male for female are not relevant. There is no comparison between male and female circumcision. Both the AAP and the WHO highlight the benefits of male circumcision.
Medical studies back this up
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/malecircumcision/

I circumcised my two sons for religious reasons and for the health benefits. It was a rational choice, not based on tradition/religious reasons alone. If the medical evidence demonstrated that it caused harm I would not have done it.

Health benefits? Unless your son is a serial rapist who doesn't use protection, there are no health benefits for him. It is unbelievable the lengths people will go to in order to reassure themselves it is ok to mutilate their child's genitals. Unbelievable and unconscionable.

What are you talking about? Do you actually read the medical studies? the recommendations of the World Health Organization? You can choose to ignore inconvenient facts if you want to, but don't act like those of us who make a responsible, reasonable choice are idiotic monsters who enjoy inflicting harm on their children.

On another note, if circumcision really caused enormous problems for men and their sexual abilities do you really think men would allow it to continue?

They don't outside of the US. But the US is best and only the US knows how? Is that right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Op here. I didn't do it at birth, bc ds was born somewhat jaundicedandminor breathing issues, so his ped did it today at 13 days old. I talked to the ped about who normally gets this done. He said more than half the boys born in us hospitals, and not just Jewish or Muslim people, but parents for a wide variety of health benefits. He went on to explain those to me. That is why hospitals perform them generally right after birth, bc it's requested so often and so it's easiest to do it there. In other countries, like Canada that's not the case, with approx, 1/3 of parents requesting it.

See..this is why circumcision of newborns should not be allowed. OP, you sound completely uninformed and a bit uneducated. You admit to knowing almost nothing about the procedure, yet you subject your son to mutilation. From your posts, it appears that you did no independent research *on your own*, but instead let doctors (who are paid for the service) dictate what you should do with your child's body.

Did you watch videos of the procedure? See pictures? Did you do ANY independent research before arbitrarily mutilating your son's body without his consent?

For god's sake, SHUT UP ALREADY. Go back to the lawn of the Capitol with your insane "Circumcision is Torture" signs and allow people to point and laugh at you as they walk by rather than annoying everyone here on DCUM.

Seemed like a pretty reasonable point to me, and a neutral one. Maybe people shouldn't make medical decisions based on DCUM threads.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tomorrow I'm going to brand my son with a large cross on his left arm. His dad has one just like it and I don't want him to wonder why his arm looks different from daddy's. Plus, if we do it young, he won't feel the pain as much. Everyone in my culture does this so I don't want my baby to be left out.

What should I do to take care of him? Will be be in pain? They said they use anesthetic before they place the hot metal on him. In my culture they say that it has health benefits and will ward away evil spirits, plus, it will help him keep his arm clean.

Oh please. Do you really want to start making moral judgements about this customary religious practice?. At least it's the only time you ever hear about our religious figures touching a child's penis.

I didn't reference religion and wasn't talking about religion at all. Actually I think that circumcision for religious reasons is much more legitimate than the bullshit cultural reasons "looking like daddy" that most people use. It's still child abuse though.

I agree. If somebody does it for religious reasons, I still think it's wrong, I still think poor child, but I think, well, they're religious and believe it's right. What is aggravating, however, is people trying to justify it on secular grounds.

[Anonymous]

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Really -- so what about all those Muslims in the rest of the world who also circumcized and their doctors?

Please give it up. There are some things that are legitimately left to families to decide -- and this is one of them.

And, yes, I am against female genital mutilation because it is a completely different and much much much more drastic procedure.

It's actually not. There is a very drastic form which often gets press, but the most common form is exactly the same. Look it up. Not only that but the arguments in favor are EXACTLY the same e.g. it's cleaner, she'll look like mommy, there are health benefits etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Op here. I didn't do it at birth, bc ds was born somewhat jaundicedandminor breathing issues, so his ped did it today at 13 days old. I talked to the ped about who normally gets this done. He said more than half the boys born in us hospitals, and not just Jewish or Muslim people, but parents for a wide variety of health benefits. He went on to explain those to me. That is why hospitals perform them generally right after birth, bc it's requested so often and so it's easiest to do it there. In other countries, like Canada that's not the case, with approx, 1/3 of parents requesting it.

See..this is why circumcision of newborns should not be allowed. OP, you sound completely uninformed and a bit uneducated. You admit to knowing almost nothing about the procedure, yet you subject your son to mutilation. From your posts, it appears that you did no independent research *on your own*, but instead let doctors (who are paid for the service) dictate what you should do with your child's body.

Did you watch videos of the procedure? See pictures? Did you do ANY independent research before arbitrarily mutilating your son's body without his consent?

For god's sake, SHUT UP ALREADY. Go back to the lawn of the Capitol with your insane "Circumcision is Torture" signs and allow people to point and laugh at you as they walk by rather than annoying everyone here on DCUM.

YOU are annoyed, not everybody on DCUM. You might even be in the minority by now because the numbers of people who do not circumcise are rising.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would have no problem locking any parent who allows their sons or daughters to be circumcised in prison.

No qualms at all.

Totally agree. And the doctors who perform unnecessary cosmetic surgery on babies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would have no problem locking any parent who allows their sons or daughters to be circumcised in prison.

No qualms at all.

Totally agree. And the doctors who perform unnecessary cosmetic surgery on babies.

Without proper anesthesia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would have no problem locking any parent who allows their sons or daughters to be circumcised in prison.

No qualms at all.

Same.

Well, we obviously don't have the laws to justify that, and even in other Western countries where routine circumcision is not recommended it is not illegal (although there have recently been efforts in several Western European countries to outlaw it). It would just be good if Americans realized that they are ALONE among Western civilized nations in clinging to this practice, and that cultural bias is the real reason why US medical professionals advocate its routine performance. That might speed up the process of abandoning circumcision as a routine intervention in this country as well.

Sure we do. It is called child abuse. Do you think for a second that someone who cut their baby's nose or ear or elbow with a knife wouldnt be thrown in jail? Doesn't seem that unreasonable to extend the same standards to protect a child's genitals.

Yep, if anyone cut my son's penis they would absolutely be in jail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the American Academy of Pediatrics
Policy Statement
Circumcision Policy Statement
TASK FORCE ON CIRCUMCISION
ABSTRACT

Male circumcision is a common procedure, generally performed during the newborn period in the United States. In 2007, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) formed a multidisciplinary task force of AAP members and other stakeholders to evaluate the recent evidence on male circumcision and update the Academy’s 1999 recommendations in this area. Evaluation of current evidence indicates that the health benefits of newborn male circumcision outweigh the risks and that the procedure’s benefits justify access to this procedure for families who choose it. Specific benefits identified included prevention of urinary tract infections, penile cancer, and transmission of some sexually transmitted infections, including HIV. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists has endorsed this statement.

Thank you for posting this. This is a personal decision made by parents for various reasons, not the least of which is that it has been identified as beneficial by the AAP. If you disagree with this choice, I trust you won't make it for your own child. Your proselytizing is not appreciated and more than likely a waste of your time and ours as readers. It is also incredibly offensive to parents who made the decision to circumcise based on sound medical advice or religious beliefs (I happen to fall into both categories). This should be a forum where parents support other parents and constructively discuss issues that arise doing one of the hardest jobs on the planet and when you use it to judge and condemn others, you undermine what could be an incredibly valuable resource. What a shame.

+1

The posts switching male for female are not relevant. There is no comparison between male and female circumcision. Both the AAP and the WHO highlight the benefits of male circumcision.
Medical studies back this up
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/malecircumcision/

I circumcised my two sons for religious reasons and for the health benefits. It was a rational choice, not based on tradition/religious reasons alone. If the medical evidence demonstrated that it caused harm I would not have done it.

Health benefits? Unless your son is a serial rapist who doesn't use protection, there are no health benefits for him. It is unbelievable the lengths people will go to in order to reassure themselves it is ok to mutilate their child's genitals. Unbelievable and unconscionable.

WOW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here. I didn't do it at birth, bc ds was born somewhat jaundicedandminor breathing issues, so his ped did it today at 13 days old. I talked to the ped about who normally gets this done. He said more than half the boys born in us hospitals, and not just Jewish or Muslim people, but parents for a wide variety of health benefits. He went on to explain those to me. That is why hospitals perform them generally right after birth, bc it's requested so often and so it's easiest to do it there. In other countries, like Canada that's not the case, with approx, 1/3 of parents requesting it.

See..this is why circumcision of newborns should not be allowed. OP, you sound completely uninformed and a bit uneducated. You admit to knowing almost nothing about the procedure, yet you subject your son to mutilation. From your posts, it appears that you did no independent research *on your own*, but instead let doctors (who are paid for the service) dictate what you should do with your child's body.

Did you watch videos of the procedure? See pictures? Did you do ANY independent research before arbitrarily mutilating your son's body without his consent?

For god's sake, SHUT UP ALREADY. Go back to the lawn of the Capitol with your insane "Circumcision is Torture" signs and allow people to point and laugh at you as they walk by rather than annoying everyone here on DCUM.

You do your POV a disservice with your immature rant. All you've proven is that you have no point.

Which is also proven by the fact that none of the pro-circers have had a good response to the observation that the US is the ONLY western country whose medical community endorses routine circumcision (although even the AAP does NOT recommend it as a routine practice, they merely say insurance should pay for it if parents want it).

[Anonymous]

I'm a guy. I'm circ'd. I wouldn't have it any other way.


Also, if you choose not to have the procedure done on your son, prepare for the day the other kids make fun of him in the locker room at school. I remember telling this to a mom, and she was stunned that adolescent boys would compare their genitals and make fun of each other. I told her she clearly had never spent much time around adolescent boys.

I take the view that it's up to the parent. Yes, there are health benefits. And yes, there are cultural biases. But the absolute vitriol with which people talk on here -- YOUR KID IS A SERIAL RAPIST! YOU SHOULD GO TO PRISON! -- is just, well, disappointing.