Given the rigor of Basis, was it ever expected to be for every kid in the District?
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| Hi, where does DCPS send kids to? I am honestly curious? Can you name the schools or institutions? |
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An earlier poster alluded to the fact that most students who leave charters are "self-selected." That is very true. However, that is after a lot of counseling on the part of the school. It is definitely an advantage that charter schools have, and it works well for those who have waiting lists.
The more enforcement a charter brings to bear on families regarding attendance, student behavior, grades and promotion, the better the charter performs. The better performance creates more demand. And on and on it goes. Higher expectations + enforcement + counseling out = better performance. You dig? |
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To 16:21, Previous posters have also alluded to the fact that culture also plays a big part in all of it. For example, the parents who have no problem getting their kid to sports activities but cannot be bothered with free tutoring and academic help. At best, academics is not promoted - and at worst, there is anti-intellectualism as DCUM posters have also noted.
There's a lot more to it that's deeply cultural than what schools are or are not doing. |
Anonymous
kids drop out at 14, 15 16 They go to GED programs, or the streets I am not sure where the ones actively removed go -- Oak Hill? |
Anonymous
Ugh. How can you not see the flaws in what you are saying? Where do those aggressive violent kids go? DCPS, that's where! There is no magic cure, and trust me when one of those kids ends up in your classroom, there is no sweeping it under the rug. I do not have a cure, as schools should not be the front line for generational poverty. Just saying that the charter response of removing them from school, is passing the problem on. Fine thing to do, but just acknowledge it. |
Anonymous
Are you a teacher? This is incredibly difficult to do and means that you have to let other things slide in your teaching. |
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It's a flaw to point out that charters expel criminally violent students and not have a solution for dealing with them, but it's perfectly fine and no flaw to point out that DCPS schools basically just passes the problem on to society and has no solution either? I also disagree with the whole structure of this argument and here's how it's to be reversed: The beauty of having charters is that there is are opportunities, there are choices that can be made. Students that behave poorly, that do not make their education a priority are making a choice. As I see it, they are exercising their choice to go back to DCPS if they behave badly or don't do the work. The charters are the ones OPENING doors to a wide and diverse range of students. It's the students who are slamming those doors shut on themselves - most will do well - it's typically less than a single digit percentage that get kicked back to DCPS from charter schools in a given year. DCPS represents the status quo, it's where they would have been anyways, had there been no charters. |
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OP, here. I can empathize with a teacher in DCPS who might wince when hearing a kid that was in a charter is now going to be in their class, if their experience is that these kids are often the trouble makers and will add to the cohort of like minded trouble makers in the class already, making an impossible even more so. the teacher might feel dumped on. And, the easiest target for frustration might by the charter, or the system that allows charter schools in general to offload these kids.
At the same time, the bureaucracy of DCPS should be also considered as it is in the best position to solve this problem. Trouble makers should not be allowed in any DCPS classroom. In practice, does a DCPS teacher have recourse to suspend and expel bullies? If PP who wants an admission that charters are offloading problems to DCPS is a teacher, an honest and full answer would be welcome. Thanks in advance for your candor. |
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to 18:52
Yes I am a teacher and a recruiter. I do it all the time in order to accommodate my kids. It is quite tiring but not impossible. There is so little direct instruction these days in public schools. Teachers prepare structured lessons but most of the time it is some form of independent work (at their desk with a paper or in cooperative groups or some kind of research where the teacher is the "facilitator". The way students are taught in publics and charters is so much different than the way students are taught in privates. Do you think parents who pay all that money will accept it when their kid comes home with homework not having a clue what to do? A couple days ago my middle schooler came home with science homework. I helped him quite a bit but there were a few problem I was not sure how to solve. I called a physics teacher who works in a very well regarded private high school. He was quite surprised and said these was more of an AP physics problems to students who had studied mechanics for at least a year. Maybe there are one or 2 students in my child's class who are able to do very high level work. But what about the rest? |
Anonymous
16:21 here. I concur with one exception. Some parents can't even be bothered to get their children to sports activities or to be there to cheer the team. Culture is definitely a problem, and it's one that sometimes crosses class lines. |
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Exactly. And... |
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...and this. Together. |
Anonymous
| It's not trickle-down theory. It's a willingness to be colorblind and give all kids, black or white, low or high SES, what they need to succeed. |
Anonymous
| But only if the child wants to succeed. That's a big if. |