Why GenZ isn't dating

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Anonymous wrote:Young women spend as much time or more online. What are they looking at? Who is influencing them? I’m sure it’s not all good wholesome entertainment.

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So many of the Gen Z influencers have injections, implants and veneers. At least the young female celebrities in the 90s kept their original faces until they were older.

Yep. I follow my friend's daughter, who is a minor influencer. She is objectively GORGEOUS. But she's hooked on lip fillers. I always think her next session is going to put her over the edge into duck lips.

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Anonymous wrote:Young women spend as much time or more online. What are they looking at? Who is influencing them? I’m sure it’s not all good wholesome entertainment.

Trad wive influencers, skincare* influencers, wellness influencers, fitness** influencers

*injectables

**eating disorders/meds

So many of the Gen Z influencers have injections, implants and veneers. At least the young female celebrities in the 90s kept their original faces until they were older.

Yep. I follow my friend's daughter, who is a minor influencer. She is objectively GORGEOUS. But she's hooked on lip fillers. I always think her next session is going to put her over the edge into duck lips.

That generation has mass body dysmorphia. I think it is from being photographed too much and having to display the photographs publicly.

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Anonymous wrote:This NYT "thought piece" I think is giving way too much credence to fringe behavior by positioning it as mainstream. What say you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/03/opinion/gen-z-dating-clavicular.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QVA.a3NV.5apj7_Wu0kSD&smid=url-share

My kids are GenZ. They're dating. I don't know any boys doing this looksmaxx BS. Am I wrong or is this article just complete BS and out of step with the zeitgeist?

As a Gen Z male who is around "looksmaxxers" and who is very familiar with it, including following Clavicular from before he was mainstream the truth is that there's a small percentage of men who are sleeping with an absurd amount of women and then a much larger percentage of men and women who are not sleeping around at all.

I am friends with guys who are "looksmaxxers" who've slept with hundreds of women before 25 because they're active on Apps and in person. What used to take years of learning how to get a girl into bed started from we were around 14 and then we were on the apps before we were 18 (kicked off a few times) then redownloaded for good at 18 then it was game over. Reason being is quite simple: in a second or two to look at a profile women who have much greater control of their choice of who they want to sleep with (and believe me they do want to sleep around still) will choose the top 1-3% of guys on the app. Those 1-3% of the guys will earn a disproportionate amount of likes. I say this because I've been on it and slept with multiple women in a day depending on the week from the app.

Then you go out to club and a bar 2-4 times a week and meet girls there and you're talking scheduling issues because you're sleeping around so much. Again, this is much easier if you're in the top 1-3% of guys because women who used to think you were out of their league have a false impression of how attractive they are because they receive an outsourced amount of attention online.

I've since stopped sleeping around and I am not proud of it but I am still in close contact with guys who are active in these circles and the behavior is now repulsive to me (group chats bragging about who's going to sleep with the most girls for the week, sending nudes of girls etc). Horrible horrible stuff that isn't nearly talked about enough is going on in the Gen Z dating world. The worst part is, is that a lot of these women are misled that the sexual revolution and them sleeping around is empowering when I've seen and heard these girls cry first hand about why I and or a friend ghosted them after a one night stand (sorry you were just a number for me to try beat my friends for who got the most girls for the week). Then recorded her crying from another phone and sent into the GC to laugh at.

If I was someone who knew of this happening and wasn't attractive/etc. I would simply stop dating, which is what I suspect is happening to a lot of Gen Z

What makes you think you're in the top 1-3% and by what objective parameters is this measured? It sounds as if you think that a man who can get multiple women to sleep with him in a short period of time is in the top 1-3%. But if a man is pinging hundreds of women to get dozens of dates and have sex 5 times a week, what does that say about him beyond that he has a lot of time on his hands and isn't choosy?

Your generation is very strange. You've layered a veneer of "science" over absolute nonsense.

No defender of the PP, and it sounds like he isn't a defender of himself either. However, what he is saying makes sense with data that is coming in about how fruitless dating is on the apps for most men. The data is consistent with the idea that "matches" are very heavily skewed toward a tiny proportion of men--1-3% being a realistic number based on what I have read for the percentage of men experiencing high yield from dating apps.

'Twas ever thus. Social mores in the past constrained this behavior. For instance, the 90s star quarterback slept around some, but not with hundreds of women. Now he has access to an almost infinite pool.

Again, is there any evidence that these are the most desirable men as opposed to the men who are the most active? Is there any data on how many profiles men in the "top 1-3%" are swiping on versus men in whatever counts as the bottom?

I don't know how old you are, but anyone over 40 should remember that the bar pickup scene used to be dominated by men who weren't the smartest, most handsome, or most fun, but rather made the most time to hit the bars every single day and hit on every woman in sight. For instance, my roommate in my 20s was a 5'8, 150 lb super extravert who would have sex with any woman of any race under a size 16 and younger than age 45. He probably ran through 5 to 10 women a week sometimes. To say he was top 1-3% of men based on this would be stupid.

Sex is a numbers game first and foremost. So, how is this "data" distinguishing between men who live on the app and swipe on every other girl to play the odds versus men who are truly desirable to women?

You are proving PP's point. "super extravert" and physical presence (industriously hitting the bars) does not communicate on the apps, so that guys is never in the running.

I don't know how to help you understand that the analog of the super extrovert bar guy is the guy who sits on the apps swiping on hundreds of profiles in a short period of time. They're both playing a numbers game. Their yield has less to do with their desirability and everything to do with the sheer volume of attempts. I've explained this three times now

You could say it three hundred times but it wouldn't become less stupid. It's like this is your first time learning about any of this. Swiping takes seconds. It is not an analog to being at the bar.

I keep forgetting that common core destroyed a whole generation's reading comprehension. Enjoy your day.

You clearly have no idea what common core was, nor did it last for a whole generation.

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GenX grew up during the peak of violent crime. For all people complain about crime these days, it was way worse in the 80s and 90s.

Not that this should have much to do with GenZ dating.

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The younger generation of men have been black pilled on women thanks to social media and online dating. Women aren’t exactly helping. All this negative talk about men saying they aren’t needed and you’re an unattractive loser unless you’re 6ft 2 with a 500k income and 8 inch member (women are the ones saying this) has become amplified on the internet. You can say men have changed but young women have changed too.

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Anonymous wrote:Young women spend as much time or more online. What are they looking at? Who is influencing them? I’m sure it’s not all good wholesome entertainment.

Trad wive influencers, skincare* influencers, wellness influencers, fitness** influencers

*injectables

**eating disorders/meds

So many of the Gen Z influencers have injections, implants and veneers. At least the young female celebrities in the 90s kept their original faces until they were older.

I went to my injector last week and she mentioned she has numerous clients in college. That seems SO young, what lines are they even treating?! And where are they getting the money for it??

If I had to guess it’s preventative Botox so they never get the lines, lip fillers, and “facial balancing” with is supposed to make their 19 year old facial features more even.

So is it trauma from Gen. X parents because their dysmorphia is being fed from somewhere and their parents are the ones who are giving them money to do all this all these surgeries or fillers or Botox etc. Because it seems that you dcum Gen x is paying for your kids surgeries and you're also going to their job interviews now and calling up places for them to help them find a job or even a boyfriend in some cases. I am a millennial although an older one and I don't have kids but I think that goes too far. My Boomer parents never did that for me and they couldn't even speak English so I could never rely on them for that. So it's just crazy what what generation x is doing for their kids. I think the problem starts with the parents and that is you DCUM

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Young women spend as much time or more online. What are they looking at? Who is influencing them? I’m sure it’s not all good wholesome entertainment.

Trad wive influencers, skincare* influencers, wellness influencers, fitness** influencers

*injectables

**eating disorders/meds

So many of the Gen Z influencers have injections, implants and veneers. At least the young female celebrities in the 90s kept their original faces until they were older.

Yep. I follow my friend's daughter, who is a minor influencer. She is objectively GORGEOUS. But she's hooked on lip fillers. I always think her next session is going to put her over the edge into duck lips.

She's not gorgeous but she is obsessed with surgeries and with AI filter. Unless you see her in real life, it will probably be jarring to see her in real life.

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Anonymous wrote:The younger generation of men have been black pilled on women thanks to social media and online dating. Women aren’t exactly helping. All this negative talk about men saying they aren’t needed and you’re an unattractive loser unless you’re 6ft 2 with a 500k income and 8 inch member (women are the ones saying this) has become amplified on the internet. You can say men have changed but young women have changed too.

You have to wonder though about these young women who say that. Who the heck would want to be with a woman who has taken a lot of 8 in members? Hot dog in the hallway. Anyone?

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I’m a woman in my 40s and I’ve been with couple men who were 7-8’ by now.
Do these young women realize that intercourse can be very painful with such a big D? Especially if he’s not very good in it and just slams you….

Small to mid size is best for female pleasure . G spot is not that deep

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The younger generation of men have been black pilled on women thanks to social media and online dating. Women aren’t exactly helping. All this negative talk about men saying they aren’t needed and you’re an unattractive loser unless you’re 6ft 2 with a 500k income and 8 inch member (women are the ones saying this) has become amplified on the internet. You can say men have changed but young women have changed too.

You have to wonder though about these young women who say that. Who the heck would want to be with a woman who has taken a lot of 8 in members? Hot dog in the hallway. Anyone?

Women have always blurted out their "requirements" for men. Then a lowly male whispers in her ear and they have sex. There's no way Gen Z is any different. I mean every other women in the 90s was anorexic so it's not like mass body dysphoria is anything new.

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The women are being taught to hate men. So why date.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The younger generation of men have been black pilled on women thanks to social media and online dating. Women aren’t exactly helping. All this negative talk about men saying they aren’t needed and you’re an unattractive loser unless you’re 6ft 2 with a 500k income and 8 inch member (women are the ones saying this) has become amplified on the internet. You can say men have changed but young women have changed too.

You have to wonder though about these young women who say that. Who the heck would want to be with a woman who has taken a lot of 8 in members? Hot dog in the hallway. Anyone?

Women have always blurted out their "requirements" for men. Then a lowly male whispers in her ear and they have sex. There's no way Gen Z is any different. I mean every other women in the 90s was anorexic so it's not like mass body dysphoria is anything new.

I never blurted out my requirements for men and I am 44 a millennial. I think that's only what trash women do. There has to be mutual respect to like or love someone.

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Anonymous wrote:The younger generation of men have been black pilled on women thanks to social media and online dating. Women aren’t exactly helping. All this negative talk about men saying they aren’t needed and you’re an unattractive loser unless you’re 6ft 2 with a 500k income and 8 inch member (women are the ones saying this) has become amplified on the internet. You can say men have changed but young women have changed too.

You have to wonder though about these young women who say that. Who the heck would want to be with a woman who has taken a lot of 8 in members? Hot dog in the hallway. Anyone?

Women have always blurted out their "requirements" for men. Then a lowly male whispers in her ear and they have sex. There's no way Gen Z is any different. I mean every other women in the 90s was anorexic so it's not like mass body dysphoria is anything new.

I never blurted out my requirements for men and I am 44 a millennial. I think that's only what trash women do. There has to be mutual respect to like or love someone.

Yeah, everyone is focused on the trashy types. My kids are dating and are very normal. They meet people they have something in common with in class or at work or in activities and go out. It’s not that different from life back in the dark ages.