Why GenZ isn't dating

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Anonymous wrote:Young women spend as much time or more online. What are they looking at? Who is influencing them? I’m sure it’s not all good wholesome entertainment.

Trad wive influencers, skincare* influencers, wellness influencers, fitness** influencers

*injectables

**eating disorders/meds

Some are following that and other feeds are pushing other negative influences. None of it is good no matter what they’re consuming.

This is also how it gets to the boys too. You follow some normal influencers and eventually the feed will drag you down into crazy town. It’s especially bad on TikTok, the other apps don’t come close.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Young women spend as much time or more online. What are they looking at? Who is influencing them? I’m sure it’s not all good wholesome entertainment.

Trad wive influencers, skincare* influencers, wellness influencers, fitness** influencers

*injectables

**eating disorders/meds

Some are following that and other feeds are pushing other negative influences. None of it is good no matter what they’re consuming.

This is also how it gets to the boys too. You follow some normal influencers and eventually the feed will drag you down into crazy town. It’s especially bad on TikTok, the other apps don’t come close.

They are going down different rabbit holes. This isn’t just a problem with men.

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Anonymous wrote:This NYT "thought piece" I think is giving way too much credence to fringe behavior by positioning it as mainstream. What say you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/03/opinion/gen-z-dating-clavicular.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QVA.a3NV.5apj7_Wu0kSD&smid=url-share

My kids are GenZ. They're dating. I don't know any boys doing this looksmaxx BS. Am I wrong or is this article just complete BS and out of step with the zeitgeist?

As a Gen Z male who is around "looksmaxxers" and who is very familiar with it, including following Clavicular from before he was mainstream the truth is that there's a small percentage of men who are sleeping with an absurd amount of women and then a much larger percentage of men and women who are not sleeping around at all.

I am friends with guys who are "looksmaxxers" who've slept with hundreds of women before 25 because they're active on Apps and in person. What used to take years of learning how to get a girl into bed started from we were around 14 and then we were on the apps before we were 18 (kicked off a few times) then redownloaded for good at 18 then it was game over. Reason being is quite simple: in a second or two to look at a profile women who have much greater control of their choice of who they want to sleep with (and believe me they do want to sleep around still) will choose the top 1-3% of guys on the app. Those 1-3% of the guys will earn a disproportionate amount of likes. I say this because I've been on it and slept with multiple women in a day depending on the week from the app.

Then you go out to club and a bar 2-4 times a week and meet girls there and you're talking scheduling issues because you're sleeping around so much. Again, this is much easier if you're in the top 1-3% of guys because women who used to think you were out of their league have a false impression of how attractive they are because they receive an outsourced amount of attention online.

I've since stopped sleeping around and I am not proud of it but I am still in close contact with guys who are active in these circles and the behavior is now repulsive to me (group chats bragging about who's going to sleep with the most girls for the week, sending nudes of girls etc). Horrible horrible stuff that isn't nearly talked about enough is going on in the Gen Z dating world. The worst part is, is that a lot of these women are misled that the sexual revolution and them sleeping around is empowering when I've seen and heard these girls cry first hand about why I and or a friend ghosted them after a one night stand (sorry you were just a number for me to try beat my friends for who got the most girls for the week). Then recorded her crying from another phone and sent into the GC to laugh at.

If I was someone who knew of this happening and wasn't attractive/etc. I would simply stop dating, which is what I suspect is happening to a lot of Gen Z

What makes you think you're in the top 1-3% and by what objective parameters is this measured? It sounds as if you think that a man who can get multiple women to sleep with him in a short period of time is in the top 1-3%. But if a man is pinging hundreds of women to get dozens of dates and have sex 5 times a week, what does that say about him beyond that he has a lot of time on his hands and isn't choosy?

Your generation is very strange. You've layered a veneer of "science" over absolute nonsense.

No defender of the PP, and it sounds like he isn't a defender of himself either. However, what he is saying makes sense with data that is coming in about how fruitless dating is on the apps for most men. The data is consistent with the idea that "matches" are very heavily skewed toward a tiny proportion of men--1-3% being a realistic number based on what I have read for the percentage of men experiencing high yield from dating apps.

'Twas ever thus. Social mores in the past constrained this behavior. For instance, the 90s star quarterback slept around some, but not with hundreds of women. Now he has access to an almost infinite pool.

Again, is there any evidence that these are the most desirable men as opposed to the men who are the most active? Is there any data on how many profiles men in the "top 1-3%" are swiping on versus men in whatever counts as the bottom?

I don't know how old you are, but anyone over 40 should remember that the bar pickup scene used to be dominated by men who weren't the smartest, most handsome, or most fun, but rather made the most time to hit the bars every single day and hit on every woman in sight. For instance, my roommate in my 20s was a 5'8, 150 lb super extravert who would have sex with any woman of any race under a size 16 and younger than age 45. He probably ran through 5 to 10 women a week sometimes. To say he was top 1-3% of men based on this would be stupid.

Sex is a numbers game first and foremost. So, how is this "data" distinguishing between men who live on the app and swipe on every other girl to play the odds versus men who are truly desirable to women?

You are proving PP's point. "super extravert" and physical presence (industriously hitting the bars) does not communicate on the apps, so that guys is never in the running.

[Anonymous]

No other generation had a higher rate of physically moving away from their hometowns for colleges and jobs, and mentally moving away from family, friends and community to the world of internet, media and social media.

They probably don't have as many connections as they would've if they lived in same areas and were more engaged. COVID ate several years of in-person interactions.

Politics of hatred and division and competition made people suspicious of mingling freely with each other as humans.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.gq.com/story/inside-claviculars-thirsty-tour-of-new-york-city

Some more free back story on Clavicular. This stuff is nuts but I think it is a sign of the times. Young women are getting injectables and surgery more than ever also. With social media and online dating it is much harder to be average, because you have to look decent in photos, and people feel like the dating pool is much larger because of the internet.

Ugh. "Looksmaxxing descends from 2000s pick-up artist forums and 2010s incel culture." This is more about being ugly on the inside, rather than hot.

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Anonymous wrote:This NYT "thought piece" I think is giving way too much credence to fringe behavior by positioning it as mainstream. What say you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/03/opinion/gen-z-dating-clavicular.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QVA.a3NV.5apj7_Wu0kSD&smid=url-share

My kids are GenZ. They're dating. I don't know any boys doing this looksmaxx BS. Am I wrong or is this article just complete BS and out of step with the zeitgeist?

As a Gen Z male who is around "looksmaxxers" and who is very familiar with it, including following Clavicular from before he was mainstream the truth is that there's a small percentage of men who are sleeping with an absurd amount of women and then a much larger percentage of men and women who are not sleeping around at all.

I am friends with guys who are "looksmaxxers" who've slept with hundreds of women before 25 because they're active on Apps and in person. What used to take years of learning how to get a girl into bed started from we were around 14 and then we were on the apps before we were 18 (kicked off a few times) then redownloaded for good at 18 then it was game over. Reason being is quite simple: in a second or two to look at a profile women who have much greater control of their choice of who they want to sleep with (and believe me they do want to sleep around still) will choose the top 1-3% of guys on the app. Those 1-3% of the guys will earn a disproportionate amount of likes. I say this because I've been on it and slept with multiple women in a day depending on the week from the app.

Then you go out to club and a bar 2-4 times a week and meet girls there and you're talking scheduling issues because you're sleeping around so much. Again, this is much easier if you're in the top 1-3% of guys because women who used to think you were out of their league have a false impression of how attractive they are because they receive an outsourced amount of attention online.

I've since stopped sleeping around and I am not proud of it but I am still in close contact with guys who are active in these circles and the behavior is now repulsive to me (group chats bragging about who's going to sleep with the most girls for the week, sending nudes of girls etc). Horrible horrible stuff that isn't nearly talked about enough is going on in the Gen Z dating world. The worst part is, is that a lot of these women are misled that the sexual revolution and them sleeping around is empowering when I've seen and heard these girls cry first hand about why I and or a friend ghosted them after a one night stand (sorry you were just a number for me to try beat my friends for who got the most girls for the week). Then recorded her crying from another phone and sent into the GC to laugh at.

If I was someone who knew of this happening and wasn't attractive/etc. I would simply stop dating, which is what I suspect is happening to a lot of Gen Z

What makes you think you're in the top 1-3% and by what objective parameters is this measured? It sounds as if you think that a man who can get multiple women to sleep with him in a short period of time is in the top 1-3%. But if a man is pinging hundreds of women to get dozens of dates and have sex 5 times a week, what does that say about him beyond that he has a lot of time on his hands and isn't choosy?

Your generation is very strange. You've layered a veneer of "science" over absolute nonsense.

No defender of the PP, and it sounds like he isn't a defender of himself either. However, what he is saying makes sense with data that is coming in about how fruitless dating is on the apps for most men. The data is consistent with the idea that "matches" are very heavily skewed toward a tiny proportion of men--1-3% being a realistic number based on what I have read for the percentage of men experiencing high yield from dating apps.

'Twas ever thus. Social mores in the past constrained this behavior. For instance, the 90s star quarterback slept around some, but not with hundreds of women. Now he has access to an almost infinite pool.

Again, is there any evidence that these are the most desirable men as opposed to the men who are the most active? Is there any data on how many profiles men in the "top 1-3%" are swiping on versus men in whatever counts as the bottom?

I don't know how old you are, but anyone over 40 should remember that the bar pickup scene used to be dominated by men who weren't the smartest, most handsome, or most fun, but rather made the most time to hit the bars every single day and hit on every woman in sight. For instance, my roommate in my 20s was a 5'8, 150 lb super extravert who would have sex with any woman of any race under a size 16 and younger than age 45. He probably ran through 5 to 10 women a week sometimes. To say he was top 1-3% of men based on this would be stupid.

Sex is a numbers game first and foremost. So, how is this "data" distinguishing between men who live on the app and swipe on every other girl to play the odds versus men who are truly desirable to women?

You are proving PP's point. "super extravert" and physical presence (industriously hitting the bars) does not communicate on the apps, so that guys is never in the running.

I don't know how to help you understand that the analog of the super extrovert bar guy is the guy who sits on the apps swiping on hundreds of profiles in a short period of time. They're both playing a numbers game. Their yield has less to do with their desirability and everything to do with the sheer volume of attempts. I've explained this three times now

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My son is 20 and has dates all the time. He’s got really solid emotional intelligence and interpersonal skills for a kid - at least he’s way ahead of where I was. I think that helps.

While I wouldn’t call him a looksmaxer he lifts 4-5x per week, plays basketball with his friends, hikes, skis and cooks healthy almost every night. I think young men are certainly for fitness and health focussed than they used to be.

This isn’t looks maxxing this is just being a healthy grown adult. The internet is turning some of the young men into weirdos quite frankly and borderline asexual it’s very odd. I think the NYT is making something niche into something broad, but this is definitely a thing.

It's not all about the men. Women have their own problems. From the article:

And women, for their part, are moving away from the corporeal entirely, celebrating yearning rather than in-person relationships, decentering men and solo-romanticizing their own lives.

Women seem to want their lives to be social media perfect?

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Anonymous wrote:This NYT "thought piece" I think is giving way too much credence to fringe behavior by positioning it as mainstream. What say you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/03/opinion/gen-z-dating-clavicular.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QVA.a3NV.5apj7_Wu0kSD&smid=url-share

My kids are GenZ. They're dating. I don't know any boys doing this looksmaxx BS. Am I wrong or is this article just complete BS and out of step with the zeitgeist?

As a Gen Z male who is around "looksmaxxers" and who is very familiar with it, including following Clavicular from before he was mainstream the truth is that there's a small percentage of men who are sleeping with an absurd amount of women and then a much larger percentage of men and women who are not sleeping around at all.

I am friends with guys who are "looksmaxxers" who've slept with hundreds of women before 25 because they're active on Apps and in person. What used to take years of learning how to get a girl into bed started from we were around 14 and then we were on the apps before we were 18 (kicked off a few times) then redownloaded for good at 18 then it was game over. Reason being is quite simple: in a second or two to look at a profile women who have much greater control of their choice of who they want to sleep with (and believe me they do want to sleep around still) will choose the top 1-3% of guys on the app. Those 1-3% of the guys will earn a disproportionate amount of likes. I say this because I've been on it and slept with multiple women in a day depending on the week from the app.

Then you go out to club and a bar 2-4 times a week and meet girls there and you're talking scheduling issues because you're sleeping around so much. Again, this is much easier if you're in the top 1-3% of guys because women who used to think you were out of their league have a false impression of how attractive they are because they receive an outsourced amount of attention online.

I've since stopped sleeping around and I am not proud of it but I am still in close contact with guys who are active in these circles and the behavior is now repulsive to me (group chats bragging about who's going to sleep with the most girls for the week, sending nudes of girls etc). Horrible horrible stuff that isn't nearly talked about enough is going on in the Gen Z dating world. The worst part is, is that a lot of these women are misled that the sexual revolution and them sleeping around is empowering when I've seen and heard these girls cry first hand about why I and or a friend ghosted them after a one night stand (sorry you were just a number for me to try beat my friends for who got the most girls for the week). Then recorded her crying from another phone and sent into the GC to laugh at.

If I was someone who knew of this happening and wasn't attractive/etc. I would simply stop dating, which is what I suspect is happening to a lot of Gen Z

What makes you think you're in the top 1-3% and by what objective parameters is this measured? It sounds as if you think that a man who can get multiple women to sleep with him in a short period of time is in the top 1-3%. But if a man is pinging hundreds of women to get dozens of dates and have sex 5 times a week, what does that say about him beyond that he has a lot of time on his hands and isn't choosy?

Your generation is very strange. You've layered a veneer of "science" over absolute nonsense.

No defender of the PP, and it sounds like he isn't a defender of himself either. However, what he is saying makes sense with data that is coming in about how fruitless dating is on the apps for most men. The data is consistent with the idea that "matches" are very heavily skewed toward a tiny proportion of men--1-3% being a realistic number based on what I have read for the percentage of men experiencing high yield from dating apps.

'Twas ever thus. Social mores in the past constrained this behavior. For instance, the 90s star quarterback slept around some, but not with hundreds of women. Now he has access to an almost infinite pool.

Again, is there any evidence that these are the most desirable men as opposed to the men who are the most active? Is there any data on how many profiles men in the "top 1-3%" are swiping on versus men in whatever counts as the bottom?

I don't know how old you are, but anyone over 40 should remember that the bar pickup scene used to be dominated by men who weren't the smartest, most handsome, or most fun, but rather made the most time to hit the bars every single day and hit on every woman in sight. For instance, my roommate in my 20s was a 5'8, 150 lb super extravert who would have sex with any woman of any race under a size 16 and younger than age 45. He probably ran through 5 to 10 women a week sometimes. To say he was top 1-3% of men based on this would be stupid.

Sex is a numbers game first and foremost. So, how is this "data" distinguishing between men who live on the app and swipe on every other girl to play the odds versus men who are truly desirable to women?

You are proving PP's point. "super extravert" and physical presence (industriously hitting the bars) does not communicate on the apps, so that guys is never in the running.

I don't know how to help you understand that the analog of the super extrovert bar guy is the guy who sits on the apps swiping on hundreds of profiles in a short period of time. They're both playing a numbers game. Their yield has less to do with their desirability and everything to do with the sheer volume of attempts. I've explained this three times now

You could say it three hundred times but it wouldn't become less stupid. It's like this is your first time learning about any of this. Swiping takes seconds. It is not an analog to being at the bar.

[Anonymous]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OMZH0_7EUZg

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Anonymous wrote:This NYT "thought piece" I think is giving way too much credence to fringe behavior by positioning it as mainstream. What say you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/03/opinion/gen-z-dating-clavicular.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QVA.a3NV.5apj7_Wu0kSD&smid=url-share

My kids are GenZ. They're dating. I don't know any boys doing this looksmaxx BS. Am I wrong or is this article just complete BS and out of step with the zeitgeist?

As a Gen Z male who is around "looksmaxxers" and who is very familiar with it, including following Clavicular from before he was mainstream the truth is that there's a small percentage of men who are sleeping with an absurd amount of women and then a much larger percentage of men and women who are not sleeping around at all.

I am friends with guys who are "looksmaxxers" who've slept with hundreds of women before 25 because they're active on Apps and in person. What used to take years of learning how to get a girl into bed started from we were around 14 and then we were on the apps before we were 18 (kicked off a few times) then redownloaded for good at 18 then it was game over. Reason being is quite simple: in a second or two to look at a profile women who have much greater control of their choice of who they want to sleep with (and believe me they do want to sleep around still) will choose the top 1-3% of guys on the app. Those 1-3% of the guys will earn a disproportionate amount of likes. I say this because I've been on it and slept with multiple women in a day depending on the week from the app.

Then you go out to club and a bar 2-4 times a week and meet girls there and you're talking scheduling issues because you're sleeping around so much. Again, this is much easier if you're in the top 1-3% of guys because women who used to think you were out of their league have a false impression of how attractive they are because they receive an outsourced amount of attention online.

I've since stopped sleeping around and I am not proud of it but I am still in close contact with guys who are active in these circles and the behavior is now repulsive to me (group chats bragging about who's going to sleep with the most girls for the week, sending nudes of girls etc). Horrible horrible stuff that isn't nearly talked about enough is going on in the Gen Z dating world. The worst part is, is that a lot of these women are misled that the sexual revolution and them sleeping around is empowering when I've seen and heard these girls cry first hand about why I and or a friend ghosted them after a one night stand (sorry you were just a number for me to try beat my friends for who got the most girls for the week). Then recorded her crying from another phone and sent into the GC to laugh at.

If I was someone who knew of this happening and wasn't attractive/etc. I would simply stop dating, which is what I suspect is happening to a lot of Gen Z

What makes you think you're in the top 1-3% and by what objective parameters is this measured? It sounds as if you think that a man who can get multiple women to sleep with him in a short period of time is in the top 1-3%. But if a man is pinging hundreds of women to get dozens of dates and have sex 5 times a week, what does that say about him beyond that he has a lot of time on his hands and isn't choosy?

Your generation is very strange. You've layered a veneer of "science" over absolute nonsense.

No defender of the PP, and it sounds like he isn't a defender of himself either. However, what he is saying makes sense with data that is coming in about how fruitless dating is on the apps for most men. The data is consistent with the idea that "matches" are very heavily skewed toward a tiny proportion of men--1-3% being a realistic number based on what I have read for the percentage of men experiencing high yield from dating apps.

'Twas ever thus. Social mores in the past constrained this behavior. For instance, the 90s star quarterback slept around some, but not with hundreds of women. Now he has access to an almost infinite pool.

Again, is there any evidence that these are the most desirable men as opposed to the men who are the most active? Is there any data on how many profiles men in the "top 1-3%" are swiping on versus men in whatever counts as the bottom?

I don't know how old you are, but anyone over 40 should remember that the bar pickup scene used to be dominated by men who weren't the smartest, most handsome, or most fun, but rather made the most time to hit the bars every single day and hit on every woman in sight. For instance, my roommate in my 20s was a 5'8, 150 lb super extravert who would have sex with any woman of any race under a size 16 and younger than age 45. He probably ran through 5 to 10 women a week sometimes. To say he was top 1-3% of men based on this would be stupid.

Sex is a numbers game first and foremost. So, how is this "data" distinguishing between men who live on the app and swipe on every other girl to play the odds versus men who are truly desirable to women?

You are proving PP's point. "super extravert" and physical presence (industriously hitting the bars) does not communicate on the apps, so that guys is never in the running.

I don't know how to help you understand that the analog of the super extrovert bar guy is the guy who sits on the apps swiping on hundreds of profiles in a short period of time. They're both playing a numbers game. Their yield has less to do with their desirability and everything to do with the sheer volume of attempts. I've explained this three times now

You could say it three hundred times but it wouldn't become less stupid. It's like this is your first time learning about any of this. Swiping takes seconds. It is not an analog to being at the bar.

I keep forgetting that common core destroyed a whole generation's reading comprehension. Enjoy your day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This NYT "thought piece" I think is giving way too much credence to fringe behavior by positioning it as mainstream. What say you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/03/opinion/gen-z-dating-clavicular.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QVA.a3NV.5apj7_Wu0kSD&smid=url-share

My kids are GenZ. They're dating. I don't know any boys doing this looksmaxx BS. Am I wrong or is this article just complete BS and out of step with the zeitgeist?

As a Gen Z male who is around "looksmaxxers" and who is very familiar with it, including following Clavicular from before he was mainstream the truth is that there's a small percentage of men who are sleeping with an absurd amount of women and then a much larger percentage of men and women who are not sleeping around at all.

I am friends with guys who are "looksmaxxers" who've slept with hundreds of women before 25 because they're active on Apps and in person. What used to take years of learning how to get a girl into bed started from we were around 14 and then we were on the apps before we were 18 (kicked off a few times) then redownloaded for good at 18 then it was game over. Reason being is quite simple: in a second or two to look at a profile women who have much greater control of their choice of who they want to sleep with (and believe me they do want to sleep around still) will choose the top 1-3% of guys on the app. Those 1-3% of the guys will earn a disproportionate amount of likes. I say this because I've been on it and slept with multiple women in a day depending on the week from the app.

Then you go out to club and a bar 2-4 times a week and meet girls there and you're talking scheduling issues because you're sleeping around so much. Again, this is much easier if you're in the top 1-3% of guys because women who used to think you were out of their league have a false impression of how attractive they are because they receive an outsourced amount of attention online.

I've since stopped sleeping around and I am not proud of it but I am still in close contact with guys who are active in these circles and the behavior is now repulsive to me (group chats bragging about who's going to sleep with the most girls for the week, sending nudes of girls etc). Horrible horrible stuff that isn't nearly talked about enough is going on in the Gen Z dating world. The worst part is, is that a lot of these women are misled that the sexual revolution and them sleeping around is empowering when I've seen and heard these girls cry first hand about why I and or a friend ghosted them after a one night stand (sorry you were just a number for me to try beat my friends for who got the most girls for the week). Then recorded her crying from another phone and sent into the GC to laugh at.

If I was someone who knew of this happening and wasn't attractive/etc. I would simply stop dating, which is what I suspect is happening to a lot of Gen Z

What makes you think you're in the top 1-3% and by what objective parameters is this measured? It sounds as if you think that a man who can get multiple women to sleep with him in a short period of time is in the top 1-3%. But if a man is pinging hundreds of women to get dozens of dates and have sex 5 times a week, what does that say about him beyond that he has a lot of time on his hands and isn't choosy?

Your generation is very strange. You've layered a veneer of "science" over absolute nonsense.

No defender of the PP, and it sounds like he isn't a defender of himself either. However, what he is saying makes sense with data that is coming in about how fruitless dating is on the apps for most men. The data is consistent with the idea that "matches" are very heavily skewed toward a tiny proportion of men--1-3% being a realistic number based on what I have read for the percentage of men experiencing high yield from dating apps.

'Twas ever thus. Social mores in the past constrained this behavior. For instance, the 90s star quarterback slept around some, but not with hundreds of women. Now he has access to an almost infinite pool.

Again, is there any evidence that these are the most desirable men as opposed to the men who are the most active? Is there any data on how many profiles men in the "top 1-3%" are swiping on versus men in whatever counts as the bottom?

I don't know how old you are, but anyone over 40 should remember that the bar pickup scene used to be dominated by men who weren't the smartest, most handsome, or most fun, but rather made the most time to hit the bars every single day and hit on every woman in sight. For instance, my roommate in my 20s was a 5'8, 150 lb super extravert who would have sex with any woman of any race under a size 16 and younger than age 45. He probably ran through 5 to 10 women a week sometimes. To say he was top 1-3% of men based on this would be stupid.

Sex is a numbers game first and foremost. So, how is this "data" distinguishing between men who live on the app and swipe on every other girl to play the odds versus men who are truly desirable to women?

You are proving PP's point. "super extravert" and physical presence (industriously hitting the bars) does not communicate on the apps, so that guys is never in the running.

I don't know how to help you understand that the analog of the super extrovert bar guy is the guy who sits on the apps swiping on hundreds of profiles in a short period of time. They're both playing a numbers game. Their yield has less to do with their desirability and everything to do with the sheer volume of attempts. I've explained this three times now

You could say it three hundred times but it wouldn't become less stupid. It's like this is your first time learning about any of this. Swiping takes seconds. It is not an analog to being at the bar.

You're completely missing their point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This NYT "thought piece" I think is giving way too much credence to fringe behavior by positioning it as mainstream. What say you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/03/opinion/gen-z-dating-clavicular.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QVA.a3NV.5apj7_Wu0kSD&smid=url-share

My kids are GenZ. They're dating. I don't know any boys doing this looksmaxx BS. Am I wrong or is this article just complete BS and out of step with the zeitgeist?

As a Gen Z male who is around "looksmaxxers" and who is very familiar with it, including following Clavicular from before he was mainstream the truth is that there's a small percentage of men who are sleeping with an absurd amount of women and then a much larger percentage of men and women who are not sleeping around at all.

I am friends with guys who are "looksmaxxers" who've slept with hundreds of women before 25 because they're active on Apps and in person. What used to take years of learning how to get a girl into bed started from we were around 14 and then we were on the apps before we were 18 (kicked off a few times) then redownloaded for good at 18 then it was game over. Reason being is quite simple: in a second or two to look at a profile women who have much greater control of their choice of who they want to sleep with (and believe me they do want to sleep around still) will choose the top 1-3% of guys on the app. Those 1-3% of the guys will earn a disproportionate amount of likes. I say this because I've been on it and slept with multiple women in a day depending on the week from the app.

Then you go out to club and a bar 2-4 times a week and meet girls there and you're talking scheduling issues because you're sleeping around so much. Again, this is much easier if you're in the top 1-3% of guys because women who used to think you were out of their league have a false impression of how attractive they are because they receive an outsourced amount of attention online.

I've since stopped sleeping around and I am not proud of it but I am still in close contact with guys who are active in these circles and the behavior is now repulsive to me (group chats bragging about who's going to sleep with the most girls for the week, sending nudes of girls etc). Horrible horrible stuff that isn't nearly talked about enough is going on in the Gen Z dating world. The worst part is, is that a lot of these women are misled that the sexual revolution and them sleeping around is empowering when I've seen and heard these girls cry first hand about why I and or a friend ghosted them after a one night stand (sorry you were just a number for me to try beat my friends for who got the most girls for the week). Then recorded her crying from another phone and sent into the GC to laugh at.

If I was someone who knew of this happening and wasn't attractive/etc. I would simply stop dating, which is what I suspect is happening to a lot of Gen Z

What makes you think you're in the top 1-3% and by what objective parameters is this measured? It sounds as if you think that a man who can get multiple women to sleep with him in a short period of time is in the top 1-3%. But if a man is pinging hundreds of women to get dozens of dates and have sex 5 times a week, what does that say about him beyond that he has a lot of time on his hands and isn't choosy?

Your generation is very strange. You've layered a veneer of "science" over absolute nonsense.

No defender of the PP, and it sounds like he isn't a defender of himself either. However, what he is saying makes sense with data that is coming in about how fruitless dating is on the apps for most men. The data is consistent with the idea that "matches" are very heavily skewed toward a tiny proportion of men--1-3% being a realistic number based on what I have read for the percentage of men experiencing high yield from dating apps.

'Twas ever thus. Social mores in the past constrained this behavior. For instance, the 90s star quarterback slept around some, but not with hundreds of women. Now he has access to an almost infinite pool.

Again, is there any evidence that these are the most desirable men as opposed to the men who are the most active? Is there any data on how many profiles men in the "top 1-3%" are swiping on versus men in whatever counts as the bottom?

I don't know how old you are, but anyone over 40 should remember that the bar pickup scene used to be dominated by men who weren't the smartest, most handsome, or most fun, but rather made the most time to hit the bars every single day and hit on every woman in sight. For instance, my roommate in my 20s was a 5'8, 150 lb super extravert who would have sex with any woman of any race under a size 16 and younger than age 45. He probably ran through 5 to 10 women a week sometimes. To say he was top 1-3% of men based on this would be stupid.

Sex is a numbers game first and foremost. So, how is this "data" distinguishing between men who live on the app and swipe on every other girl to play the odds versus men who are truly desirable to women?

You are proving PP's point. "super extravert" and physical presence (industriously hitting the bars) does not communicate on the apps, so that guys is never in the running.

I don't know how to help you understand that the analog of the super extrovert bar guy is the guy who sits on the apps swiping on hundreds of profiles in a short period of time. They're both playing a numbers game. Their yield has less to do with their desirability and everything to do with the sheer volume of attempts. I've explained this three times now

You could say it three hundred times but it wouldn't become less stupid. It's like this is your first time learning about any of this. Swiping takes seconds. It is not an analog to being at the bar.

You're completely missing their point.

No. We all understand the point. Regardless of what your therapist told you, not all your thoughts are valid. Some of them are invalid and stupid. This is one of those times.

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Anonymous wrote:This NYT "thought piece" I think is giving way too much credence to fringe behavior by positioning it as mainstream. What say you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/03/opinion/gen-z-dating-clavicular.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QVA.a3NV.5apj7_Wu0kSD&smid=url-share

My kids are GenZ. They're dating. I don't know any boys doing this looksmaxx BS. Am I wrong or is this article just complete BS and out of step with the zeitgeist?

As a Gen Z male who is around "looksmaxxers" and who is very familiar with it, including following Clavicular from before he was mainstream the truth is that there's a small percentage of men who are sleeping with an absurd amount of women and then a much larger percentage of men and women who are not sleeping around at all.

I am friends with guys who are "looksmaxxers" who've slept with hundreds of women before 25 because they're active on Apps and in person. What used to take years of learning how to get a girl into bed started from we were around 14 and then we were on the apps before we were 18 (kicked off a few times) then redownloaded for good at 18 then it was game over. Reason being is quite simple: in a second or two to look at a profile women who have much greater control of their choice of who they want to sleep with (and believe me they do want to sleep around still) will choose the top 1-3% of guys on the app. Those 1-3% of the guys will earn a disproportionate amount of likes. I say this because I've been on it and slept with multiple women in a day depending on the week from the app.

Then you go out to club and a bar 2-4 times a week and meet girls there and you're talking scheduling issues because you're sleeping around so much. Again, this is much easier if you're in the top 1-3% of guys because women who used to think you were out of their league have a false impression of how attractive they are because they receive an outsourced amount of attention online.

I've since stopped sleeping around and I am not proud of it but I am still in close contact with guys who are active in these circles and the behavior is now repulsive to me (group chats bragging about who's going to sleep with the most girls for the week, sending nudes of girls etc). Horrible horrible stuff that isn't nearly talked about enough is going on in the Gen Z dating world. The worst part is, is that a lot of these women are misled that the sexual revolution and them sleeping around is empowering when I've seen and heard these girls cry first hand about why I and or a friend ghosted them after a one night stand (sorry you were just a number for me to try beat my friends for who got the most girls for the week). Then recorded her crying from another phone and sent into the GC to laugh at.

If I was someone who knew of this happening and wasn't attractive/etc. I would simply stop dating, which is what I suspect is happening to a lot of Gen Z

What makes you think you're in the top 1-3% and by what objective parameters is this measured? It sounds as if you think that a man who can get multiple women to sleep with him in a short period of time is in the top 1-3%. But if a man is pinging hundreds of women to get dozens of dates and have sex 5 times a week, what does that say about him beyond that he has a lot of time on his hands and isn't choosy?

Your generation is very strange. You've layered a veneer of "science" over absolute nonsense.

No defender of the PP, and it sounds like he isn't a defender of himself either. However, what he is saying makes sense with data that is coming in about how fruitless dating is on the apps for most men. The data is consistent with the idea that "matches" are very heavily skewed toward a tiny proportion of men--1-3% being a realistic number based on what I have read for the percentage of men experiencing high yield from dating apps.

'Twas ever thus. Social mores in the past constrained this behavior. For instance, the 90s star quarterback slept around some, but not with hundreds of women. Now he has access to an almost infinite pool.

Again, is there any evidence that these are the most desirable men as opposed to the men who are the most active? Is there any data on how many profiles men in the "top 1-3%" are swiping on versus men in whatever counts as the bottom?

I don't know how old you are, but anyone over 40 should remember that the bar pickup scene used to be dominated by men who weren't the smartest, most handsome, or most fun, but rather made the most time to hit the bars every single day and hit on every woman in sight. For instance, my roommate in my 20s was a 5'8, 150 lb super extravert who would have sex with any woman of any race under a size 16 and younger than age 45. He probably ran through 5 to 10 women a week sometimes. To say he was top 1-3% of men based on this would be stupid.

Sex is a numbers game first and foremost. So, how is this "data" distinguishing between men who live on the app and swipe on every other girl to play the odds versus men who are truly desirable to women?

You are proving PP's point. "super extravert" and physical presence (industriously hitting the bars) does not communicate on the apps, so that guys is never in the running.

I don't know how to help you understand that the analog of the super extrovert bar guy is the guy who sits on the apps swiping on hundreds of profiles in a short period of time. They're both playing a numbers game. Their yield has less to do with their desirability and everything to do with the sheer volume of attempts. I've explained this three times now

You could say it three hundred times but it wouldn't become less stupid. It's like this is your first time learning about any of this. Swiping takes seconds. It is not an analog to being at the bar.

You're completely missing their point.

No. We all understand the point. Regardless of what your therapist told you, not all your thoughts are valid. Some of them are invalid and stupid. This is one of those times.

Nah, I'm pretty sure you missed the point. Now be a sweetheart and try to insult me again, it's cool that you're like this.

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Anonymous wrote:This NYT "thought piece" I think is giving way too much credence to fringe behavior by positioning it as mainstream. What say you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/03/opinion/gen-z-dating-clavicular.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QVA.a3NV.5apj7_Wu0kSD&smid=url-share

My kids are GenZ. They're dating. I don't know any boys doing this looksmaxx BS. Am I wrong or is this article just complete BS and out of step with the zeitgeist?

As a Gen Z male who is around "looksmaxxers" and who is very familiar with it, including following Clavicular from before he was mainstream the truth is that there's a small percentage of men who are sleeping with an absurd amount of women and then a much larger percentage of men and women who are not sleeping around at all.

I am friends with guys who are "looksmaxxers" who've slept with hundreds of women before 25 because they're active on Apps and in person. What used to take years of learning how to get a girl into bed started from we were around 14 and then we were on the apps before we were 18 (kicked off a few times) then redownloaded for good at 18 then it was game over. Reason being is quite simple: in a second or two to look at a profile women who have much greater control of their choice of who they want to sleep with (and believe me they do want to sleep around still) will choose the top 1-3% of guys on the app. Those 1-3% of the guys will earn a disproportionate amount of likes. I say this because I've been on it and slept with multiple women in a day depending on the week from the app.

Then you go out to club and a bar 2-4 times a week and meet girls there and you're talking scheduling issues because you're sleeping around so much. Again, this is much easier if you're in the top 1-3% of guys because women who used to think you were out of their league have a false impression of how attractive they are because they receive an outsourced amount of attention online.

I've since stopped sleeping around and I am not proud of it but I am still in close contact with guys who are active in these circles and the behavior is now repulsive to me (group chats bragging about who's going to sleep with the most girls for the week, sending nudes of girls etc). Horrible horrible stuff that isn't nearly talked about enough is going on in the Gen Z dating world. The worst part is, is that a lot of these women are misled that the sexual revolution and them sleeping around is empowering when I've seen and heard these girls cry first hand about why I and or a friend ghosted them after a one night stand (sorry you were just a number for me to try beat my friends for who got the most girls for the week). Then recorded her crying from another phone and sent into the GC to laugh at.

If I was someone who knew of this happening and wasn't attractive/etc. I would simply stop dating, which is what I suspect is happening to a lot of Gen Z

What makes you think you're in the top 1-3% and by what objective parameters is this measured? It sounds as if you think that a man who can get multiple women to sleep with him in a short period of time is in the top 1-3%. But if a man is pinging hundreds of women to get dozens of dates and have sex 5 times a week, what does that say about him beyond that he has a lot of time on his hands and isn't choosy?

Your generation is very strange. You've layered a veneer of "science" over absolute nonsense.

No defender of the PP, and it sounds like he isn't a defender of himself either. However, what he is saying makes sense with data that is coming in about how fruitless dating is on the apps for most men. The data is consistent with the idea that "matches" are very heavily skewed toward a tiny proportion of men--1-3% being a realistic number based on what I have read for the percentage of men experiencing high yield from dating apps.

'Twas ever thus. Social mores in the past constrained this behavior. For instance, the 90s star quarterback slept around some, but not with hundreds of women. Now he has access to an almost infinite pool.

Again, is there any evidence that these are the most desirable men as opposed to the men who are the most active? Is there any data on how many profiles men in the "top 1-3%" are swiping on versus men in whatever counts as the bottom?

I don't know how old you are, but anyone over 40 should remember that the bar pickup scene used to be dominated by men who weren't the smartest, most handsome, or most fun, but rather made the most time to hit the bars every single day and hit on every woman in sight. For instance, my roommate in my 20s was a 5'8, 150 lb super extravert who would have sex with any woman of any race under a size 16 and younger than age 45. He probably ran through 5 to 10 women a week sometimes. To say he was top 1-3% of men based on this would be stupid.

Sex is a numbers game first and foremost. So, how is this "data" distinguishing between men who live on the app and swipe on every other girl to play the odds versus men who are truly desirable to women?

You are proving PP's point. "super extravert" and physical presence (industriously hitting the bars) does not communicate on the apps, so that guys is never in the running.

I don't know how to help you understand that the analog of the super extrovert bar guy is the guy who sits on the apps swiping on hundreds of profiles in a short period of time. They're both playing a numbers game. Their yield has less to do with their desirability and everything to do with the sheer volume of attempts. I've explained this three times now

You could say it three hundred times but it wouldn't become less stupid. It's like this is your first time learning about any of this. Swiping takes seconds. It is not an analog to being at the bar.

You're completely missing their point.

No. We all understand the point. Regardless of what your therapist told you, not all your thoughts are valid. Some of them are invalid and stupid. This is one of those times.

DP. Can you really not tell that the person you wrote this ugly response to isn't the same person you were just arguing with?

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Anonymous wrote:This NYT "thought piece" I think is giving way too much credence to fringe behavior by positioning it as mainstream. What say you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/03/opinion/gen-z-dating-clavicular.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QVA.a3NV.5apj7_Wu0kSD&smid=url-share

My kids are GenZ. They're dating. I don't know any boys doing this looksmaxx BS. Am I wrong or is this article just complete BS and out of step with the zeitgeist?

As a Gen Z male who is around "looksmaxxers" and who is very familiar with it, including following Clavicular from before he was mainstream the truth is that there's a small percentage of men who are sleeping with an absurd amount of women and then a much larger percentage of men and women who are not sleeping around at all.

I am friends with guys who are "looksmaxxers" who've slept with hundreds of women before 25 because they're active on Apps and in person. What used to take years of learning how to get a girl into bed started from we were around 14 and then we were on the apps before we were 18 (kicked off a few times) then redownloaded for good at 18 then it was game over. Reason being is quite simple: in a second or two to look at a profile women who have much greater control of their choice of who they want to sleep with (and believe me they do want to sleep around still) will choose the top 1-3% of guys on the app. Those 1-3% of the guys will earn a disproportionate amount of likes. I say this because I've been on it and slept with multiple women in a day depending on the week from the app.

Then you go out to club and a bar 2-4 times a week and meet girls there and you're talking scheduling issues because you're sleeping around so much. Again, this is much easier if you're in the top 1-3% of guys because women who used to think you were out of their league have a false impression of how attractive they are because they receive an outsourced amount of attention online.

I've since stopped sleeping around and I am not proud of it but I am still in close contact with guys who are active in these circles and the behavior is now repulsive to me (group chats bragging about who's going to sleep with the most girls for the week, sending nudes of girls etc). Horrible horrible stuff that isn't nearly talked about enough is going on in the Gen Z dating world. The worst part is, is that a lot of these women are misled that the sexual revolution and them sleeping around is empowering when I've seen and heard these girls cry first hand about why I and or a friend ghosted them after a one night stand (sorry you were just a number for me to try beat my friends for who got the most girls for the week). Then recorded her crying from another phone and sent into the GC to laugh at.

If I was someone who knew of this happening and wasn't attractive/etc. I would simply stop dating, which is what I suspect is happening to a lot of Gen Z

What makes you think you're in the top 1-3% and by what objective parameters is this measured? It sounds as if you think that a man who can get multiple women to sleep with him in a short period of time is in the top 1-3%. But if a man is pinging hundreds of women to get dozens of dates and have sex 5 times a week, what does that say about him beyond that he has a lot of time on his hands and isn't choosy?

Your generation is very strange. You've layered a veneer of "science" over absolute nonsense.

No defender of the PP, and it sounds like he isn't a defender of himself either. However, what he is saying makes sense with data that is coming in about how fruitless dating is on the apps for most men. The data is consistent with the idea that "matches" are very heavily skewed toward a tiny proportion of men--1-3% being a realistic number based on what I have read for the percentage of men experiencing high yield from dating apps.

'Twas ever thus. Social mores in the past constrained this behavior. For instance, the 90s star quarterback slept around some, but not with hundreds of women. Now he has access to an almost infinite pool.

Again, is there any evidence that these are the most desirable men as opposed to the men who are the most active? Is there any data on how many profiles men in the "top 1-3%" are swiping on versus men in whatever counts as the bottom?

I don't know how old you are, but anyone over 40 should remember that the bar pickup scene used to be dominated by men who weren't the smartest, most handsome, or most fun, but rather made the most time to hit the bars every single day and hit on every woman in sight. For instance, my roommate in my 20s was a 5'8, 150 lb super extravert who would have sex with any woman of any race under a size 16 and younger than age 45. He probably ran through 5 to 10 women a week sometimes. To say he was top 1-3% of men based on this would be stupid.

Sex is a numbers game first and foremost. So, how is this "data" distinguishing between men who live on the app and swipe on every other girl to play the odds versus men who are truly desirable to women?

You are proving PP's point. "super extravert" and physical presence (industriously hitting the bars) does not communicate on the apps, so that guys is never in the running.

I don't know how to help you understand that the analog of the super extrovert bar guy is the guy who sits on the apps swiping on hundreds of profiles in a short period of time. They're both playing a numbers game. Their yield has less to do with their desirability and everything to do with the sheer volume of attempts. I've explained this three times now

You could say it three hundred times but it wouldn't become less stupid. It's like this is your first time learning about any of this. Swiping takes seconds. It is not an analog to being at the bar.

You're completely missing their point.

No. We all understand the point. Regardless of what your therapist told you, not all your thoughts are valid. Some of them are invalid and stupid. This is one of those times.

Nah, I'm pretty sure you missed the point. Now be a sweetheart and try to insult me again, it's cool that you're like this.

I'm the PP who was making the very simple points that a man's yield can be more about the number of attempts than about his desirability. I've given up on the mouth breather who was arguing with me and is now insulting you. I can't fix what the school system broke.