WASP? Is this a real thing, or recent construction?

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With lacs, some schools fund their departments better than others. There’s pretty clear resources someone can point to about Kenton’s creative writing program or Williams’s math program that they can’t say the same for another college.

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Anonymous wrote:CMC is also rising fast. Then we will have to add a C to the acronym. WASPBC?

I think the reason for WASP is based purely on the endowment size. WASP have the largest endowment in the lac world.

cmc is not a full service lac. it's specialized for some subjects and their new science experiment is subpar so far.

so it's really not on the same plane as Wasp. I'd put cmc below bowdoin, wellesley, and carleton too.

Their new “science experiment” is less than a year old.

I think this makes sense, but then the same reasoning would have to apply to Mudd and Wellesley. From an admissions selectivity standpoint, though, CMC is well above Carleton and Wellesley. Bowdoin, admissions-wise, really stands with WASP. And it would not be the lowest of the WASP schools, either — that would probably be Swarthmore.

The same logic applies how? CMC just created a new science program from scratch with a ton of advising from various leading scientists. I don’t think a year is long enough to decide whether or not the program is quality.

I’d say cmc is narrowing in on being a full service lac. Currently it offers a very strong Econ and government department and you get outsized resources and faculty support if you choose basically any other major- Literature, Philosophy, Mathematics, History… I see them eclipsing Pomona in the near future if Pomona doesn’t get its act together.

CMC is not and will never be a full-service LAC any more than Mudd. But it doesn’t matter, as they are part of the 5C consortium and great schools. The.CMC science thing is more to support the CMC policy wonks with background knowledge and analytical skills; it does not pretend to cater to science majors. This is wise and practical. Integrated policy and science makes a lot more sense than some silly Biology Lab gen ed. Look it as a way to enhance the specialization further - not as a way of diversifying. If you ask me, that makes it an even better school. Don’t go if those aren’t your interests…

It seems to offer a decent amount of majors with superior faculty resources in Philosophy, History, Literature, Religious studies, and Psychology than Pomona. It definitely could surpass Pomona if it keeps at its current pace.

You don’t understand the 5Cs. It is not a competition: a rising tide lifts all boats.

Sure? Doesn't mean CMC cannot surpass Pomona.

You are getting to be as bad as the Bucknell booster. Give it a break.

No you’re just incredibly immature and can’t handle someone with a different opinion than you. It is very likely this could happen. CMC is a hot college right now with strong tailored programs and other majors that are particularly strong without being the institutions focus. There’s no reason Pomona has to be the best lac on the west coast other than tradition.

CMC is not a “hot college” right now. It is an excellent SLAC like many others. Also, Pomona isn’t any better than CMC because no matter how many times people try you cannot stack rank these schools in any meaningful way.

What I can say is that from our feederish west coast private CMC is a much easier admit than Pomona. It is also the more popular school of the two.

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Anonymous wrote:When you folks pontificate about one school or department being better than another school or department, do you really know what you’re talking about? I mean, do you really have a reasonable basis for such opinions that isn’t based on USNWR or internet gossip? The confidence with which y’all make such statements seems directly correlated to the lack of serious thought behind them.

With lacs, some schools fund their departments better than others. There’s pretty clear resources someone can point to about Kenton’s creative writing program or Williams’s math program that they can’t say the same for another college.

No one here is knowingly relying on funding as a basis for distinguishing between different schools' departments. Because know one here actually knows such things, much less is capable of conducting a sophisticated comparative analysis that disaggregates for variables like student size, etc. But you're welcome to prove me wrong by at least citing to any reliable source showing the specific funding for either Kenyon's creative writing program or Williams's mathematics department.

And even if I granted you this point, it doesn't exactly apply here where people are delivering categorical proclamations distinguishing between extremely similar schools (e.g., WASP, Bowdoin, CMC, etc.).

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Anonymous wrote:When you folks pontificate about one school or department being better than another school or department, do you really know what you’re talking about? I mean, do you really have a reasonable basis for such opinions that isn’t based on USNWR or internet gossip? The confidence with which y’all make such statements seems directly correlated to the lack of serious thought behind them.

With lacs, some schools fund their departments better than others. There’s pretty clear resources someone can point to about Kenton’s creative writing program or Williams’s math program that they can’t say the same for another college.

No one here is knowingly relying on funding as a basis for distinguishing between different schools' departments. Because know one here actually knows such things, much less is capable of conducting a sophisticated comparative analysis that disaggregates for variables like student size, etc. But you're welcome to prove me wrong by at least citing to any reliable source showing the specific funding for either Kenyon's creative writing program or Williams's mathematics department.

And even if I granted you this point, it doesn't exactly apply here where people are delivering categorical proclamations distinguishing between extremely similar schools (e.g., WASP, Bowdoin, CMC, etc.).

You brought up funding out of nowhere.

No other LAC has SMALL reu or the Kenyon Review. Those are competitive resources. Another example for us was the fine arts resources at the Claremont Colleges surpassed many peers because they had access to 2 ceramics studios and multiple wood workshops and mudd’s machine shop. Colorado College’s block plan allows for various study abroad opportunities integrated with courses.

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Recent DCUM-only development. Try calling it SWAP or PAWS, instead.

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Anonymous wrote:When you folks pontificate about one school or department being better than another school or department, do you really know what you’re talking about? I mean, do you really have a reasonable basis for such opinions that isn’t based on USNWR or internet gossip? The confidence with which y’all make such statements seems directly correlated to the lack of serious thought behind them.

With lacs, some schools fund their departments better than others. There’s pretty clear resources someone can point to about Kenton’s creative writing program or Williams’s math program that they can’t say the same for another college.

No one here is knowingly relying on funding as a basis for distinguishing between different schools' departments. Because know one here actually knows such things, much less is capable of conducting a sophisticated comparative analysis that disaggregates for variables like student size, etc. But you're welcome to prove me wrong by at least citing to any reliable source showing the specific funding for either Kenyon's creative writing program or Williams's mathematics department.

And even if I granted you this point, it doesn't exactly apply here where people are delivering categorical proclamations distinguishing between extremely similar schools (e.g., WASP, Bowdoin, CMC, etc.).

You brought up funding out of nowhere.

No other LAC has SMALL reu or the Kenyon Review. Those are competitive resources. Another example for us was the fine arts resources at the Claremont Colleges surpassed many peers because they had access to 2 ceramics studios and multiple wood workshops and mudd’s machine shop. Colorado College’s block plan allows for various study abroad opportunities integrated with courses.

Middlebury - New England Review and Breadloaf Quarterly.

Kenyon is great for writing but there are others.

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I've never heard the term wasp. Or Bowdin.

The only one of these colleges I'm familiar with is Williams.

Lots of small colleges on this thread that few care about. Small fish small pond who cares.

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Anonymous wrote:When you folks pontificate about one school or department being better than another school or department, do you really know what you’re talking about? I mean, do you really have a reasonable basis for such opinions that isn’t based on USNWR or internet gossip? The confidence with which y’all make such statements seems directly correlated to the lack of serious thought behind them.

With lacs, some schools fund their departments better than others. There’s pretty clear resources someone can point to about Kenton’s creative writing program or Williams’s math program that they can’t say the same for another college.

No one here is knowingly relying on funding as a basis for distinguishing between different schools' departments. Because know one here actually knows such things, much less is capable of conducting a sophisticated comparative analysis that disaggregates for variables like student size, etc. But you're welcome to prove me wrong by at least citing to any reliable source showing the specific funding for either Kenyon's creative writing program or Williams's mathematics department.

And even if I granted you this point, it doesn't exactly apply here where people are delivering categorical proclamations distinguishing between extremely similar schools (e.g., WASP, Bowdoin, CMC, etc.).

You brought up funding out of nowhere.

No other LAC has SMALL reu or the Kenyon Review. Those are competitive resources. Another example for us was the fine arts resources at the Claremont Colleges surpassed many peers because they had access to 2 ceramics studios and multiple wood workshops and mudd’s machine shop. Colorado College’s block plan allows for various study abroad opportunities integrated with courses.

Middlebury - New England Review and Breadloaf Quarterly.

Kenyon is great for writing but there are others.

I think this is there point though. Most LACs don’t have a review.

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Anonymous wrote:When you folks pontificate about one school or department being better than another school or department, do you really know what you’re talking about? I mean, do you really have a reasonable basis for such opinions that isn’t based on USNWR or internet gossip? The confidence with which y’all make such statements seems directly correlated to the lack of serious thought behind them.

With lacs, some schools fund their departments better than others. There’s pretty clear resources someone can point to about Kenton’s creative writing program or Williams’s math program that they can’t say the same for another college.

No one here is knowingly relying on funding as a basis for distinguishing between different schools' departments. Because know one here actually knows such things, much less is capable of conducting a sophisticated comparative analysis that disaggregates for variables like student size, etc. But you're welcome to prove me wrong by at least citing to any reliable source showing the specific funding for either Kenyon's creative writing program or Williams's mathematics department.

And even if I granted you this point, it doesn't exactly apply here where people are delivering categorical proclamations distinguishing between extremely similar schools (e.g., WASP, Bowdoin, CMC, etc.).

You brought up funding out of nowhere.

[b]No other LAC[b] has SMALL reu or the Kenyon Review. Those are competitive resources. Another example for us was the fine arts resources at the Claremont Colleges surpassed many peers because they had access to 2 ceramics studios and multiple wood workshops and mudd’s machine shop. Colorado College’s block plan allows for various study abroad opportunities integrated with courses.

Middlebury - New England Review and Breadloaf Quarterly.

Kenyon is great for writing but there are others.
I think this is there point though. Most LACs don’t have a review.

That is not what they said.

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Anonymous wrote:When you folks pontificate about one school or department being better than another school or department, do you really know what you’re talking about? I mean, do you really have a reasonable basis for such opinions that isn’t based on USNWR or internet gossip? The confidence with which y’all make such statements seems directly correlated to the lack of serious thought behind them.

With lacs, some schools fund their departments better than others. There’s pretty clear resources someone can point to about Kenton’s creative writing program or Williams’s math program that they can’t say the same for another college.

No one here is knowingly relying on funding as a basis for distinguishing between different schools' departments. Because know one here actually knows such things, much less is capable of conducting a sophisticated comparative analysis that disaggregates for variables like student size, etc. But you're welcome to prove me wrong by at least citing to any reliable source showing the specific funding for either Kenyon's creative writing program or Williams's mathematics department.

And even if I granted you this point, it doesn't exactly apply here where people are delivering categorical proclamations distinguishing between extremely similar schools (e.g., WASP, Bowdoin, CMC, etc.).

You brought up funding out of nowhere.

[b]No other LAC[b] has SMALL reu or the Kenyon Review. Those are competitive resources. Another example for us was the fine arts resources at the Claremont Colleges surpassed many peers because they had access to 2 ceramics studios and multiple wood workshops and mudd’s machine shop. Colorado College’s block plan allows for various study abroad opportunities integrated with courses.

Middlebury - New England Review and Breadloaf Quarterly.

Kenyon is great for writing but there are others.
I think this is there point though. Most LACs don’t have a review.

That is not what they said.

That is exactly what I said. The point is that some schools have resources others don’t have. I don’t know why you’re still combatting this truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Recent DCUM-only development. Try calling it SWAP or PAWS, instead.

Is there a distinction? Even more confused now

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I think people are saying T5 LACs, they don’t say WASP anymore. It’s exactly like saying T5 universities.

And the T5 LACs are more fluid than T5 universities. Currently it’s Williams Amherst Swarthmore Bowdoin Pomona

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Anonymous wrote:CMC is also rising fast. Then we will have to add a C to the acronym. WASPBC?

I think the reason for WASP is based purely on the endowment size. WASP have the largest endowment in the lac world.

cmc is not a full service lac. it's specialized for some subjects and their new science experiment is subpar so far.

so it's really not on the same plane as Wasp. I'd put cmc below bowdoin, wellesley, and carleton too.

Their new “science experiment” is less than a year old.

I think this makes sense, but then the same reasoning would have to apply to Mudd and Wellesley. From an admissions selectivity standpoint, though, CMC is well above Carleton and Wellesley. Bowdoin, admissions-wise, really stands with WASP. And it would not be the lowest of the WASP schools, either — that would probably be Swarthmore.

The same logic applies how? CMC just created a new science program from scratch with a ton of advising from various leading scientists. I don’t think a year is long enough to decide whether or not the program is quality.

I’d say cmc is narrowing in on being a full service lac. Currently it offers a very strong Econ and government department and you get outsized resources and faculty support if you choose basically any other major- Literature, Philosophy, Mathematics, History… I see them eclipsing Pomona in the near future if Pomona doesn’t get its act together.

CMC is not and will never be a full-service LAC any more than Mudd. But it doesn’t matter, as they are part of the 5C consortium and great schools. The.CMC science thing is more to support the CMC policy wonks with background knowledge and analytical skills; it does not pretend to cater to science majors. This is wise and practical. Integrated policy and science makes a lot more sense than some silly Biology Lab gen ed. Look it as a way to enhance the specialization further - not as a way of diversifying. If you ask me, that makes it an even better school. Don’t go if those aren’t your interests…

It seems to offer a decent amount of majors with superior faculty resources in Philosophy, History, Literature, Religious studies, and Psychology than Pomona. It definitely could surpass Pomona if it keeps at its current pace.

You don’t understand the 5Cs. It is not a competition: a rising tide lifts all boats.

Sure? Doesn't mean CMC cannot surpass Pomona.

You are getting to be as bad as the Bucknell booster. Give it a break.

No you’re just incredibly immature and can’t handle someone with a different opinion than you. It is very likely this could happen. CMC is a hot college right now with strong tailored programs and other majors that are particularly strong without being the institutions focus. There’s no reason Pomona has to be the best lac on the west coast other than tradition.

CMC is not a “hot college” right now. It is an excellent SLAC like many others. Also, Pomona isn’t any better than CMC because no matter how many times people try you cannot stack rank these schools in any meaningful way.

What I can say is that from our feederish west coast private CMC is a much easier admit than Pomona. It is also the more popular school of the two.

pomona is worlds better than cmc. both are tiny so their "exclusivity" is driven by their small size. pomona is around 800 freshman and cmc is only around 300 freshman. 1/3 of cmc freshman are recruited athletes, which not only dominates their culture but also leaves only 200-ish spots for academic students. not really worth applying to from a time/money perspective. it's not hard to get in because it's selective, it's hard because the non-athlete spots are incredibly tiny.

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These schools are too small to be that relevant for most families. They aren't responsible for educating that many people.

Not sure why these little lacs get so many threads on here. I guess some kids/parents just want to learn in a small tiny bubble in a sleepy town or suburb - nowhere near a big city. Seems like a very artificial and unrealistic way to learn TBH!

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Only lac people know is Williams based on academics. If expand to sports visability lots of people have heard of Holy Cross, Bucknell, and Colgate.