WASP? Is this a real thing, or recent construction?

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Anonymous wrote:Bowdoin is a waste of $360,000 with mediocre outcomes. It is stupid spending that sum of money just for your kid to need to go to graduate school. We have the funds for it but only spent that much for a kid whose starting salary out of college is $180,000 and 5 years out they’re making nearly as much as the 4 year cost of attendance. Bowdoin will not give you that opportunity.

Guess that you know little about Bowdoin, or pretty much any school for that matter. Nonsensical fictional post with a nonexistent child.

Would you like to make a point then since I know "little about Bowdoin." Average salary out of Bowdoin is not recouping 360k cost of attendance. I get that the financial aid is good, but I just don't think it is worth it even if you can afford it; especially for a service oriented institution like Bowdoin where many student going into public service roles and education. I believe in these valuable, fulfilling careers and believe a Bowdoin education is elite-there's no question. I just don't agree it's worth the average cost of a property in Vermont.

Average salary isn't a good measure of anything because it doesn't take major, location, etc. into account. If we were to approach everything from an ROI perspective on a per major basis you would have to make the same comment about any top tier private school for many majors. I doubt that Bowdoin majors do measurably worse than other top privates including the Ivies and MIT on a major for major same geography basis. The same likely holds for any other top SLAC or R1, it's just not a good measure of value. If that is the hill that you want to die on go to a solid public and study engineering. SJSU should be near the top of your list because it is hard to find a better ROI once adjusted for field and location.

I think we're agreeing. If my kid is interested in a liberal arts college, we have W&M and they can get the same experience for 1/2 the cost. I don't see why parents defend institutions that are overcharging by tens of thousands of dollars per year. ROI isn't everything, but we also don't need to throw out reason.

I assume that you feel the same way about the Ivy+ schools? The same holds for any of them as well.

Depends. Our kid went into Computer engineering and made a great sum...I'd pay a ton for that degree. But i wouldn't spend 90k/year on harvard for a psych degree just cause its harvard. I'm not into the rat race of accepting colleges as being overpriced money suckers, just because they can be. If Harvard maintained its cost before it started heavily artificially increasing COA, it should be about $8,000 today, not 10x that.

That’s great for your kid but the simple truth is that you can get the same results if you are a strong student at UMD, UMass Amherst, SJSU, UIUC, Missouri S&T, etc. I ran an engineering group at a Mag 7 for years and I will tell you that we really don’t care. I had CalTech, MIT, UCB, on my team and all were great. I also had SJSU, Manitoba, Nevada-Reno, and they were all great. The best I ever had was a MS&T engineer, no doubt bout it, the guy was unreal.

I’m not sure why you felt to type this up as if I’d disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:Bowdoin is a waste of $360,000 with mediocre outcomes. It is stupid spending that sum of money just for your kid to need to go to graduate school. We have the funds for it but only spent that much for a kid whose starting salary out of college is $180,000 and 5 years out they’re making nearly as much as the 4 year cost of attendance. Bowdoin will not give you that opportunity.

Guess that you know little about Bowdoin, or pretty much any school for that matter. Nonsensical fictional post with a nonexistent child.

Would you like to make a point then since I know "little about Bowdoin." Average salary out of Bowdoin is not recouping 360k cost of attendance. I get that the financial aid is good, but I just don't think it is worth it even if you can afford it; especially for a service oriented institution like Bowdoin where many student going into public service roles and education. I believe in these valuable, fulfilling careers and believe a Bowdoin education is elite-there's no question. I just don't agree it's worth the average cost of a property in Vermont.

Average salary isn't a good measure of anything because it doesn't take major, location, etc. into account. If we were to approach everything from an ROI perspective on a per major basis you would have to make the same comment about any top tier private school for many majors. I doubt that Bowdoin majors do measurably worse than other top privates including the Ivies and MIT on a major for major same geography basis. The same likely holds for any other top SLAC or R1, it's just not a good measure of value. If that is the hill that you want to die on go to a solid public and study engineering. SJSU should be near the top of your list because it is hard to find a better ROI once adjusted for field and location.

I think we're agreeing. If my kid is interested in a liberal arts college, we have W&M and they can get the same experience for 1/2 the cost. I don't see why parents defend institutions that are overcharging by tens of thousands of dollars per year. ROI isn't everything, but we also don't need to throw out reason.

I assume that you feel the same way about the Ivy+ schools? The same holds for any of them as well.

Depends. Our kid went into Computer engineering and made a great sum...I'd pay a ton for that degree. But i wouldn't spend 90k/year on harvard for a psych degree just cause its harvard. I'm not into the rat race of accepting colleges as being overpriced money suckers, just because they can be. If Harvard maintained its cost before it started heavily artificially increasing COA, it should be about $8,000 today, not 10x that.

That’s great for your kid but the simple truth is that you can get the same results if you are a strong student at UMD, UMass Amherst, SJSU, UIUC, Missouri S&T, etc. I ran an engineering group at a Mag 7 for years and I will tell you that we really don’t care. I had CalTech, MIT, UCB, on my team and all were great. I also had SJSU, Manitoba, Nevada-Reno, and they were all great. The best I ever had was a MS&T engineer, no doubt bout it, the guy was unreal.

I’m not sure why you felt to type this up as if I’d disagree.

Because I think that we are mostly in agreement but I’m not completely sure. You were ok with it because they landed into a well paid position due the their major but you would have preferred W&M if they wanted a different major. I am on the same page for W&M but wouldn’t UMD be the better choice for Computer Engineering? Much better price for the same results.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 2 LACs (#1-#2):
It will always be Williams and Amherst. Period.

Next 2 LACs (#3-#4):
Swarthmore or Wellesley

Next 3 LACs (#5-#7)
Bowdoin or Pomona

Next 3 LACs (#8-#13)
Then it's an argument for the next group with 6 different contenders. Depending on what you care about you could put in Carleton, Middlebury, Vassar, Wesleyan, Mudd (STEM only), or Claremont (social sciences).

Top 2 Williams and Amherst. In that order.

Top 5 : waspb

Top 10: waspb plus rest

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Anonymous wrote:Top 2 LACs (#1-#2):
It will always be Williams and Amherst. Period.

Next 2 LACs (#3-#4):
Swarthmore or Wellesley

Next 3 LACs (#5-#7)
Bowdoin or Pomona

Next 3 LACs (#8-#13)
Then it's an argument for the next group with 6 different contenders. Depending on what you care about you could put in Carleton, Middlebury, Vassar, Wesleyan, Mudd (STEM only), or Claremont (social sciences).

Top 2 Williams and Amherst. In that order.

Top 5 : waspb

Top 10: waspb plus rest

You dudes are as messed up as the dudes on newest ranking thread. Do you have OCD? What’s up with ranking and re-ranking schools? No one cares about your ranking. You’re breaking no new ground and convincing no one. Stop. Get help.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 2 LACs (#1-#2):
It will always be Williams and Amherst. Period.

Next 2 LACs (#3-#4):
Swarthmore or Wellesley

Next 3 LACs (#5-#7)
Bowdoin or Pomona

Next 3 LACs (#8-#13)
Then it's an argument for the next group with 6 different contenders. Depending on what you care about you could put in Carleton, Middlebury, Vassar, Wesleyan, Mudd (STEM only), or Claremont (social sciences).

Top 2 Williams and Amherst. In that order.

Top 5 : waspb

Top 10: waspb plus rest

I'd just do top 1 Williams. Amherst isn't much different or even better than SPB. Williams is the only one with clear educational advantage and outcome advantage.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 2 LACs (#1-#2):
It will always be Williams and Amherst. Period.

Next 2 LACs (#3-#4):
Swarthmore or Wellesley

Next 3 LACs (#5-#7)
Bowdoin or Pomona

Next 3 LACs (#8-#13)
Then it's an argument for the next group with 6 different contenders. Depending on what you care about you could put in Carleton, Middlebury, Vassar, Wesleyan, Mudd (STEM only), or Claremont (social sciences).

Top 2 Williams and Amherst. In that order.

Top 5 : waspb

Top 10: waspb plus rest

I'd just do top 1 Williams. Amherst isn't much different or even better than SPB. Williams is the only one with clear educational advantage and outcome advantage.

agree with this. also, Amherst has more athletes than the rest of WASP

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Anonymous wrote:Top 2 LACs (#1-#2):
It will always be Williams and Amherst. Period.

Next 2 LACs (#3-#4):
Swarthmore or Wellesley

Next 3 LACs (#5-#7)
Bowdoin or Pomona

Next 3 LACs (#8-#13)
Then it's an argument for the next group with 6 different contenders. Depending on what you care about you could put in Carleton, Middlebury, Vassar, Wesleyan, Mudd (STEM only), or Claremont (social sciences).

Top 2 Williams and Amherst. In that order.

Top 5 : waspb

Top 10: waspb plus rest

I'd just do top 1 Williams. Amherst isn't much different or even better than SPB. Williams is the only one with clear educational advantage and outcome advantage.

Williams has no clear advantages over the rest of the aforementioned schools. You keep pumping but it’s just another air ball.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 2 LACs (#1-#2):
It will always be Williams and Amherst. Period.

Next 2 LACs (#3-#4):
Swarthmore or Wellesley

Next 3 LACs (#5-#7)
Bowdoin or Pomona

Next 3 LACs (#8-#13)
Then it's an argument for the next group with 6 different contenders. Depending on what you care about you could put in Carleton, Middlebury, Vassar, Wesleyan, Mudd (STEM only), or Claremont (social sciences).

Top 2 Williams and Amherst. In that order.

Top 5 : waspb

Top 10: waspb plus rest

I'd just do top 1 Williams. Amherst isn't much different or even better than SPB. Williams is the only one with clear educational advantage and outcome advantage.

agree with this. also, Amherst has more athletes than the rest of WASP

You are just talking out your ass with no actual knowledge of anything. Amherst has the fewest athletes of any of the top NESCAC schools.