Readers at Washington post have changed attitudes towards H-1B

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of American kids want to be doctors. There is no reason to import foreign ones. The reason there are so many Indian doctors compared to Americans has nothing to do with skill or intelligence - it's that it costs roughly $6000 to become a doctor an all of 6 years in India - whereas in the US it is 10+ years and $300,000.

Lots of Indian-Americans and other Asian-Americans become doctors in US because they have the academic chops to study medicine, + their parents and family will sacrifice to fund them and support them.

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Anonymous wrote:Is no one at all worried about the national security risk of having a bunch of foreign H1B's running all our tech? We all assume Indians and Chinese workers who are working at Microsoft, Google, Starlink and a bunch of other Defense companies are going to be loyal to America but we know that China regularly harasses people of Chinese descent for information on their work. We know that many Indians are more loyal to India than America - or would happily sell information to other countries. And with Trump in office, many H1Bs who would have been loyal are rethinking.

In a major world war, would we have enough Americans who know how to code and manage the tech infrastructure to compete against China and Russia? Would China and Russia already have kill switches embedded in our tech thanks to H1Bs?

Instagram has a lot of Chinese propaganda. It’s always about China is the best, cashless pay, cool gadgets tall building etc… very cringy if you ask me.

Infuriating if you ask me. Thats all our money and our jobs they got over there after MFN status and offshoring. Ross Perot being right and not getting elected was the worst thing to ever happen to this country

The offshoring of jobs is to India, not China.

Yes, China basically manufactures and produces every thing. They don't need to make money for American company. They are basically chopping the legs from below American companies. Whatever America can produce, now China can produce better and cheaper.

The beauty of it all is that America Made China Great, by giving them access to American markets and buying cheap goods from them. Another beauty is that unlike every other foreign talent that came to US and stayed in US (for example - Indians who have come to US and made scientific discoveries), all that Chinese did was steal tech from US and take it back to China.

Still, TACO cannot take on the King Pao!

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No one cares.

Low level jobs will be taken over by AI or outsourced to other countries.

For the top talent in tech and STEM - companies will pay the 100K price tag for H1B.

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Anonymous wrote:They also need to fix what is happening at our top universities.

My kid is at one of the top 12 engineering schools.

Easily 30-35% of the students in the program are foreign students, many from hostile adversarial countries.

We know of several incredibly talented kids from our local high school with the same stats as my kid, or better stars, who also applied to that school and were rejected.

Before anyone says well the foreign students are smarter and more hard working than the American kids, my kid coming out of northern Virginia public schools is holding their own with these foreign students, with a more difficult program than many of those kids due to a double major, and my kid was not the smartest or most prepared of the top students at their public high school. I am sure there are hundreds or perhaps close to a thousand kids in just the DC area public and private schools who are just as smart, prepared, hard working and capable of those foreign students, who should have been accepted into the top engineering programs in this country.

I am very supportive of putting a hard cap, maybe 10%, on the percentage of foreign students allowed into any security critical degree program such as sciences and engineering, at any university that receives a dime of federal aide, grants, pell grants or federal loans

We have American kids prepared, brilliant and innovative enough to fill our engineering schools.

This needs to be fixed, not just the work visas.

This. There is also the issue of Indian managers who get in to tech companies who will only hire and promote Indians. This is what has happened to too many of our companies.

The Indian managers are given instructions by the rich republican voting White owners - to only hire tech talent for cheap and get those who can work for low wages in sweatshop conditions.

They cannot find White Americans who have the skills and willingness to work for low wages. Hopefully, now that H1B are expensive - we will see White Americans taking these jobs.

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All the low educated, lazy, poor, POS White racists think that they are Americans and will get the jobs. LOL.

America is for the rich and highly educated/skilled.

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Anonymous wrote:The H1B program has been a scam from the start. It has always been, and will always be. There is no need for any of these people. It's just another tool for the holders of capital to screw over the people they look down on. And I'm 100% a capitalist.

Yup. Half of the problem is our scammy representatives taking kickbacks from foreign countries to waive their people in.

People deserve the leaders they vote for!

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of American kids want to be doctors. There is no reason to import foreign ones. The reason there are so many Indian doctors compared to Americans has nothing to do with skill or intelligence - it's that it costs roughly $6000 to become a doctor an all of 6 years in India - whereas in the US it is 10+ years and $300,000.

Lots of Indian-Americans and other Asian-Americans become doctors in US because they have the academic chops to study medicine, + their parents and family will sacrifice to fund them and support them.

There are lots of people who are tired of hearing about Asian family "sacrifice" for their children.
A casual perusal of the college threads will demonstrate that families of ALL ethnicities sacrifice a lot for their children. The gnashing about +90K tuition value, delaying having children until they acquire real estate in Bethesda/McLean, the handwringing over the impact of travel sports on family life, moving just to be in a better school pyramid, etc....
We all make decisions on behalf of the children. That's not sacrifice. It's called parenting.

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Anonymous wrote:In the 90s when I was an adventurous graduate I went to Hong Kong on a whim and got a job at a local company as an interior designer. The company applied for a work visa for me.
When I went to the visa office for the interview, I was aggressively asked why my job could not be done by a local Hong Konger. I was also asked what made my skills and education so special that they needed to hire me.
Those questions stayed with me for a long time because they were valid questions. I am Chinese (but not from British Hong Kong) and this interaction really made me think.
I did get get issued a work visa in the end.

Did you feel entitled to a job in Hong Kong?

Do you attack the Hong Kong government for not helping you get a job?

Like the Indians do?

No, I didn't feel entitled to it but it did make me wonder about American assumptions. I left that meeting wondering why the US doesn't protect its American workers the way that visa agent was for HKG. I could not disagree with his position.

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Anonymous wrote:In the 90s when I was an adventurous graduate I went to Hong Kong on a whim and got a job at a local company as an interior designer. The company applied for a work visa for me.
When I went to the visa office for the interview, I was aggressively asked why my job could not be done by a local Hong Konger. I was also asked what made my skills and education so special that they needed to hire me.
Those questions stayed with me for a long time because they were valid questions. I am Chinese (but not from British Hong Kong) and this interaction really made me think.
I did get get issued a work visa in the end.

Did you feel entitled to a job in Hong Kong?

Do you attack the Hong Kong government for not helping you get a job?

Like the Indians do?

No, I didn't feel entitled to it but it did make me wonder about American assumptions. I left that meeting wondering why the US doesn't protect its American workers the way that visa agent was for HKG. I could not disagree with his position.

That said, I can't help but see all the protests against ICE agents as originating from some form of entitlement. Illegal immigrants in other countries would not dare to react in such a way because they know they have broken a law. Perhaps it is because in other countries it is actually quite hard to get a legitimate job, legitimate housing, or sometimes even buy a train ticket without a national ID.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of American kids want to be doctors. There is no reason to import foreign ones. The reason there are so many Indian doctors compared to Americans has nothing to do with skill or intelligence - it's that it costs roughly $6000 to become a doctor an all of 6 years in India - whereas in the US it is 10+ years and $300,000.

Lots of Indian-Americans and other Asian-Americans become doctors in US because they have the academic chops to study medicine, + their parents and family will sacrifice to fund them and support them.

There are lots of people who are tired of hearing about Asian family "sacrifice" for their children.
A casual perusal of the college threads will demonstrate that families of ALL ethnicities sacrifice a lot for their children. The gnashing about +90K tuition value, delaying having children until they acquire real estate in Bethesda/McLean, the handwringing over the impact of travel sports on family life, moving just to be in a better school pyramid, etc....
We all make decisions on behalf of the children. That's not sacrifice. It's called parenting.

Correct, it's just that Asian families go beyond the parent-child relationship where you are also expected to sacrifice for extended family. A coworker told me that she had to help pay for all her nieces and nephews educations in addition to her own children's (and the siblings helped hers in turn.) This is in contrast to American families where siblings will stop speaking to each other because someone voted the wrong way.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of American kids want to be doctors. There is no reason to import foreign ones. The reason there are so many Indian doctors compared to Americans has nothing to do with skill or intelligence - it's that it costs roughly $6000 to become a doctor an all of 6 years in India - whereas in the US it is 10+ years and $300,000.

Lots of Indian-Americans and other Asian-Americans become doctors in US because they have the academic chops to study medicine, + their parents and family will sacrifice to fund them and support them.

When I was in high school our state school (no name not top ranked) offered early decision pre med seats (with scholarships) to top high school students, only Indian kids took those seats. Upon completing the 5 year pre med they automatically get in no name med school.

East Asians can be too obsessive about ranking to commit to a “lower tier” school in case med school doesn’t work out.

American kids can secure highly paid business jobs out of undergrad.

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Anonymous wrote:Is no one at all worried about the national security risk of having a bunch of foreign H1B's running all our tech? We all assume Indians and Chinese workers who are working at Microsoft, Google, Starlink and a bunch of other Defense companies are going to be loyal to America but we know that China regularly harasses people of Chinese descent for information on their work. We know that many Indians are more loyal to India than America - or would happily sell information to other countries. And with Trump in office, many H1Bs who would have been loyal are rethinking.

In a major world war, would we have enough Americans who know how to code and manage the tech infrastructure to compete against China and Russia? Would China and Russia already have kill switches embedded in our tech thanks to H1Bs?

Instagram has a lot of Chinese propaganda. It’s always about China is the best, cashless pay, cool gadgets tall building etc… very cringy if you ask me.

Infuriating if you ask me. Thats all our money and our jobs they got over there after MFN status and offshoring. Ross Perot being right and not getting elected was the worst thing to ever happen to this country

The offshoring of jobs is to India, not China.

Yes, China basically manufactures and produces every thing. They don't need to make money for American company. They are basically chopping the legs from below American companies. Whatever America can produce, now China can produce better and cheaper.

The beauty of it all is that America Made China Great, by giving them access to American markets and buying cheap goods from them. Another beauty is that unlike every other foreign talent that came to US and stayed in US (for example - Indians who have come to US and made scientific discoveries), all that Chinese did was steal tech from US and take it back to China.

Still, TACO cannot take on the King Pao!

That was a mutually beneficial relationship. The 70/80s was highly inflationary, the president wanted China to take on the cost pressure to secure his votes.

Except in 2025 China doesn’t have enough young people with their **** birth rate, let’s see who is gonna save our ass this time.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of American kids want to be doctors. There is no reason to import foreign ones. The reason there are so many Indian doctors compared to Americans has nothing to do with skill or intelligence - it's that it costs roughly $6000 to become a doctor an all of 6 years in India - whereas in the US it is 10+ years and $300,000.

Lots of Indian-Americans and other Asian-Americans become doctors in US because they have the academic chops to study medicine, + their parents and family will sacrifice to fund them and support them.

There are lots of people who are tired of hearing about Asian family "sacrifice" for their children.
A casual perusal of the college threads will demonstrate that families of ALL ethnicities sacrifice a lot for their children. The gnashing about +90K tuition value, delaying having children until they acquire real estate in Bethesda/McLean, the handwringing over the impact of travel sports on family life, moving just to be in a better school pyramid, etc....
We all make decisions on behalf of the children. That's not sacrifice. It's called parenting.

Correct, it's just that Asian families go beyond the parent-child relationship where you are also expected to sacrifice for extended family. A coworker told me that she had to help pay for all her nieces and nephews educations in addition to her own children's (and the siblings helped hers in turn.) This is in contrast to American families where siblings will stop speaking to each other because someone voted the wrong way.

Asian here. It's a form of creating further enmeshment via family obligations. I've seen petty and extreme forms of this performing favors in expectation of future return.

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Anonymous wrote:I stubbed my toe this morning. Must have been an h1b who left out the toy I tripped on. I’m very clever and incisive and not at all a smooth-brained, fear mongering, racist

It probably was. We need to stop importing cheaply made toys from your country too

My country being what? I’m white and you’re a racist clown

White from where? Go back.

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Anonymous wrote:Is no one at all worried about the national security risk of having a bunch of foreign H1B's running all our tech? We all assume Indians and Chinese workers who are working at Microsoft, Google, Starlink and a bunch of other Defense companies are going to be loyal to America but we know that China regularly harasses people of Chinese descent for information on their work. We know that many Indians are more loyal to India than America - or would happily sell information to other countries. And with Trump in office, many H1Bs who would have been loyal are rethinking.

In a major world war, would we have enough Americans who know how to code and manage the tech infrastructure to compete against China and Russia? Would China and Russia already have kill switches embedded in our tech thanks to H1Bs?

Instagram has a lot of Chinese propaganda. It’s always about China is the best, cashless pay, cool gadgets tall building etc… very cringy if you ask me.

Infuriating if you ask me. Thats all our money and our jobs they got over there after MFN status and offshoring. Ross Perot being right and not getting elected was the worst thing to ever happen to this country

The offshoring of jobs is to India, not China.

Yes, China basically manufactures and produces every thing. They don't need to make money for American company. They are basically chopping the legs from below American companies. Whatever America can produce, now China can produce better and cheaper.

The beauty of it all is that America Made China Great, by giving them access to American markets and buying cheap goods from them. Another beauty is that unlike every other foreign talent that came to US and stayed in US (for example - Indians who have come to US and made scientific discoveries), all that Chinese did was steal tech from US and take it back to China.

Still, TACO cannot take on the King Pao!

No hun, not better just cheaper don’t get ahead of yourself.