Readers at Washington post have changed attitudes towards H-1B

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of American kids want to be doctors. There is no reason to import foreign ones. The reason there are so many Indian doctors compared to Americans has nothing to do with skill or intelligence - it's that it costs roughly $6000 to become a doctor an all of 6 years in India - whereas in the US it is 10+ years and $300,000.

My sister spend $0 to become a doctor in my country in West Africa. She only practiced medicine for 2 years in Africa before moving here to the US. A few years later she is living the life as an extremely well compensated doctor.

The average American is being taken for a ride. It's crazy how people go to school for free in their country, move here and after a few years (immediately for some) land the same jobs American kids spent $100k training for. Crazy.

People like your sister are not good people. A country that afforded such an opportunity and the first opportunity she leaves behind her country and the people who need her services and skills the most. Sjhes definitely not alone. It’s typical, and it’s why third world countries will always be third world, never to truly prosper.

PP agree. I agree with you 100%.

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Anonymous wrote:They also need to fix what is happening at our top universities.

My kid is at one of the top 12 engineering schools.

Easily 30-35% of the students in the program are foreign students, many from hostile adversarial countries.

We know of several incredibly talented kids from our local high school with the same stats as my kid, or better stars, who also applied to that school and were rejected.

Before anyone says well the foreign students are smarter and more hard working than the American kids, my kid coming out of northern Virginia public schools is holding their own with these foreign students, with a more difficult program than many of those kids due to a double major, and my kid was not the smartest or most prepared of the top students at their public high school. I am sure there are hundreds or perhaps close to a thousand kids in just the DC area public and private schools who are just as smart, prepared, hard working and capable of those foreign students, who should have been accepted into the top engineering programs in this country.

I am very supportive of putting a hard cap, maybe 10%, on the percentage of foreign students allowed into any security critical degree program such as sciences and engineering, at any university that receives a dime of federal aide, grants, pell grants or federal loans

We have American kids prepared, brilliant and innovative enough to fill our engineering schools.

This needs to be fixed, not just the work visas.

I have no doubt your kid is qualified. I came here as an international student from France. I went to a top 4 Physics program. I was shocked at the preparedness of even the best American Students. The French system has serious issues no doubt. However in math and physics, we are quite advanced. They put me in calculus III as a freshman after begging. The course was so easy.

I think what's hurting American Students is that their parents compare their kids perhaps to other kids who went to less funded public schools. But in many countries the average student has access to the most advanced courses a HS kid that goes to a private school here has access to.

I am a well prepared American student and our state college started me off the bat with real analysis. I completed calculus 3 by junior year in high school. You were not placed correctly, which explained the observation in your “peers”. That’s the equivalent of going to science bowl and complain these kids don’t bench press.

You are an extreme outlier. The best of the best American Students don't start with "baby Rudin" as freshmen. It's very rare especially since most of the advanced HS courses barely teach you proofs. You need a bridge course to make the jump from call 3 to real analysis. You must have in the top 1% of students in all metrics gpa, sat, so etc

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Re doctors-

It's not just the tuition barrier. There are only so many med school and residency spots. This is not necessarily entirely a bad thing, as it's really important not to have dumb doctors. I mean you wouldn't want to have TTT med schools proliferating the way law schools have. But maybe we should have some more spots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They also need to fix what is happening at our top universities.

My kid is at one of the top 12 engineering schools.

Easily 30-35% of the students in the program are foreign students, many from hostile adversarial countries.

We know of several incredibly talented kids from our local high school with the same stats as my kid, or better stars, who also applied to that school and were rejected.

Before anyone says well the foreign students are smarter and more hard working than the American kids, my kid coming out of northern Virginia public schools is holding their own with these foreign students, with a more difficult program than many of those kids due to a double major, and my kid was not the smartest or most prepared of the top students at their public high school. I am sure there are hundreds or perhaps close to a thousand kids in just the DC area public and private schools who are just as smart, prepared, hard working and capable of those foreign students, who should have been accepted into the top engineering programs in this country.

I am very supportive of putting a hard cap, maybe 10%, on the percentage of foreign students allowed into any security critical degree program such as sciences and engineering, at any university that receives a dime of federal aide, grants, pell grants or federal loans

We have American kids prepared, brilliant and innovative enough to fill our engineering schools.

This needs to be fixed, not just the work visas.

I have no doubt your kid is qualified. I came here as an international student from France. I went to a top 4 Physics program. I was shocked at the preparedness of even the best American Students. The French system has serious issues no doubt. However in math and physics, we are quite advanced. They put me in calculus III as a freshman after begging. The course was so easy.

I think what's hurting American Students is that their parents compare their kids perhaps to other kids who went to less funded public schools. But in many countries the average student has access to the most advanced courses a HS kid that goes to a private school here has access to.

I am a well prepared American student and our state college started me off the bat with real analysis. I completed calculus 3 by junior year in high school. You were not placed correctly, which explained the observation in your “peers”. That’s the equivalent of going to science bowl and complain these kids don’t bench press.

You are an extreme outlier. The best of the best American Students don't start with "baby Rudin" as freshmen. It's very rare especially since most of the advanced HS courses barely teach you proofs. You need a bridge course to make the jump from call 3 to real analysis. You must have in the top 1% of students in all metrics gpa, sat, so etc

While regular engineering school is populated with foreign kids (according to this thread), the advanced math and physics departments are largely 90% American because only Americans can afford a “non practical major” and still find jobs.

The immigrants work hard but they don’t have the intellectual curiosity to last in a field where return is uncertain. As long as Americans remain entrepreneurial this country will be fine.

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Abstract and Figures
Universities contribute to economic growth and national competitiveness by equipping students with higher-order thinking and academic skills. Despite large investments in university science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM) education, little is known about how the skills of STEM undergraduates compare across countries and by institutional selectivity. Here, we provide direct evidence on these issues by collecting and analysing longitudinal data on tens of thousands of computer science and electrical engineering students in China, India, Russia and the United States. We find stark differences in skill levels and gains among countries and by institutional selectivity. Compared with the United States, students in China, India and Russia do not gain critical thinking skills over four years. Furthermore, while students in India and Russia gain academic skills during the first two years, students in China do not. These gaps in skill levels and gains provide insights into the global competitiveness of STEM university students across nations and institutional types.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349707487_Skill_levels_and_gains_in_university_STEM_education_in_China_India_Russia_and_the_United_States

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Wow. Mainstream media has discovered that h1b is about entry level cheap workers. Who would have thought???

Immigration advocates and attorneys say the change could lead employers to alter the types of foreign workers they hire, outsource roles to other countries, or turn to other, more limited, visa options.

“With the emphasis on wages, the nature of roles—level of foreign national hires may shift,” said Jill Bloom, an immigration partner at Fragomen, Del Rey, Bernsen & Loewy LLP. “Companies may choose to pass on entry-level or mid-level key talent as the chances of ultimately securing a H-1B decreases.”

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/new-h-1b-rule-pushes-employers-to-rethink-workforce-options

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Anonymous wrote:I call PPs admission stats BS. 30-35% from foreign countries for undergrad degree? Which university is this?

Not the university.

Engineering.

It’s not foreign students. It is American students who are non-White. Specifically, American Asians who are excelling in colleges and getting jobs.

If companies stop giving H1B visas, jobs will go off-shore. Problem solved.

And regardless of what lip service will be paid against H1B, if Americans can not compete in skill and salary, companies will shift the work somewhere else.

It does not matter at all. H1B has America by its short hair.

Nope.

They are foreign students.

The non white American kids are gerting shut out too.

Facts. I was the sole American in my masters program. Everyone else was foreign born.

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Anonymous wrote:Is no one at all worried about the national security risk of having a bunch of foreign H1B's running all our tech? We all assume Indians and Chinese workers who are working at Microsoft, Google, Starlink and a bunch of other Defense companies are going to be loyal to America but we know that China regularly harasses people of Chinese descent for information on their work. We know that many Indians are more loyal to India than America - or would happily sell information to other countries. And with Trump in office, many H1Bs who would have been loyal are rethinking.

In a major world war, would we have enough Americans who know how to code and manage the tech infrastructure to compete against China and Russia? Would China and Russia already have kill switches embedded in our tech thanks to H1Bs?

No we would not have the tech or brain power. And we saw what happened with Covid with China preventing American companies from exporting their own medical supplies and masks, confiscated them

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is no one at all worried about the national security risk of having a bunch of foreign H1B's running all our tech? We all assume Indians and Chinese workers who are working at Microsoft, Google, Starlink and a bunch of other Defense companies are going to be loyal to America but we know that China regularly harasses people of Chinese descent for information on their work. We know that many Indians are more loyal to India than America - or would happily sell information to other countries. And with Trump in office, many H1Bs who would have been loyal are rethinking.

In a major world war, would we have enough Americans who know how to code and manage the tech infrastructure to compete against China and Russia? Would China and Russia already have kill switches embedded in our tech thanks to H1Bs?

Instagram has a lot of Chinese propaganda. It’s always about China is the best, cashless pay, cool gadgets tall building etc… very cringy if you ask me.

Infuriating if you ask me. Thats all our money and our jobs they got over there after MFN status and offshoring. Ross Perot being right and not getting elected was the worst thing to ever happen to this country

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Anonymous wrote:My Catholic college I graduated way way back in 1985 at time was a highly regarded commuter college so almost 100 percent of students went to high schools with 20 miles of campus. To be honest was around 90 percent white, 5 percent black and rest mixed. Nearly all Catholic.

I not long ago attended an event on campus to speak after not stepping food in campus since 1993.

The school is now 99 percent foreign. Most kids Barely spoke English. Highly doubt any are Catholic. They have dorms now.

School no longer is attended by kids who live near school or alumni. Like a lot of schools loaded up on full pay international to support poor U.S DEI students and athletes.

The middle class local student of 1980s wgoblive within 20 miles of campus not welcome or charged sky high full pay tuition ,

Which school?

St. Johns University on Queens NYC. Back in the day the CEO of Merril Lynch and seemed half of Wall Street either went to St. Johns or had a family member or friend who went there. Funny in 1996 I heard the CEO of Merril Lunch Dan Tully speaking as he was retiring and he joked in 1996 the only job a St. John's graduate is apparantly eligible for at Merril Lynch is CEO as the trading desks and investment bankers no longer recruit from St. Johns. Tully graduated SJU in 1952. I have no clue why SJU in the late 1980s/early 1990s decided to throw away 120 years of a good thing.

I also went to an event at Baruch in Manhattan and same thing. Back around 2007 I took a college class at a CUNY school as needed the Accounting credit to sit for CPA. There was maybe two US born students, including me in a class of 40. Was very odd. I was a lot older, but also odd I could not talk to anyone really. At any break or before or after class they had groups of people speaking foreign languages. And the different goups barely interacted. The teacher sometimes would ask questions and no one would answer and he point at me and joke hey can you answer I know you speak English. He also had a very heavy accent, so he could get away with it.

America is rapidly Balkanizing. Minnesota is a Somali outpost and California is basically Persia and Mexico, Florida is Russia….over importing people who dont assimilate is going to ruin this country. We will never get it back. That or India or China is going to get a majority and seize control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My Catholic college I graduated way way back in 1985 at time was a highly regarded commuter college so almost 100 percent of students went to high schools with 20 miles of campus. To be honest was around 90 percent white, 5 percent black and rest mixed. Nearly all Catholic.

I not long ago attended an event on campus to speak after not stepping food in campus since 1993.

The school is now 99 percent foreign. Most kids Barely spoke English. Highly doubt any are Catholic. They have dorms now.

School no longer is attended by kids who live near school or alumni. Like a lot of schools loaded up on full pay international to support poor U.S DEI students and athletes.

The middle class local student of 1980s wgoblive within 20 miles of campus not welcome or charged sky high full pay tuition ,

Which school?

St. Johns University on Queens NYC. Back in the day the CEO of Merril Lynch and seemed half of Wall Street either went to St. Johns or had a family member or friend who went there. Funny in 1996 I heard the CEO of Merril Lunch Dan Tully speaking as he was retiring and he joked in 1996 the only job a St. John's graduate is apparantly eligible for at Merril Lynch is CEO as the trading desks and investment bankers no longer recruit from St. Johns. Tully graduated SJU in 1952. I have no clue why SJU in the late 1980s/early 1990s decided to throw away 120 years of a good thing.

I also went to an event at Baruch in Manhattan and same thing. Back around 2007 I took a college class at a CUNY school as needed the Accounting credit to sit for CPA. There was maybe two US born students, including me in a class of 40. Was very odd. I was a lot older, but also odd I could not talk to anyone really. At any break or before or after class they had groups of people speaking foreign languages. And the different goups barely interacted. The teacher sometimes would ask questions and no one would answer and he point at me and joke hey can you answer I know you speak English. He also had a very heavy accent, so he could get away with it.

As a Baruch graduate - that school has always been a magnet for first and 1.5 generation kids. That’s the combo of having an unbeatable tuition, solid business and accounting programs and being a commuter school. Those kids speaking foreign languages (I was one of them, but I graduated in ‘95) are mostly not foreign students paying $$$, they are permanent residents or US citizens reflecting the college bound population of NYC public schools.

Permanent residents are also foreigners and so are naturalized citizens

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Anonymous wrote:The H1B program has been a scam from the start. It has always been, and will always be. There is no need for any of these people. It's just another tool for the holders of capital to screw over the people they look down on. And I'm 100% a capitalist.

Yup. Half of the problem is our scammy representatives taking kickbacks from foreign countries to waive their people in.

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Anonymous wrote:
"My sister spend $0 to become a doctor in my country in West Africa. She only practiced medicine for 2 years in Africa before moving here to the US. A few years later she is living the life as an extremely well compensated doctor.

The average American is being taken for a ride. It's crazy how people go to school for free in their country, move here and after a few years (immediately for some) land the same jobs American kids spent $100k training for. Crazy."

People like your sister are not good people. A country that afforded such an opportunity and the first opportunity she leaves behind her country and the people who need her services and skills the most. Sjhes definitely not alone. It’s typical, and it’s why third world countries will always be third world, never to truly prosper.

PP agree. I agree with you 100%.

My reaction too. Traitor to their country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is no one at all worried about the national security risk of having a bunch of foreign H1B's running all our tech? We all assume Indians and Chinese workers who are working at Microsoft, Google, Starlink and a bunch of other Defense companies are going to be loyal to America but we know that China regularly harasses people of Chinese descent for information on their work. We know that many Indians are more loyal to India than America - or would happily sell information to other countries. And with Trump in office, many H1Bs who would have been loyal are rethinking.

In a major world war, would we have enough Americans who know how to code and manage the tech infrastructure to compete against China and Russia? Would China and Russia already have kill switches embedded in our tech thanks to H1Bs?

Instagram has a lot of Chinese propaganda. It’s always about China is the best, cashless pay, cool gadgets tall building etc… very cringy if you ask me.

Infuriating if you ask me. Thats all our money and our jobs they got over there after MFN status and offshoring. Ross Perot being right and not getting elected was the worst thing to ever happen to this country

The offshoring of jobs is to India, not China.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
"My sister spend $0 to become a doctor in my country in West Africa. She only practiced medicine for 2 years in Africa before moving here to the US. A few years later she is living the life as an extremely well compensated doctor.

The average American is being taken for a ride. It's crazy how people go to school for free in their country, move here and after a few years (immediately for some) land the same jobs American kids spent $100k training for. Crazy."

People like your sister are not good people. A country that afforded such an opportunity and the first opportunity she leaves behind her country and the people who need her services and skills the most. Sjhes definitely not alone. It’s typical, and it’s why third world countries will always be third world, never to truly prosper.

PP agree. I agree with you 100%.

My reaction too. Traitor to their country.

Well my country tried to kill me when I was an infant, and teachers bullied me nonstop because my dad didn’t buy them gifts. American teachers handed out LOVE and I thrived from their mentorship. If anything I am not a traitor to those who invested or believed in me.