Taylor's Operating Budget releases 12/17 at 6:30 pm

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any written information provided on the budget yet or just this meeting?


I think it should go up here but hasn't been posted yet: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/budget/


The one page summary has been posted: https://drive.google.com/file/d/17GJKuduRVabGklonUKc2u7VmIcBsrbNW/view?usp=drivesdk


Thank you. 50 people from central services is a lot. Did they clarify what jobs will be cut?


That will hopefully be clearer when the full details are out. Based on other posters it seems like a lot will be from special ed and the social workers, which is concerning as he stated in his presentation that the cuts were to get rid of positions they didn't see as a "priority." Mental health, family support and special education seem to be pretty important! Even when you consider his own slide of what MCPS wants to focus on. And I believe special ed enrollment is increasing, so why limit its support? It's a clever trick to call any non-school based staff "central services" when many are clearly in the schools often, or are benefiting schools directly on a regular basis.


DCUM: "Look at the huge bloat in MCPS central office! Fairfax has a much lower proportion of staff in their central office! Cuts are in order!"

Also DCUM: "Categorizing staff who often are in schools [but who may work across schools] as central is a trick! There's no way we should be cutting these services!"

Um...[checks notes from past DCUM threads]...it's the same kinds of functions, just historically categorized differently between the two systems from an administrative/budgeting perspective


I think we all have the brain capacity to understand that people want less higher level admin who sit in central office all day contributing a questionable amount of value to the system. Versus "central office" staff who actually support schools and do the work Taylor supposedly wants to prioritize. Based on what we know I agree it's disingenuous to use the ill will toward Central office admin bloat as a vague cover to get rid of staff who actually help schools.


That may be the desire, and I don't doubt the capacity. However, I do doubt the general willingness to delve in enough to have the perspective to support effective critical thought about the matter. I'd bet most, if they would look at last year's operating budget documentation, would be astonished at how few there are to support the many things we really want done: sourcing of good curricula, maintenance and improvement of facilities, analysis of initiative/program effectiveness to ensure efforts/$ aren't wasted, etc.,

The management of those FTEs may be wanting and the direction they are given may be beholden to the views of a few towards the top whose objectives may not match those of the community, but that is a different problem from "bloat." Not that I think that there isn't any at all, but that I expect it's not the kind of low-hanging fruit that some seem to think it is.

And I agree with your agreement with my unstated, but, in retrospect, probably implied, notion -- that sentiment shouldn't be used as cover to cut school supports.


DP I think there are a couple issues here:

1. Central office is not popular. They put out a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense, and so people don't like them. Does everyone know exactly which central office people do these things? Of course not. And everyone should be respectful and kind, and I'm sure there are really competent people who are categorized as central office staff who are doing important work either providing direct services in schools or not. But goodness, some of the things certain central office staff say and do are just not helpful and get in the way of MCPS's core mission.
2. It's not in the Superintendent's interest, the BOE's interest or the unions' interest to address the real reason for MCPS's budgetary woes, which is compensation costs. Nobody wants to talk about cutting teacher pensions or raising their healthcare premiums. So it's not surprising that folks look for different scapegoats. There is just no way around the fact that MCPS's costs will keep rising more than inflation for the same services and there isn't the requisite economic growth to pay for more things without tax increases, which is unwise in a recession.


I see from the budget summary that CO is cutting 50 FTEs while having 10 FTEs dedicated to the regional model preparation. So which CO department is going to receive cut? From reading posts from this board, my general impression is at least HR department is extremely short-handed.
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Anonymous wrote:Taylor wants an increase. Where is this money going? How about transparency!


Have you even bothered to look at the details? Almost all
of the increase simply goes to pay and benefits.


That's just part of the money, what about the rest of the money. MCPS has a huge budget and it should be in this kind of mess.


It's 80% of the increase.

Yes, the detailed budget breakdown is important, and presumably they'll release more information publicly as they've done in previous years, but this is a strange thing to get hung up on right now. The idea of a small increase nominally for costs beyond salaries should not be surprising or immediately viewed with suspicion. Inflation drives costs up each year- flat spending is really a cut.


They need to manage the money better. Most of us aren't getting pay raises and many are out of work, which impacts the county revenue and they are tone-deaf not to realize how many families are struggling right now.


Tightening the belt, so to speak, during economic downturns might be acceptable if it wasn't also done during economic booms. We've had 15 years of slow cuts to schools because old people never want to see their taxes go up to help kids.


You do realize many old people are on fixed incomes, right?


Unlike the old people before them?

Old people today are richer than previous generations. Especially here.
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Anonymous wrote:Taylor wants an increase. Where is this money going? How about transparency!


Have you even bothered to look at the details? Almost all
of the increase simply goes to pay and benefits.


That's just part of the money, what about the rest of the money. MCPS has a huge budget and it should be in this kind of mess.


It's 80% of the increase.

Yes, the detailed budget breakdown is important, and presumably they'll release more information publicly as they've done in previous years, but this is a strange thing to get hung up on right now. The idea of a small increase nominally for costs beyond salaries should not be surprising or immediately viewed with suspicion. Inflation drives costs up each year- flat spending is really a cut.


They need to manage the money better. Most of us aren't getting pay raises and many are out of work, which impacts the county revenue and they are tone-deaf not to realize how many families are struggling right now.


Tightening the belt, so to speak, during economic downturns might be acceptable if it wasn't also done during economic booms. We've had 15 years of slow cuts to schools because old people never want to see their taxes go up to help kids.


You do realize many old people are on fixed incomes, right?


Unlike the old people before them?

Old people today are richer than previous generations. Especially here.


you think the majority of taxpayers are rich, and they really aren't.
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Special Education in general is a hot mess. The cuts of staff who provide essential support to schools is going to be disastrous. SPED leadership is clueless.
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Anonymous wrote:Special Education in general is a hot mess. The cuts of staff who provide essential support to schools is going to be disastrous. SPED leadership is clueless.


The central office staff are there to deny services, they don't facilitate anything positive. All of the school-based staff I've interacted with have been great, but I've had the complete opposite experience with the SPED staff in the central office.
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Anonymous wrote:Taylor wants an increase. Where is this money going? How about transparency!


Have you even bothered to look at the details? Almost all
of the increase simply goes to pay and benefits.


That's just part of the money, what about the rest of the money. MCPS has a huge budget and it should be in this kind of mess.


It's 80% of the increase.

Yes, the detailed budget breakdown is important, and presumably they'll release more information publicly as they've done in previous years, but this is a strange thing to get hung up on right now. The idea of a small increase nominally for costs beyond salaries should not be surprising or immediately viewed with suspicion. Inflation drives costs up each year- flat spending is really a cut.


They need to manage the money better. Most of us aren't getting pay raises and many are out of work, which impacts the county revenue and they are tone-deaf not to realize how many families are struggling right now.


Tightening the belt, so to speak, during economic downturns might be acceptable if it wasn't also done during economic booms. We've had 15 years of slow cuts to schools because old people never want to see their taxes go up to help kids.


You do realize many old people are on fixed incomes, right?


Unlike the old people before them?

Old people today are richer than previous generations. Especially here.


you think the majority of taxpayers are rich, and they really aren't.


Old people today are richer than the generations that came before them. And here in MoCo, they're probably sitting on several hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity.
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Anonymous wrote:Special Education in general is a hot mess. The cuts of staff who provide essential support to schools is going to be disastrous. SPED leadership is clueless.


The central office staff are there to deny services, they don't facilitate anything positive. All of the school-based staff I've interacted with have been great, but I've had the complete opposite experience with the SPED staff in the central office.


That has 100 percent been my experience too.
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Anonymous wrote:Taylor wants an increase. Where is this money going? How about transparency!


Have you even bothered to look at the details? Almost all
of the increase simply goes to pay and benefits.


That's just part of the money, what about the rest of the money. MCPS has a huge budget and it should be in this kind of mess.


It's 80% of the increase.

Yes, the detailed budget breakdown is important, and presumably they'll release more information publicly as they've done in previous years, but this is a strange thing to get hung up on right now. The idea of a small increase nominally for costs beyond salaries should not be surprising or immediately viewed with suspicion. Inflation drives costs up each year- flat spending is really a cut.


They need to manage the money better. Most of us aren't getting pay raises and many are out of work, which impacts the county revenue and they are tone-deaf not to realize how many families are struggling right now.


Tightening the belt, so to speak, during economic downturns might be acceptable if it wasn't also done during economic booms. We've had 15 years of slow cuts to schools because old people never want to see their taxes go up to help kids.


You do realize many old people are on fixed incomes, right?


Unlike the old people before them?

Old people today are richer than previous generations. Especially here.


you think the majority of taxpayers are rich, and they really aren't.


Old people today are richer than the generations that came before them. And here in MoCo, they're probably sitting on several hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity.


Rich old people are far more likely to leave the state then to pay taxes they object to.
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Anonymous wrote:Taylor wants an increase. Where is this money going? How about transparency!


Have you even bothered to look at the details? Almost all
of the increase simply goes to pay and benefits.


That's just part of the money, what about the rest of the money. MCPS has a huge budget and it should be in this kind of mess.


It's 80% of the increase.

Yes, the detailed budget breakdown is important, and presumably they'll release more information publicly as they've done in previous years, but this is a strange thing to get hung up on right now. The idea of a small increase nominally for costs beyond salaries should not be surprising or immediately viewed with suspicion. Inflation drives costs up each year- flat spending is really a cut.


They need to manage the money better. Most of us aren't getting pay raises and many are out of work, which impacts the county revenue and they are tone-deaf not to realize how many families are struggling right now.


Tightening the belt, so to speak, during economic downturns might be acceptable if it wasn't also done during economic booms. We've had 15 years of slow cuts to schools because old people never want to see their taxes go up to help kids.


You do realize many old people are on fixed incomes, right?


Unlike the old people before them?

Old people today are richer than previous generations. Especially here.


you think the majority of taxpayers are rich, and they really aren't.


Old people today are richer than the generations that came before them. And here in MoCo, they're probably sitting on several hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity.


Rich old people are far more likely to leave the state then to pay taxes they object to.


Housing problem solved! (j/k)
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Anonymous wrote:Taylor wants an increase. Where is this money going? How about transparency!


Have you even bothered to look at the details? Almost all
of the increase simply goes to pay and benefits.


That's just part of the money, what about the rest of the money. MCPS has a huge budget and it should be in this kind of mess.


It's 80% of the increase.

Yes, the detailed budget breakdown is important, and presumably they'll release more information publicly as they've done in previous years, but this is a strange thing to get hung up on right now. The idea of a small increase nominally for costs beyond salaries should not be surprising or immediately viewed with suspicion. Inflation drives costs up each year- flat spending is really a cut.


They need to manage the money better. Most of us aren't getting pay raises and many are out of work, which impacts the county revenue and they are tone-deaf not to realize how many families are struggling right now.


Tightening the belt, so to speak, during economic downturns might be acceptable if it wasn't also done during economic booms. We've had 15 years of slow cuts to schools because old people never want to see their taxes go up to help kids.


You do realize many old people are on fixed incomes, right?


Unlike the old people before them?

Old people today are richer than previous generations. Especially here.


you think the majority of taxpayers are rich, and they really aren't.


Old people today are richer than the generations that came before them. And here in MoCo, they're probably sitting on several hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity.


Rich old people are far more likely to leave the state then to pay taxes they object to.


Good
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Taylor wants an increase. Where is this money going? How about transparency!


Have you even bothered to look at the details? Almost all
of the increase simply goes to pay and benefits.


That's just part of the money, what about the rest of the money. MCPS has a huge budget and it should be in this kind of mess.


It's 80% of the increase.

Yes, the detailed budget breakdown is important, and presumably they'll release more information publicly as they've done in previous years, but this is a strange thing to get hung up on right now. The idea of a small increase nominally for costs beyond salaries should not be surprising or immediately viewed with suspicion. Inflation drives costs up each year- flat spending is really a cut.


They need to manage the money better. Most of us aren't getting pay raises and many are out of work, which impacts the county revenue and they are tone-deaf not to realize how many families are struggling right now.


Tightening the belt, so to speak, during economic downturns might be acceptable if it wasn't also done during economic booms. We've had 15 years of slow cuts to schools because old people never want to see their taxes go up to help kids.


You do realize many old people are on fixed incomes, right?


Unlike the old people before them?

Old people today are richer than previous generations. Especially here.


you think the majority of taxpayers are rich, and they really aren't.


Old people today are richer than the generations that came before them. And here in MoCo, they're probably sitting on several hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity.


Rich old people are far more likely to leave the state then to pay taxes they object to.


Good


Sounds good, but new rich people are unlikely to move to a state/county with high taxes and a moribund economy, which will leave MoCo with an ever decreasing number of rich people (and shrinking tax base). Who is going to fund MCPS then?
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Anonymous wrote:Taylor wants an increase. Where is this money going? How about transparency!


Have you even bothered to look at the details? Almost all
of the increase simply goes to pay and benefits.


That's just part of the money, what about the rest of the money. MCPS has a huge budget and it should be in this kind of mess.


It's 80% of the increase.

Yes, the detailed budget breakdown is important, and presumably they'll release more information publicly as they've done in previous years, but this is a strange thing to get hung up on right now. The idea of a small increase nominally for costs beyond salaries should not be surprising or immediately viewed with suspicion. Inflation drives costs up each year- flat spending is really a cut.


They need to manage the money better. Most of us aren't getting pay raises and many are out of work, which impacts the county revenue and they are tone-deaf not to realize how many families are struggling right now.


Tightening the belt, so to speak, during economic downturns might be acceptable if it wasn't also done during economic booms. We've had 15 years of slow cuts to schools because old people never want to see their taxes go up to help kids.


You do realize many old people are on fixed incomes, right?


Unlike the old people before them?

Old people today are richer than previous generations. Especially here.


you think the majority of taxpayers are rich, and they really aren't.


Old people today are richer than the generations that came before them. And here in MoCo, they're probably sitting on several hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity.


Rich old people are far more likely to leave the state then to pay taxes they object to.


Good


Sounds good, but new rich people are unlikely to move to a state/county with high taxes and a moribund economy, which will leave MoCo with an ever decreasing number of rich people (and shrinking tax base). Who is going to fund MCPS then?


If the rich won't pay taxes, then we wouldn't be losing anything. Let the old people go, others will move in with jobs and income tax revenue.
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Anonymous wrote:Taylor wants an increase. Where is this money going? How about transparency!


Have you even bothered to look at the details? Almost all
of the increase simply goes to pay and benefits.


That's just part of the money, what about the rest of the money. MCPS has a huge budget and it should be in this kind of mess.


It's 80% of the increase.

Yes, the detailed budget breakdown is important, and presumably they'll release more information publicly as they've done in previous years, but this is a strange thing to get hung up on right now. The idea of a small increase nominally for costs beyond salaries should not be surprising or immediately viewed with suspicion. Inflation drives costs up each year- flat spending is really a cut.


They need to manage the money better. Most of us aren't getting pay raises and many are out of work, which impacts the county revenue and they are tone-deaf not to realize how many families are struggling right now.


Tightening the belt, so to speak, during economic downturns might be acceptable if it wasn't also done during economic booms. We've had 15 years of slow cuts to schools because old people never want to see their taxes go up to help kids.


You do realize many old people are on fixed incomes, right?


Unlike the old people before them?

Old people today are richer than previous generations. Especially here.


you think the majority of taxpayers are rich, and they really aren't.


Old people today are richer than the generations that came before them. And here in MoCo, they're probably sitting on several hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity.


Rich old people are far more likely to leave the state then to pay taxes they object to.


Good


Sounds good, but new rich people are unlikely to move to a state/county with high taxes and a moribund economy, which will leave MoCo with an ever decreasing number of rich people (and shrinking tax base). Who is going to fund MCPS then?


If the rich won't pay taxes, then we wouldn't be losing anything. Let the old people go, others will move in with jobs and income tax revenue.


No they won't. You are delusional.
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Anonymous wrote:Taylor wants an increase. Where is this money going? How about transparency!


Have you even bothered to look at the details? Almost all
of the increase simply goes to pay and benefits.


That's just part of the money, what about the rest of the money. MCPS has a huge budget and it should be in this kind of mess.


It's 80% of the increase.

Yes, the detailed budget breakdown is important, and presumably they'll release more information publicly as they've done in previous years, but this is a strange thing to get hung up on right now. The idea of a small increase nominally for costs beyond salaries should not be surprising or immediately viewed with suspicion. Inflation drives costs up each year- flat spending is really a cut.


They need to manage the money better. Most of us aren't getting pay raises and many are out of work, which impacts the county revenue and they are tone-deaf not to realize how many families are struggling right now.


Tightening the belt, so to speak, during economic downturns might be acceptable if it wasn't also done during economic booms. We've had 15 years of slow cuts to schools because old people never want to see their taxes go up to help kids.


You do realize many old people are on fixed incomes, right?


Unlike the old people before them?

Old people today are richer than previous generations. Especially here.


you think the majority of taxpayers are rich, and they really aren't.


Old people today are richer than the generations that came before them. And here in MoCo, they're probably sitting on several hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity.


Rich old people are far more likely to leave the state then to pay taxes they object to.


Good


Sounds good, but new rich people are unlikely to move to a state/county with high taxes and a moribund economy, which will leave MoCo with an ever decreasing number of rich people (and shrinking tax base). Who is going to fund MCPS then?


If the rich won't pay taxes, then we wouldn't be losing anything. Let the old people go, others will move in with jobs and income tax revenue.


No they won't. You are delusional.


Sounds like it's time for you to move to a red state.
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Anonymous wrote:Taylor wants an increase. Where is this money going? How about transparency!


Have you even bothered to look at the details? Almost all
of the increase simply goes to pay and benefits.


That's just part of the money, what about the rest of the money. MCPS has a huge budget and it should be in this kind of mess.


It's 80% of the increase.

Yes, the detailed budget breakdown is important, and presumably they'll release more information publicly as they've done in previous years, but this is a strange thing to get hung up on right now. The idea of a small increase nominally for costs beyond salaries should not be surprising or immediately viewed with suspicion. Inflation drives costs up each year- flat spending is really a cut.


They need to manage the money better. Most of us aren't getting pay raises and many are out of work, which impacts the county revenue and they are tone-deaf not to realize how many families are struggling right now.


Tightening the belt, so to speak, during economic downturns might be acceptable if it wasn't also done during economic booms. We've had 15 years of slow cuts to schools because old people never want to see their taxes go up to help kids.


NO!

FY 2023, the budget was about $2.92 billion. This rose to $3.165 billion in FY 2024. For FY 2025, the budget increased again to roughly $3.32 billion. The proposed MCPS operating budget for FY 2026 is approximately $3.6 billion, with declining enrollment.

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