DC traffic cameras issued 3.3 MILLION tickets last year

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Anonymous wrote:The number almost doubled from the year before. DC now issues 8 times as many tickets each year as it did a decade ago. We issue twice as many tickets as Chicago, which is SO MUCH BIGGER! Pretty insane.

Hard to see what difference it's made to safety. Here's how many people the police say were killed each year in DC by speeding drivers:

2023: 22
2022: 9
2021: 12
2020: 15
2019: 10
2018: 9
2017: 12
2016: 8
2015: 11
2014: 12
2013: 11

Not really seeing a pattern.

It's striking how speeding deaths don't really change regardless of what the city does.

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Well, I think we would need to bring in a LOT of other numbers to try to make sense of these. Particularly because this period includes so much behavioral upheaval from Covid.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

I knew someone who was killed in DC - on a crosswalk - by a speeding driver who had amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines. You can her death “rate” (sic) and advocate against policies that make our streets safer. I will call her death her preventable and advocate for policies that will prevent DC residents from being frightened, injured, maimed, and killed by reckless drivers.

The driver in this scenario is an extreme outlier. Most people in this city are perfectly safe drivers. The question is why DDOT is burying the city in 3 million tickets when the problem is a tiny number of reckless drivers. It's the traffic equivalent of stationing National Guard troops on every corner in the city because some guy somewhere stabbed someone.

The DC lab study identified 100,000 high risk drivers based on camera tickets.

“Among vehicles with two or more citations, our model was able to correctly identify 65% of those involved in a crash in the following year as high risk. This was a seven percentage-point improvement over ranking vehicles by their total number of tickets and a 47 percentage-point improvement over a rule that identified any vehicle with over 10 tickets of any type or at least two tickets for red-light or severe speeding.”

Seems kinda pointless? If they got a ticket, the government already knows their names.

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Anonymous wrote:The number almost doubled from the year before. DC now issues 8 times as many tickets each year as it did a decade ago. We issue twice as many tickets as Chicago, which is SO MUCH BIGGER! Pretty insane.

Hard to see what difference it's made to safety. Here's how many people the police say were killed each year in DC by speeding drivers:

2023: 22
2022: 9
2021: 12
2020: 15
2019: 10
2018: 9
2017: 12
2016: 8
2015: 11
2014: 12
2013: 11

Not really seeing a pattern.

it's a money maker. it has nothing to do with safety. that's just how they market it.

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One thing I would really like to know more about is the insurance costs for these drivers.

If DC can look at the camera data and predictively identify 65% of the cars involved in collisions over the following 12 months, surely Progressive can too.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing I would really like to know more about is the insurance costs for these drivers.

If DC can look at the camera data and predictively identify 65% of the cars involved in collisions over the following 12 months, surely Progressive can too.

oh stop. insurance companies know a million times more than the friggin dc government about how individual drivers behave.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing I would really like to know more about is the insurance costs for these drivers.

If DC can look at the camera data and predictively identify 65% of the cars involved in collisions over the following 12 months, surely Progressive can too.

oh stop. insurance companies know a million times more than the friggin dc government about how individual drivers behave.

Oh, well I actually looked this up and they aren’t allowed to use camera tickets. Maybe they do anyway I have no idea but theoretically not. Because you can’t tell who was driving and probably that was part of the political sell on the cameras. But loosening those rules would surely be a way to further penalize car owners with a lot of camera tickets.

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DDOT produces semi-annual reports on how many traffic tickets are being issued.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/57939/Introduction/RC26-0069-Introduction.pdf?Id=214617

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Anonymous wrote:I speed a lot on DC roads — the speed limits have been lowered so much over the past few years to really dumb levels. Never gotten a ticket. I mean, how hard is it to learn where the cameras are and just slow down in those specific locations? The number of tickets just shows how dumb people are because they don’t want to spend any brainpower figuring out how where the cameras are. It’s really a stupidity tax.

I live in DC, drive DC roads regularly, and never feel the need to speed whether there is a speed camera around or not. I don’t speed because doing so endangers my life, the lives of other people in my vehicle, and other road users. And that is not a price I’m willing to pay to get to the next red light a few seconds earlier. We’d have a lot fewer accidents, a lot lower insurance premiums, and thousands of fewer traffic deaths if more people weren’t so selfish as to privilege their own convenience over other people’s lives. In other words, SLOW THE F$&K DOWN!

Driving is inherently dangerous, and there's absolutely no data that shows that reducing speed limits on many roads from 35 to 25 resulted in any improvement in safety. If you're really concerned about your life, the lives of your passengers, and other drivers, the solution is not to obey the 25 speed limit and act as though you're better off than the person going 35; it's to avoid driving altogether.

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Anonymous wrote:I speed a lot on DC roads — the speed limits have been lowered so much over the past few years to really dumb levels. Never gotten a ticket. I mean, how hard is it to learn where the cameras are and just slow down in those specific locations? The number of tickets just shows how dumb people are because they don’t want to spend any brainpower figuring out how where the cameras are. It’s really a stupidity tax.

I live in DC, drive DC roads regularly, and never feel the need to speed whether there is a speed camera around or not. I don’t speed because doing so endangers my life, the lives of other people in my vehicle, and other road users. And that is not a price I’m willing to pay to get to the next red light a few seconds earlier. We’d have a lot fewer accidents, a lot lower insurance premiums, and thousands of fewer traffic deaths if more people weren’t so selfish as to privilege their own convenience over other people’s lives. In other words, SLOW THE F$&K DOWN!

Driving is inherently dangerous, and there's absolutely no data that shows that reducing speed limits on many roads from 35 to 25 resulted in any improvement in safety. If you're really concerned about your life, the lives of your passengers, and other drivers, the solution is not to obey the 25 speed limit and act as though you're better off than the person going 35; it's to avoid driving altogether.

You lazy stupid lying dolt: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002243752400152X

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

I knew someone who was killed in DC - on a crosswalk - by a speeding driver who had amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines. You can her death “rate” (sic) and advocate against policies that make our streets safer. I will call her death her preventable and advocate for policies that will prevent DC residents from being frightened, injured, maimed, and killed by reckless drivers.

The driver in this scenario is an extreme outlier. Most people in this city are perfectly safe drivers. The question is why DDOT is burying the city in 3 million tickets when the problem is a tiny number of reckless drivers. It's the traffic equivalent of stationing National Guard troops on every corner in the city because some guy somewhere stabbed someone.

Are you really so dense that you believe those 3 million tickets are uniformly distributed across the population? No, a relatively small number of extremely careless drivers get the tickets. They are outliers and that’s the point. Were their dangerous behavior being appropriately sanctioned victims like Patricia Bullinger would still be alive.

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Anonymous wrote:I speed a lot on DC roads — the speed limits have been lowered so much over the past few years to really dumb levels. Never gotten a ticket. I mean, how hard is it to learn where the cameras are and just slow down in those specific locations? The number of tickets just shows how dumb people are because they don’t want to spend any brainpower figuring out how where the cameras are. It’s really a stupidity tax.

I live in DC, drive DC roads regularly, and never feel the need to speed whether there is a speed camera around or not. I don’t speed because doing so endangers my life, the lives of other people in my vehicle, and other road users. And that is not a price I’m willing to pay to get to the next red light a few seconds earlier. We’d have a lot fewer accidents, a lot lower insurance premiums, and thousands of fewer traffic deaths if more people weren’t so selfish as to privilege their own convenience over other people’s lives. In other words, SLOW THE F$&K DOWN!

Driving is inherently dangerous, and there's absolutely no data that shows that reducing speed limits on many roads from 35 to 25 resulted in any improvement in safety. If you're really concerned about your life, the lives of your passengers, and other drivers, the solution is not to obey the 25 speed limit and act as though you're better off than the person going 35; it's to avoid driving altogether.

You lazy stupid lying dolt: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002243752400152X

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Anonymous wrote:I speed a lot on DC roads — the speed limits have been lowered so much over the past few years to really dumb levels. Never gotten a ticket. I mean, how hard is it to learn where the cameras are and just slow down in those specific locations? The number of tickets just shows how dumb people are because they don’t want to spend any brainpower figuring out how where the cameras are. It’s really a stupidity tax.

I live in DC, drive DC roads regularly, and never feel the need to speed whether there is a speed camera around or not. I don’t speed because doing so endangers my life, the lives of other people in my vehicle, and other road users. And that is not a price I’m willing to pay to get to the next red light a few seconds earlier. We’d have a lot fewer accidents, a lot lower insurance premiums, and thousands of fewer traffic deaths if more people weren’t so selfish as to privilege their own convenience over other people’s lives. In other words, SLOW THE F$&K DOWN!

Driving is inherently dangerous, and there's absolutely no data that shows that reducing speed limits on many roads from 35 to 25 resulted in any improvement in safety. If you're really concerned about your life, the lives of your passengers, and other drivers, the solution is not to obey the 25 speed limit and act as though you're better off than the person going 35; it's to avoid driving altogether.

You lazy stupid lying dolt: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002243752400152X

You bumbling imbecile -- my post was referencing DC, as many clear by the fact that I referenced the reduction from 35 to 25. I wasn't referencing roads in Greece, which are the subject of that study. Where's the data from DC? It doesn't exist, you gaslighting lunatic.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

I knew someone who was killed in DC - on a crosswalk - by a speeding driver who had amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines. You can her death “rate” (sic) and advocate against policies that make our streets safer. I will call her death her preventable and advocate for policies that will prevent DC residents from being frightened, injured, maimed, and killed by reckless drivers.

The driver in this scenario is an extreme outlier. Most people in this city are perfectly safe drivers. The question is why DDOT is burying the city in 3 million tickets when the problem is a tiny number of reckless drivers. It's the traffic equivalent of stationing National Guard troops on every corner in the city because some guy somewhere stabbed someone.

Are you really so dense that you believe those 3 million tickets are uniformly distributed across the population? No, a relatively small number of extremely careless drivers get the tickets. They are outliers and that’s the point. Were their dangerous behavior being appropriately sanctioned victims like Patricia Bullinger would still be alive.

Aside from there being zero evidence that's the case, it's clear you don't drive and also that your math skills are nonexistent. I dont know what you mean by a "tiny" number of drivers but do the math. Do you think those 3.3 million tickets went to, like, 100 people? They'd have to get 90 tickets a day, every single day of the year, for the math to work. Oh you meant 500 people? Doesn't really seem "tiny" but the math is still silly. They'd have to get 18 tickets every single day. 1000 people? 1000 extremely careless drivers seems like a major problem, but I'm pretty sure there's not a single person who gets 9 tickets every single day.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

I knew someone who was killed in DC - on a crosswalk - by a speeding driver who had amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines. You can her death “rate” (sic) and advocate against policies that make our streets safer. I will call her death her preventable and advocate for policies that will prevent DC residents from being frightened, injured, maimed, and killed by reckless drivers.

The driver in this scenario is an extreme outlier. Most people in this city are perfectly safe drivers. The question is why DDOT is burying the city in 3 million tickets when the problem is a tiny number of reckless drivers. It's the traffic equivalent of stationing National Guard troops on every corner in the city because some guy somewhere stabbed someone.

Are you really so dense that you believe those 3 million tickets are uniformly distributed across the population? No, a relatively small number of extremely careless drivers get the tickets. They are outliers and that’s the point. Were their dangerous behavior being appropriately sanctioned victims like Patricia Bullinger would still be alive.

Aside from there being zero evidence that's the case, it's clear you don't drive and also that your math skills are nonexistent. I dont know what you mean by a "tiny" number of drivers but do the math. Do you think those 3.3 million tickets went to, like, 100 people? They'd have to get 90 tickets a day, every single day of the year, for the math to work. Oh you meant 500 people? Doesn't really seem "tiny" but the math is still silly. They'd have to get 18 tickets every single day. 1000 people? 1000 extremely careless drivers seems like a major problem, but I'm pretty sure there's not a single person who gets 9 tickets every single day.

The DC lab study identified 100,000 high risk drivers.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

I knew someone who was killed in DC - on a crosswalk - by a speeding driver who had amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines. You can her death “rate” (sic) and advocate against policies that make our streets safer. I will call her death her preventable and advocate for policies that will prevent DC residents from being frightened, injured, maimed, and killed by reckless drivers.

The driver in this scenario is an extreme outlier. Most people in this city are perfectly safe drivers. The question is why DDOT is burying the city in 3 million tickets when the problem is a tiny number of reckless drivers. It's the traffic equivalent of stationing National Guard troops on every corner in the city because some guy somewhere stabbed someone.

Are you really so dense that you believe those 3 million tickets are uniformly distributed across the population? No, a relatively small number of extremely careless drivers get the tickets. They are outliers and that’s the point. Were their dangerous behavior being appropriately sanctioned victims like Patricia Bullinger would still be alive.

Aside from there being zero evidence that's the case, it's clear you don't drive and also that your math skills are nonexistent. I dont know what you mean by a "tiny" number of drivers but do the math. Do you think those 3.3 million tickets went to, like, 100 people? They'd have to get 90 tickets a day, every single day of the year, for the math to work. Oh you meant 500 people? Doesn't really seem "tiny" but the math is still silly. They'd have to get 18 tickets every single day. 1000 people? 1000 extremely careless drivers seems like a major problem, but I'm pretty sure there's not a single person who gets 9 tickets every single day.

The DC lab study identified 100,000 high risk drivers.

Seems a little ridiculous, no? How do so many supposedly high risk drivers produce so few traffic fatalities? Also, exactly how many drivers do you think there are in DC?