Why are the ICE gestapo allowed to wear masks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am retired from ICE. Plain and simple: in the old days (prior to Trump), it was rare that any ICE law enforcement personnel wore masks. Under Trump, his immigration policies/strategies are so off the charts that it’s become dangerous to be an ICE agent. These guys/gals are your neighbors, attend your churches, etc. By and large, they HATE what they are being pressured to do, but also have to be concerned about their own (and family) safety. They aren’t “nazis” or “gestapo,” they are unfortunately between a rock and a hard place. They either quit (and then where do they go?) or obey the orders they’ve been given. Trump is also hiring thousands of rehired annuitants to supplement ICE resources. These retirees are able to continue to collect their pensions, are getting paid upwards of $195k additional per year, and $50k signing bonuses.

These people are enforcing the laws passed by Congress. If you have an issue with that, work to get the laws changed.

They are frequently violating due process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please point to where it is illegal or against ICE policy to wear masks when carrying out their lawful duties? I'll wait.

Now you’re concerned about legalities? You weren’t concerned when thugs stormed the capitol on January 6. Nor were you concerned when they were pardoned. Clearly, there’s a lot of wiggle room in our laws and norms.

Absolutely.

Try winning an election next time

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am retired from ICE. Plain and simple: in the old days (prior to Trump), it was rare that any ICE law enforcement personnel wore masks. Under Trump, his immigration policies/strategies are so off the charts that it’s become dangerous to be an ICE agent. These guys/gals are your neighbors, attend your churches, etc. By and large, they HATE what they are being pressured to do, but also have to be concerned about their own (and family) safety. They aren’t “nazis” or “gestapo,” they are unfortunately between a rock and a hard place. They either quit (and then where do they go?) or obey the orders they’ve been given. Trump is also hiring thousands of rehired annuitants to supplement ICE resources. These retirees are able to continue to collect their pensions, are getting paid upwards of $195k additional per year, and $50k signing bonuses.

I hear what you are saying but it doesn't sound like a rock and a hard place. it sounds like a rock and really comfortable place. many, many people I know have lost your jobs. I'll save my sympathy for them and the people being detained and sent to concentration camps.

Calm down Francis.

We're rounding up illegals not running gas chambers. Your hyperbole is making it harder to take any of your other complaint seriously.

The mass firing of federal employees is probably illegal but it's not Nazi Germany.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am retired from ICE. Plain and simple: in the old days (prior to Trump), it was rare that any ICE law enforcement personnel wore masks. Under Trump, his immigration policies/strategies are so off the charts that it’s become dangerous to be an ICE agent. These guys/gals are your neighbors, attend your churches, etc. By and large, they HATE what they are being pressured to do, but also have to be concerned about their own (and family) safety. They aren’t “nazis” or “gestapo,” they are unfortunately between a rock and a hard place. They either quit (and then where do they go?) or obey the orders they’ve been given. Trump is also hiring thousands of rehired annuitants to supplement ICE resources. These retirees are able to continue to collect their pensions, are getting paid upwards of $195k additional per year, and $50k signing bonuses.

I hear what you are saying but it doesn't sound like a rock and a hard place. it sounds like a rock and really comfortable place. many, many people I know have lost your jobs. I'll save my sympathy for them and the people being detained and sent to concentration camps.

Calm down Francis.

We're rounding up illegals not running gas chambers. Your hyperbole is making it harder to take any of your other complaint seriously.

The mass firing of federal employees is probably illegal but it's not Nazi Germany.

So swift deportation is now extreme? Tell that to most developed nations on earth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am retired from ICE. Plain and simple: in the old days (prior to Trump), it was rare that any ICE law enforcement personnel wore masks. Under Trump, his immigration policies/strategies are so off the charts that it’s become dangerous to be an ICE agent. These guys/gals are your neighbors, attend your churches, etc. By and large, they HATE what they are being pressured to do, but also have to be concerned about their own (and family) safety. They aren’t “nazis” or “gestapo,” they are unfortunately between a rock and a hard place. They either quit (and then where do they go?) or obey the orders they’ve been given. Trump is also hiring thousands of rehired annuitants to supplement ICE resources. These retirees are able to continue to collect their pensions, are getting paid upwards of $195k additional per year, and $50k signing bonuses.

The Nuremberg defense didn't go so well for many Germans "just following orders."

Nuremberg was after the Allies won and Germany was defeated. It was conducted by the victors. Are you suggesting Democrats stage a coup against a sitting President? There's a word for that, but I can't recall what it is...

The word you are looking for is revolution. The president is the one staging a coup, not the Democrats. Catch up, please.

That’s unlikely, though, and the blue states just have to get their acts together. We can certainly arrest people for illegal acts during this presidency, he’s not going to pardon everyone if he even survives the term. He might not even be immune to everything, because they are far from official acts in many cases.

He’s only a rightfully sitting president if the election is fair, and they are doing their best to cheat.

If your not cheating, you're not trying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am retired from ICE. Plain and simple: in the old days (prior to Trump), it was rare that any ICE law enforcement personnel wore masks. Under Trump, his immigration policies/strategies are so off the charts that it’s become dangerous to be an ICE agent. These guys/gals are your neighbors, attend your churches, etc. By and large, they HATE what they are being pressured to do, but also have to be concerned about their own (and family) safety. They aren’t “nazis” or “gestapo,” they are unfortunately between a rock and a hard place. They either quit (and then where do they go?) or obey the orders they’ve been given. Trump is also hiring thousands of rehired annuitants to supplement ICE resources. These retirees are able to continue to collect their pensions, are getting paid upwards of $195k additional per year, and $50k signing bonuses.

The Nuremberg defense didn't go so well for many Germans "just following orders."

Nuremberg was after the Allies won and Germany was defeated. It was conducted by the victors. Are you suggesting Democrats stage a coup against a sitting President? There's a word for that, but I can't recall what it is...

The word you are looking for is revolution. The president is the one staging a coup, not the Democrats. Catch up, please.

That’s unlikely, though, and the blue states just have to get their acts together. We can certainly arrest people for illegal acts during this presidency, he’s not going to pardon everyone if he even survives the term. He might not even be immune to everything, because they are far from official acts in many cases.

Please explain how a sitting President can stage a coup against himself?

Well to be fair, a South Korean president recently mobilized the army to take over Congress. That seems like a coup by a sitting president.

Most of what trump is doing is being supported by the Republican majority in the house and the Senate. The courts are all that stand in his way and there is not a lot that the courts can do when it comes to executive discretion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) confirms the arrest of 24-year-old Olivia G. Wilkins, a U.S. citizen, after she attempted to run over a Border Patrol Agent who was arresting illegal aliens.

What, if anything, does this have to do with face coverings? This wasn’t a doxxing situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hey, OP!

You are putting a target on their backs by calling them Nazis and gestapo and then you wonder why they wear masks?
Get out of town!

+1

Some crazy person will dox them and an even crazier person will go to their house to harm their family.

-1000

Complete fail. Nobody is going around doxing random police for no reason and it's a bullshit narrative lacking evidence to try and suggest this is happening. Doxing of police is rare and when it does happen it's been in direct response to police acting in abusive and potentially illegal ways.

Plus wearing masks and refusing to identify themselves sets police up for a real and justifiable risk of being shot by.citizens. https://www.foxnews.com/us/2-men-claiming-police-shot-killed-homeowner-authorities-say

Stop defending a bad practice by police, on proven bogus grounds for defending it.

I fully support what ICE is doing. Arresting and deporting those in the country illegally. I’m also ok with them wearing masks due to the previously discussed doxing threat.

Others disagree and that’s fine.

That’s gross, and it’s not fine, so most Americans will continue to fight it.

They're not fighting it NOW. They are not going to continue anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) confirms the arrest of 24-year-old Olivia G. Wilkins, a U.S. citizen, after she attempted to run over a Border Patrol Agent who was arresting illegal aliens.

What, if anything, does this have to do with face coverings? This wasn’t a doxxing situation. [/quote

Next time they might target their aunt May or their butler Alfred]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am retired from ICE. Plain and simple: in the old days (prior to Trump), it was rare that any ICE law enforcement personnel wore masks. Under Trump, his immigration policies/strategies are so off the charts that it’s become dangerous to be an ICE agent. These guys/gals are your neighbors, attend your churches, etc. By and large, they HATE what they are being pressured to do, but also have to be concerned about their own (and family) safety. They aren’t “nazis” or “gestapo,” they are unfortunately between a rock and a hard place. They either quit (and then where do they go?) or obey the orders they’ve been given. Trump is also hiring thousands of rehired annuitants to supplement ICE resources. These retirees are able to continue to collect their pensions, are getting paid upwards of $195k additional per year, and $50k signing bonuses.

These people are enforcing the laws passed by Congress. If you have an issue with that, work to get the laws changed.

Show me exactly where Congress said they could refuse to identify themselves, hide their faces behind masks, violate due process and all of the other abuses. Show me where.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, OP!

You are putting a target on their backs by calling them Nazis and gestapo and then you wonder why they wear masks?
Get out of town!

+1

Some crazy person will dox them and an even crazier person will go to their house to harm their family.

-1000

Complete fail. Nobody is going around doxing random police for no reason and it's a bullshit narrative lacking evidence to try and suggest this is happening. Doxing of police is rare and when it does happen it's been in direct response to police acting in abusive and potentially illegal ways.

Plus wearing masks and refusing to identify themselves sets police up for a real and justifiable risk of being shot by.citizens. https://www.foxnews.com/us/2-men-claiming-police-shot-killed-homeowner-authorities-say

Stop defending a bad practice by police, on proven bogus grounds for defending it.

I fully support what ICE is doing. Arresting and deporting those in the country illegally. I’m also ok with them wearing masks due to the previously discussed doxing threat.

Others disagree and that’s fine.

That’s gross, and it’s not fine, so most Americans will continue to fight it.

They're not fighting it NOW. They are not going to continue anything.

Are you high?

Do you not see people out every day chasing ice away? Identifying them? Letting them know what they are?

If it’s not true, then those losers can please STFU about their imaginary “assaults” again ICE “agents” and crying about being embarrassed when their families find not what they do for a living when identified.

You are in denial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am retired from ICE. Plain and simple: in the old days (prior to Trump), it was rare that any ICE law enforcement personnel wore masks. Under Trump, his immigration policies/strategies are so off the charts that it’s become dangerous to be an ICE agent. These guys/gals are your neighbors, attend your churches, etc. By and large, they HATE what they are being pressured to do, but also have to be concerned about their own (and family) safety. They aren’t “nazis” or “gestapo,” they are unfortunately between a rock and a hard place. They either quit (and then where do they go?) or obey the orders they’ve been given. Trump is also hiring thousands of rehired annuitants to supplement ICE resources. These retirees are able to continue to collect their pensions, are getting paid upwards of $195k additional per year, and $50k signing bonuses.

These people are enforcing the laws passed by Congress. If you have an issue with that, work to get the laws changed.

They are frequently violating due process.

No, they are not.

[Anonymous]

I saw a bunch of masked ICE agents stealing things from a CVS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they don't want to catch the 'rona.

LOL MAGA said the rona was a made up virus....remember. MAGA also screamed that masks were impeding their freedom

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am retired from ICE. Plain and simple: in the old days (prior to Trump), it was rare that any ICE law enforcement personnel wore masks. Under Trump, his immigration policies/strategies are so off the charts that it’s become dangerous to be an ICE agent. These guys/gals are your neighbors, attend your churches, etc. By and large, they HATE what they are being pressured to do, but also have to be concerned about their own (and family) safety. They aren’t “nazis” or “gestapo,” they are unfortunately between a rock and a hard place. They either quit (and then where do they go?) or obey the orders they’ve been given. Trump is also hiring thousands of rehired annuitants to supplement ICE resources. These retirees are able to continue to collect their pensions, are getting paid upwards of $195k additional per year, and $50k signing bonuses.

These people are enforcing the laws passed by Congress. If you have an issue with that, work to get the laws changed.

Show me exactly where Congress said they could refuse to identify themselves, hide their faces behind masks, violate due process and all of the other abuses. Show me where.

Show me the law that says they can't cover their faces. As for the other allegations you've made, let the courts handle those.