If your dc is an athlete (potential recruit) - how are you/dc navigating the sport versus academics?

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Anonymous wrote:Your kid has not seen a lot of d3 games then obviously

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We emphasized academics. Kids sport isn't a lucrative one--not much $ or scholarships for men.

We figured --you could get hurt (kid did miss entire recruiting year with growth-related injury), you could hate the coach, etc., etc.

Our litmus test was: would you want to attend this school if the sport was not part of the equation? Is this school going to serve you the best?

The other factor was both my kids were very high academic kids--naturally straight As in top courses and top test courses (w/out the work it takes most). Their academic record was 'Ivy level'. Firstborn is at an Ivy hook and found out this particular coach does not take walk-ons. This, however, made the club team very competitive since it is filled with kids that left the varsity team because they didn't like the coach, didn't find it compatible with their academics, etc., and Internationals that were of very high caliber but not recruited.

I have a sibling that was not a good student, didn't like school--if it weren't for the sport. The sport is what got him to go to college. So, someone with a kid like that is going to have a different read.

My oldest got offers to transfer to play at much lower ranked academic schools--but we didn't allow it. This also isn't a sport where many are going pro and making good $--so better to have the job.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to throw this out there, but in dcs experience there are lots of d2 out there and they express a lot of interest and offer $. I know a dc who ended up at a d2 and is playing his heart it and loving it. These schools are not known as top academic schools obviously but I assume there are some decent ones.

D2 is the near wasteland of college sports with weak academics and relatively weak sports. There are a few CSU schools which are exceptions but in general it is weak on both vectors. NAIA is the true wasteland though.

Funny I don’t think this dc is unhappy. Was very happy to play and now going to grad school

That's great!, I'm glad things worked for her but if yo know that environment then you fully understand that it is not a fit for your typical high academic athlete, especially one who is good enough to play in the UAA or NESCAC.

Oh so everyone a typical high academic athlete? I didn’t know that.

The OP's question was for a high academic D3 athlete. Feel free to start another thread.

There are kids who are not super academic kids who nonetheless get recruited by academic d3….

I am sure that they do at many very good D3 schools but they do not get recruited to NESCAC, UAA, or other very selective schools like some in the Liberty League, Centennial League and NEWMAC conferences. Lets make sure that we are on the same page when we say "high academic".

I don’t know all the schools off the top of my head like you seem to but I will tell you that I just went and checked and my strong athlete but merely good/decent student is currently getting interest from 4 NESCAC schools who are aware of dcs grades and SAT etc

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UW/W GPA and test scores? What's "merely good/decent" to you?

Dc would likely be at the lower end of their admission ranges but for the sport

They’re a good student, not top. They’re a top athlete, but not elite. KWIM?

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Anonymous wrote:Just to throw this out there, but in dcs experience there are lots of d2 out there and they express a lot of interest and offer $. I know a dc who ended up at a d2 and is playing his heart it and loving it. These schools are not known as top academic schools obviously but I assume there are some decent ones.

D2 is the near wasteland of college sports with weak academics and relatively weak sports. There are a few CSU schools which are exceptions but in general it is weak on both vectors. NAIA is the true wasteland though.

Funny I don’t think this dc is unhappy. Was very happy to play and now going to grad school

That's great!, I'm glad things worked for her but if yo know that environment then you fully understand that it is not a fit for your typical high academic athlete, especially one who is good enough to play in the UAA or NESCAC.

Oh so everyone a typical high academic athlete? I didn’t know that.

The OP's question was for a high academic D3 athlete. Feel free to start another thread.

There are kids who are not super academic kids who nonetheless get recruited by academic d3….

I am sure that they do at many very good D3 schools but they do not get recruited to NESCAC, UAA, or other very selective schools like some in the Liberty League, Centennial League and NEWMAC conferences. Lets make sure that we are on the same page when we say "high academic".

I don’t know all the schools off the top of my head like you seem to but I will tell you that I just went and checked and my strong athlete but merely good/decent student is currently getting interest from 4 NESCAC schools who are aware of dcs grades and SAT etc

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UW/W GPA and test scores? What's "merely good/decent" to you?

Dc would likely be at the lower end of their admission ranges but for the sport

They’re a good student, not top. They’re a top athlete, but not elite. KWIM?

How do you know the admission ranges for their sport at the schools they got offers from? If you're taking about the CDS data for the general population, it's very common for athletic recruits to be in the lowest quartile of stats.

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The amount you have to self-recruit in my kids' sport is insanity. It's a full-time job. We weren't all in for that. We saw so families that were that came up short when all was said and done---and the kid suffered a bit academically.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to throw this out there, but in dcs experience there are lots of d2 out there and they express a lot of interest and offer $. I know a dc who ended up at a d2 and is playing his heart it and loving it. These schools are not known as top academic schools obviously but I assume there are some decent ones.

D2 is the near wasteland of college sports with weak academics and relatively weak sports. There are a few CSU schools which are exceptions but in general it is weak on both vectors. NAIA is the true wasteland though.

Funny I don’t think this dc is unhappy. Was very happy to play and now going to grad school

That's great!, I'm glad things worked for her but if yo know that environment then you fully understand that it is not a fit for your typical high academic athlete, especially one who is good enough to play in the UAA or NESCAC.

Oh so everyone a typical high academic athlete? I didn’t know that.

The OP's question was for a high academic D3 athlete. Feel free to start another thread.

There are kids who are not super academic kids who nonetheless get recruited by academic d3….

I am sure that they do at many very good D3 schools but they do not get recruited to NESCAC, UAA, or other very selective schools like some in the Liberty League, Centennial League and NEWMAC conferences. Lets make sure that we are on the same page when we say "high academic".

I don’t know all the schools off the top of my head like you seem to but I will tell you that I just went and checked and my strong athlete but merely good/decent student is currently getting interest from 4 NESCAC schools who are aware of dcs grades and SAT etc

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UW/W GPA and test scores? What's "merely good/decent" to you?

Dc would likely be at the lower end of their admission ranges but for the sport

They’re a good student, not top. They’re a top athlete, but not elite. KWIM?

How do you know the admission ranges for their sport at the schools they got offers from? If you're taking about the CDS data for the general population, it's very common for athletic recruits to be in the lowest quartile of stats.

Well yeah I guess that’s what I’m saying. Dc is not a C student getting recruiting interest from a top academic school is my point. But he’s also not a top straight A 1600 SAT Ivy level student like the poster above who also plays a sport very well.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount you have to self-recruit in my kids' sport is insanity. It's a full-time job. We weren't all in for that. We saw so families that were that came up short when all was said and done---and the kid suffered a bit academically.

That hasn’t been our experience so far but we shall see.

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Anonymous wrote:We emphasized academics. Kids sport isn't a lucrative one--not much $ or scholarships for men.

We figured --you could get hurt (kid did miss entire recruiting year with growth-related injury), you could hate the coach, etc., etc.

Our litmus test was: would you want to attend this school if the sport was not part of the equation? Is this school going to serve you the best?

The other factor was both my kids were very high academic kids--naturally straight As in top courses and top test courses (w/out the work it takes most). Their academic record was 'Ivy level'. Firstborn is at an Ivy hook and found out this particular coach does not take walk-ons. This, however, made the club team very competitive since it is filled with kids that left the varsity team because they didn't like the coach, didn't find it compatible with their academics, etc., and Internationals that were of very high caliber but not recruited.

I have a sibling that was not a good student, didn't like school--if it weren't for the sport. The sport is what got him to go to college. So, someone with a kid like that is going to have a different read.

My oldest got offers to transfer to play at much lower ranked academic schools--but we didn't allow it. This also isn't a sport where many are going pro and making good $--so better to have the job.

Your kids sound extremely compliant!

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter was recruited by several lower level D1 teams and a bunch of D3 programs. Initially she was focused on the D1 programs. But the more she talked with them, the more it became clear that while they would be happy to have her, she wasn’t going to get significant scholarship money. While she was going to be a star of most of the D3 programs she talked to. Also we had a lot of talks about what happens in four years because her sport doesn’t go pro.

She is going to a D3 school where she applied regular decision but with a coach “recommendation”.

Is this common? DC is being asked to apply ED or REA. Can you negotiate RD and still get coach support?

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The "greatness" of a team can change. The coach can change. The player could become injured and never play. Never choose a Div 3 school because of the team.

Re: time focused on HS sports vs HS academics, I would not allow more than a .5 overall unweighted difference in gpa because of sports participation. If you have an A student, slipping to a B+, ok. Ok by me. But not an A student slipping more. And not a B student becoming a C student because of sports. I'm usually ok if the student feels they need to adjust the level of rigor to their HS schedule.

Healthy sleep and convenience/inconvenience to the family as a whole - those are very important to us.

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Anonymous wrote:struggling a bit with DD as she is a runner with an offer of support from tippy top D3 but wants to see if ivy+ doors open after fall cross country. She has made tremendous improvement but won’t be evident and provide a recruitable lift until later in season, long past when these things are usually done. The D3 school will want to wrap things up by mid September with offers of support, so timing may not work for us - it really is like game theory to a large extent

I know a track kid (not CC) who didn’t get placed until mid spring. Track is very black and white as you know. It’s a gamble

Lots of kids apply to top academic D1s without coach support and then later are able to walk on to the teams when they get in, but don’t they have their offers of coach support nailed down by early fall?

This is less likely to happen now that roster limits are in place. The ncaa settlement has really changed up recruiting, so much advice is stale. Without the sport I can’t provide good advice (parent of 3 D1 athletes in different sports)[/quote]

What sports? Curious why you’re posting on a college board if your dc are all in college already….

Pretty simple, more than one child and not all in college.

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Anonymous wrote:The "greatness" of a team can change. The coach can change. The player could become injured and never play. Never choose a Div 3 school because of the team.

Re: time focused on HS sports vs HS academics, I would not allow more than a .5 overall unweighted difference in gpa because of sports participation. If you have an A student, slipping to a B+, ok. Ok by me. But not an A student slipping more. And not a B student becoming a C student because of sports. I'm usually ok if the student feels they need to adjust the level of rigor to their HS schedule.

Healthy sleep and convenience/inconvenience to the family as a whole - those are very important to us.

Changing schools is not as big of a deal as non athlete parents make it out to be.

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We listed all the schools he was willing to go to academically... Ivy, Patriot League, NESCAC and a few others.

We listed the schools by athletic ranking.

He was not a top 10 kid, he was more like a 10-30 kid.

We targeted the schools that intersected.

Three showed interest and 1 finally worked out, by the skin of one's teeth.

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Anonymous wrote:struggling a bit with DD as she is a runner with an offer of support from tippy top D3 but wants to see if ivy+ doors open after fall cross country. She has made tremendous improvement but won’t be evident and provide a recruitable lift until later in season, long past when these things are usually done. The D3 school will want to wrap things up by mid September with offers of support, so timing may not work for us - it really is like game theory to a large extent

I know a track kid (not CC) who didn’t get placed until mid spring. Track is very black and white as you know. It’s a gamble

Lots of kids apply to top academic D1s without coach support and then later are able to walk on to the teams when they get in, but don’t they have their offers of coach support nailed down by early fall?

This is less likely to happen now that roster limits are in place. The ncaa settlement has really changed up recruiting, so much advice is stale. Without the sport I can’t provide good advice (parent of 3 D1 athletes in different sports)[/quote]

What sports? Curious why you’re posting on a college board if your dc are all in college already….

Pretty simple, more than one child and not all in college.

3 dc at d1 colleges and you have more to go? Wow. That’s a big family. Are you religious?