Experience with Middlebury College?

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Anonymous wrote:I've heard they're going through serious fiscal trouble at Middlebury.

Not sure about “serious.” They have a $14M budget deficit this year, of which $9M is from the Middlebury Institute in California. They also have a $1.4B endowment and sub 14% acceptance rate. I’m sure they’ll be just fine.

They have had huge budget deficits for 5 years running; it is not just Monterey but declining enrollment in all Midd schools abroad. They raised enrollment by over 10% due to budget issues. They increased the proportion of ED students dramatically two years ago. Because of budget issues. Duh.

More nonsense. They are raising enrollment by about 50-75 kids overall because they built a new dorm with…wait for it….50 more beds. Everything else you are spouting is nonsense except for MIIS having a nagging budget deficit.

They increased enrollment by 300 in 2021 to 2800, said every year they were going back down to 2500 — and that the enrollment increase was temporary — and then (after applications were in this year; info sessions for the class of 2029 said enrollment would return to 2500) only recently announced that the increase is permanent.

Here is the cite from institutional research itself:
https://www.middlebury.edu/assessment-institutional-research/institutional-data/middlebury-college

Your own link proves you wrong. Why do you keep doing this? They over enrolled by 300 during Covid and they have been dropping every year since. They recently announce that they are going from their historic 2550 to between 2600 and 2650 which coincides with the opening of their new dorm which holds 50 more students than the one it replaces.

You have been corrected before, why do you persist?

Year Enrollment
2021 2580
2022. 2858 (announcement temporary, next year 2500)
2023. 2773 (announcement temporary, next year 2500; kids living off campus, at Midd Inn, and being paid 10k not to attend school)
2024. 2760 (announcement temporary, next year 2500)

Recent announcement: enrollment increase permanent. Yes, they “claim” it is only 2650. Another Midd marketing lie. Why?

Cite: “The college expects to welcome 640 new students this September and 115 Febs in early 2026. These figures are higher than Middlebury’s normal enrollment pattern of 600 additions in September, followed by 100 Febs. By increasing the size of incoming first year classes, the college has said it hopes to generate revenue to escape its $14.1 million deficit…” https://www.middleburycampus.com/article/2025/05/applications-drop-to-five-year-low-as-acceptance-rate-increases

Hint: decreasing enrollment by 100-150 kids by enrolling a freshman class with 55 more students than the previous year (which had a 2760 enrollment) does not a 2650 enrollment make.

But don’t trust me, Midd marketing person: come back and see the stats next year. When I am proven right, yet again, I am sure you will come up with something.

You are an idiot but you are persistent, I will give you that. But that said, you do really make this easy.

Start with the easy part, the answer.

"the college has said it hopes to generate revenue to escape its $14.1 million deficit"

The college did not say that, a student reporter did.

Typical ON CAMPUS class size is (and has been for years) about 2550-2600 kids and spring 2024 the population was 2546 after a huge Feb class of 233 kids graduated.

Middlebury even publishes the trended data:

https://www.middlebury.edu/assessment-institutional-research/institutional-data/middlebury-college

They have one more year to year and a half in this state because of the huge bulge from the class entering in 2021 and 2022 (some kids took leaves of absence) which needs to finish working their way through the system. By next year most of the Covid bubble will be over and things will back to normal.

The link that you so kindly shared shows a class size of 640 (40 over historical) along with 115 Febs which aligns with what they want to do which is take the on campus population up by 50 to 70 spots up to 2630-2650 over time as they open their new dorm (50 beds bigger) and refurbish an older dorm. Pretty much a non-event.

I really don't understand your angst but as long as you keep persisting with lies I'll keep batting you down.

That’s…how reporting works? If the Nytimes says trump said in a press conference that he’s going to declare war…the statement doesn’t become illegitimate because the nytimes and not literally Donald trump wrote those words.

[Anonymous]

Why does every conversation that involves Middlebury always turn into a pissing match between people with obvious grudges and people who are blindly loyal to the college? There doesn't seem to be a middle ground. Either Middlebury sucks and is going out of business next year or it's the best college in the country. It's a great school in a beautiful location that isn't for everyone. It has enrollment problems and is carrying a deficit, but it has an AA long-term credit rating and a $1.4B endowment. And it has new leadership starting in a week.

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Anonymous wrote:The video of Middlebury College in March was depressing. The NE US is not a good place to be in Feb or March--especially if affected by SAD.

Better than a shthole red state any day of the year.

Sewanee is quite beautiful

Very beautiful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does every conversation that involves Middlebury always turn into a pissing match between people with obvious grudges and people who are blindly loyal to the college? There doesn't seem to be a middle ground. Either Middlebury sucks and is going out of business next year or it's the best college in the country. It's a great school in a beautiful location that isn't for everyone. It has enrollment problems and is carrying a deficit, but it has an AA long-term credit rating and a $1.4B endowment. And it has new leadership starting in a week.

I'm not seeing anyone calling out Middlebury as the best college in the country. I am seeing several posters not allowing someone with an obvious grudge against Middlebury to post misleading information without any response.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does every conversation that involves Middlebury always turn into a pissing match between people with obvious grudges and people who are blindly loyal to the college? There doesn't seem to be a middle ground. Either Middlebury sucks and is going out of business next year or it's the best college in the country. It's a great school in a beautiful location that isn't for everyone. It has enrollment problems and is carrying a deficit, but it has an AA long-term credit rating and a $1.4B endowment. And it has new leadership starting in a week.

I'm not seeing anyone calling out Middlebury as the best college in the country. I am seeing several posters not allowing someone with an obvious grudge against Middlebury to post misleading information without any response.

Because you're deeply infatuated with hearing your voice. There have been fair critiques on this post. Grow up, please.

[Anonymous]

I think there's one person with an obvious personal grudge who makes every thread about SLACS about middlebury and this enrollment thing. I could care less about Midd, but this person is so nuts they bring out a lot of Midd defenders

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's one person with an obvious personal grudge who makes every thread about SLACS about middlebury and this enrollment thing. I could care less about Midd, but this person is so nuts they bring out a lot of Midd defenders

You're the same poster as previous. Please grow up, get a hobby, and take care of your kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think there's one person with an obvious personal grudge who makes every thread about SLACS about middlebury and this enrollment thing. I could care less about Midd, but this person is so nuts they bring out a lot of Midd defenders

Nailed it!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The video of Middlebury College in March was depressing. The NE US is not a good place to be in Feb or March--especially if affected by SAD.

Better than a shthole red state any day of the year.

Sewanee is quite beautiful

Very beautiful.

Too bad it’s in one of the shttiest shthole states. Gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The video of Middlebury College in March was depressing. The NE US is not a good place to be in Feb or March--especially if affected by SAD.

Better than a shthole red state any day of the year.

Sewanee is quite beautiful

Very beautiful.

Too bad it’s in one of the shttiest shthole states. Gross.

Yes because when I think of an oppressed class of people who need to worry about policy issues, it’s wealthy college kids who really get the crap end of the stick.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The video of Middlebury College in March was depressing. The NE US is not a good place to be in Feb or March--especially if affected by SAD.

Better than a shthole red state any day of the year.

Sewanee is quite beautiful

Very beautiful.

Too bad it’s in one of the shttiest shthole states. Gross.

Yes because when I think of an oppressed class of people who need to worry about policy issues, it’s wealthy college kids who really get the crap end of the stick.

They were referring to Tennessee which is where Seawanee is located.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The video of Middlebury College in March was depressing. The NE US is not a good place to be in Feb or March--especially if affected by SAD.

Better than a shthole red state any day of the year.

Sewanee is quite beautiful

Very beautiful.

Too bad it’s in one of the shttiest shthole states. Gross.

Yes because when I think of an oppressed class of people who need to worry about policy issues, it’s wealthy college kids who really get the crap end of the stick.

There are many reasons to avoid shthole states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does every conversation that involves Middlebury always turn into a pissing match between people with obvious grudges and people who are blindly loyal to the college? There doesn't seem to be a middle ground. Either Middlebury sucks and is going out of business next year or it's the best college in the country. It's a great school in a beautiful location that isn't for everyone. It has enrollment problems and is carrying a deficit, but it has an AA long-term credit rating and a $1.4B endowment. And it has new leadership starting in a week.

I'm not seeing anyone calling out Middlebury as the best college in the country. I am seeing several posters not allowing someone with an obvious grudge against Middlebury to post misleading information without any response.

Because you're deeply infatuated with hearing your voice. There have been fair critiques on this post. Grow up, please.

Show me a single post in this thread that refers to Middlebury as the best college in the country? I haven't seen a single one.

I've seen discussion about the students, Vermont weather, Rigor, Upstate NY weather, the lack of success for DVM applicants, etc. but nothing about Middlebury being the best college in the country or even in the NESCAC. I'm surprised that nobody has commented on the number of athletes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've heard they're going through serious fiscal trouble at Middlebury.

Not sure about “serious.” They have a $14M budget deficit this year, of which $9M is from the Middlebury Institute in California. They also have a $1.4B endowment and sub 14% acceptance rate. I’m sure they’ll be just fine.

They have had huge budget deficits for 5 years running; it is not just Monterey but declining enrollment in all Midd schools abroad. They raised enrollment by over 10% due to budget issues. They increased the proportion of ED students dramatically two years ago. Because of budget issues. Duh.

More nonsense. They are raising enrollment by about 50-75 kids overall because they built a new dorm with…wait for it….50 more beds. Everything else you are spouting is nonsense except for MIIS having a nagging budget deficit.

They increased enrollment by 300 in 2021 to 2800, said every year they were going back down to 2500 — and that the enrollment increase was temporary — and then (after applications were in this year; info sessions for the class of 2029 said enrollment would return to 2500) only recently announced that the increase is permanent.

Here is the cite from institutional research itself:
https://www.middlebury.edu/assessment-institutional-research/institutional-data/middlebury-college

Your own link proves you wrong. Why do you keep doing this? They over enrolled by 300 during Covid and they have been dropping every year since. They recently announce that they are going from their historic 2550 to between 2600 and 2650 which coincides with the opening of their new dorm which holds 50 more students than the one it replaces.

You have been corrected before, why do you persist?

Year Enrollment
2021 2580
2022. 2858 (announcement temporary, next year 2500)
2023. 2773 (announcement temporary, next year 2500; kids living off campus, at Midd Inn, and being paid 10k not to attend school)
2024. 2760 (announcement temporary, next year 2500)

Recent announcement: enrollment increase permanent. Yes, they “claim” it is only 2650. Another Midd marketing lie. Why?

Cite: “The college expects to welcome 640 new students this September and 115 Febs in early 2026. These figures are higher than Middlebury’s normal enrollment pattern of 600 additions in September, followed by 100 Febs. By increasing the size of incoming first year classes, the college has said it hopes to generate revenue to escape its $14.1 million deficit…” https://www.middleburycampus.com/article/2025/05/applications-drop-to-five-year-low-as-acceptance-rate-increases

Hint: decreasing enrollment by 100-150 kids by enrolling a freshman class with 55 more students than the previous year (which had a 2760 enrollment) does not a 2650 enrollment make.

But don’t trust me, Midd marketing person: come back and see the stats next year. When I am proven right, yet again, I am sure you will come up with something.

Interesting that Midd says the purpose of the increased enrollment is to generate revenue and thereby help close the budget deficit. Midd claims to be “need blind” in admissions, so how exactly does increasing enrollment lead to more revenue? If you’re need blind, the additional students might need more aid, thereby increasing, not decreasing, your budget deficit. Midd, just come out and acknowledge what we all know already, you’re not really “need blind.”

This explains Midd’s recent shift to the “take 70% of class ED model.” You can be “need blind” all you want, but the demographics of ED skew heavily full pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've heard they're going through serious fiscal trouble at Middlebury.

Not sure about “serious.” They have a $14M budget deficit this year, of which $9M is from the Middlebury Institute in California. They also have a $1.4B endowment and sub 14% acceptance rate. I’m sure they’ll be just fine.

They have had huge budget deficits for 5 years running; it is not just Monterey but declining enrollment in all Midd schools abroad. They raised enrollment by over 10% due to budget issues. They increased the proportion of ED students dramatically two years ago. Because of budget issues. Duh.

More nonsense. They are raising enrollment by about 50-75 kids overall because they built a new dorm with…wait for it….50 more beds. Everything else you are spouting is nonsense except for MIIS having a nagging budget deficit.

They increased enrollment by 300 in 2021 to 2800, said every year they were going back down to 2500 — and that the enrollment increase was temporary — and then (after applications were in this year; info sessions for the class of 2029 said enrollment would return to 2500) only recently announced that the increase is permanent.

Here is the cite from institutional research itself:
https://www.middlebury.edu/assessment-institutional-research/institutional-data/middlebury-college

Your own link proves you wrong. Why do you keep doing this? They over enrolled by 300 during Covid and they have been dropping every year since. They recently announce that they are going from their historic 2550 to between 2600 and 2650 which coincides with the opening of their new dorm which holds 50 more students than the one it replaces.

You have been corrected before, why do you persist?

Year Enrollment
2021 2580
2022. 2858 (announcement temporary, next year 2500)
2023. 2773 (announcement temporary, next year 2500; kids living off campus, at Midd Inn, and being paid 10k not to attend school)
2024. 2760 (announcement temporary, next year 2500)

Recent announcement: enrollment increase permanent. Yes, they “claim” it is only 2650. Another Midd marketing lie. Why?

Cite: “The college expects to welcome 640 new students this September and 115 Febs in early 2026. These figures are higher than Middlebury’s normal enrollment pattern of 600 additions in September, followed by 100 Febs. By increasing the size of incoming first year classes, the college has said it hopes to generate revenue to escape its $14.1 million deficit…” https://www.middleburycampus.com/article/2025/05/applications-drop-to-five-year-low-as-acceptance-rate-increases

Hint: decreasing enrollment by 100-150 kids by enrolling a freshman class with 55 more students than the previous year (which had a 2760 enrollment) does not a 2650 enrollment make.

But don’t trust me, Midd marketing person: come back and see the stats next year. When I am proven right, yet again, I am sure you will come up with something.

Interesting that Midd says the purpose of the increased enrollment is to generate revenue and thereby help close the budget deficit. Midd claims to be “need blind” in admissions, so how exactly does increasing enrollment lead to more revenue? If you’re need blind, the additional students might need more aid, thereby increasing, not decreasing, your budget deficit. Midd, just come out and acknowledge what we all know already, you’re not really “need blind.”

This explains Midd’s recent shift to the “take 70% of class ED model.” You can be “need blind” all you want, but the demographics of ED skew heavily full pay.

How then do you then explain that the percentage of kids on financial aid has stayed relatively the same?