DD failed both reading and math SOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a high school literacy teacher I just want to say that if she retakes a 389, it could go either way. It’s only a few questions, so passing is possible. If she doesn’t, and they put her into a literacy support elective, please don’t opt out of it. The SOL is *not* a hard test, so if kids can’t pass it, even with retakes, they legitimately could use reading intervention.

I'm not a teacher but I am the mom of a child with dyslexia that wasn't diagnosed until 6th grade. My child has passed the reading SOL every year - so I agree with this PP. If your child didn't pass, you need to have her evaluated and get her help.

Me again - my child had also been seeing the reading specialist all through ES and she STILL passed the SOL. OP, if you don't get your child evaluated, you are doing her a great disservice. Tutoring is not going to help in the same way that intensive remediation for a learning disability will.

OP here. I did speak to her teacher about testing her today. She said I am welcomed to do the referral but that she has not seen enough evidence to indicate that there is any type of disability. I will still put in the referral and she is supportive but said for her part she repeated again that she does not have enough evidence to make her think that DD has a learning disability.

You still haven't answered what her grades and Iready scores looked like throughout the year. Is this the first indication of something being wrong?

Also, the teacher has no training in identifying learning disabilities, don't listen to her.

I could have some interesting how you all immediately think she might have a learning disability. No one asked did she rush? Has she been putting an effort this year?

There are a lot of reasons why kids don’t do well in school and a learning disability is one of many.

I am the person you are quoting, and that is why I keep asking the question - what have her grades and iready scores been like so far? If they've all been fine, and there haven't been any previous indications of her daughter doing poorly in reading and math, then there probably isn't a problem. But OP for some strange reason is refusing to answer that question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The SOL deserve some credit here. The SOL scores alerted the OP that their DD needs additional assistance. Several posters have chimed in with similar experiences.

The child is in 6th grade, why is this just coming to light? I would guess that OPs kid has passed proficient but in the lower end of the scores and has had lower percentile iReady's for a while. There is no way that this is a suddent thing. This has to be something that has been brewing but OP has been fine with whatever the scores have been. Good for OP for acting now but I suspect that there have been other signs.

At least at our school, I begged in IEP meetings for them to look at my child's low 400s reading scores on the SOL to try to figure out where he was going wrong. Primarily, I wanted to know whether it was a reading issue, a comprehension issue, or a test taking issue. It wasn't until he failed, that anyone at the school gave a damn. And they were able to raise his score 50 points in 3 days, so I doubt it was a true reading/comprehension issue. The issue isn't always the parents. Especially in this world of electronic learning, we don't always have the information we need to help our kids.

That's because low 400 scores are passing, it means your child is meeting the standards and there is nothing wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most important thing is to decline the retake. No need to make her sit though all that again.

Tell me more about this. It had not crossed my mind not to have it retake it because I was hoping she could get to the passing grade but is there really no benefit for her to do it?

Don't do the retake- it does not benefit your child at all!

It does benefit a rising 7th grader to have a passing SOL score. There are previous posts about this. A failing SOL score typically causes a student to be placed in an extra support class during 7th grade. This means giving up an elective.

So, failing is GOOD when the kids needs extra support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most important thing is to decline the retake. No need to make her sit though all that again.

Tell me more about this. It had not crossed my mind not to have it retake it because I was hoping she could get to the passing grade but is there really no benefit for her to do it?

Anyone have experience with these intervention classes? Are they any good?
Don't do the retake- it does not benefit your child at all!

It does benefit a rising 7th grader to have a passing SOL score. There are previous posts about this. A failing SOL score typically causes a student to be placed in an extra support class during 7th grade. This means giving up an elective.

So, failing is GOOD when the kids needs extra support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most important thing is to decline the retake. No need to make her sit though all that again.

Tell me more about this. It had not crossed my mind not to have it retake it because I was hoping she could get to the passing grade but is there really no benefit for her to do it?

Don't do the retake- it does not benefit your child at all!

It does benefit a rising 7th grader to have a passing SOL score. There are previous posts about this. A failing SOL score typically causes a student to be placed in an extra support class during 7th grade. This means giving up an elective.

So, failing is GOOD when the kids needs extra support.

What do we know about these classes? Are they any good? Anyone have experience with the one at Twain?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most important thing is to decline the retake. No need to make her sit though all that again.

Tell me more about this. It had not crossed my mind not to have it retake it because I was hoping she could get to the passing grade but is there really no benefit for her to do it?

Don't do the retake- it does not benefit your child at all!

It does benefit a rising 7th grader to have a passing SOL score. There are previous posts about this. A failing SOL score typically causes a student to be placed in an extra support class during 7th grade. This means giving up an elective.

So, failing is GOOD when the kids needs extra support.

What do we know about these classes? Are they any good? Anyone have experience with the one at Twain?

the literacy class is terrible. Opt out of that and keep the elective the kids pick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most important thing is to decline the retake. No need to make her sit though all that again.

Tell me more about this. It had not crossed my mind not to have it retake it because I was hoping she could get to the passing grade but is there really no benefit for her to do it?

Don't do the retake- it does not benefit your child at all!

It does benefit a rising 7th grader to have a passing SOL score. There are previous posts about this. A failing SOL score typically causes a student to be placed in an extra support class during 7th grade. This means giving up an elective.

So, failing is GOOD when the kids needs extra support.

What do we know about these classes? Are they any good? Anyone have experience with the one at Twain?

the literacy class is terrible. Opt out of that and keep the elective the kids pick.

That is not true, at most schools. I know where I teach, most kids make substantial gains from the literacy class, as seen in every metric - words correct per minute, core phonics, I-ready, SOL. And far, far fewer kids are coming to middle school as beginning decoders, thanks to OG in elementary, so “finishing up” OG in middle school has good long-term impact for high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most important thing is to decline the retake. No need to make her sit though all that again.

Tell me more about this. It had not crossed my mind not to have it retake it because I was hoping she could get to the passing grade but is there really no benefit for her to do it?

Don't do the retake- it does not benefit your child at all!

It does benefit a rising 7th grader to have a passing SOL score. There are previous posts about this. A failing SOL score typically causes a student to be placed in an extra support class during 7th grade. This means giving up an elective.

So, failing is GOOD when the kids needs extra support.

What do we know about these classes? Are they any good? Anyone have experience with the one at Twain?

the literacy class is terrible. Opt out of that and keep the elective the kids pick.

That is not true, at most schools. I know where I teach, most kids make substantial gains from the literacy class, as seen in every metric - words correct per minute, core phonics, I-ready, SOL. And far, far fewer kids are coming to middle school as beginning decoders, thanks to OG in elementary, so “finishing up” OG in middle school has good long-term impact for high school.

Who's getting OG in elementary school? Very, very few.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most important thing is to decline the retake. No need to make her sit though all that again.

Tell me more about this. It had not crossed my mind not to have it retake it because I was hoping she could get to the passing grade but is there really no benefit for her to do it?

Don't do the retake- it does not benefit your child at all!

It does benefit a rising 7th grader to have a passing SOL score. There are previous posts about this. A failing SOL score typically causes a student to be placed in an extra support class during 7th grade. This means giving up an elective.

So, failing is GOOD when the kids needs extra support.

It’s more that, with the way special education works, you CANNOT receive extra support until we’ve collected data that shows there is negative academic impact. A student cannot get an IEP without that, and additional services such as reading intervention aren’t justifiable when a kid is reading on grade level and passing SOLs, even with “only” a 400. There must be a persistent pattern of a student not achieving grade level progress for additional support to be able to be provided. There aren’t endless resources to be putting kids who get “just” a 410 on the reading SOLs into reading intervention or giving them IEPs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most important thing is to decline the retake. No need to make her sit though all that again.

Tell me more about this. It had not crossed my mind not to have it retake it because I was hoping she could get to the passing grade but is there really no benefit for her to do it?

Don't do the retake- it does not benefit your child at all!

It does benefit a rising 7th grader to have a passing SOL score. There are previous posts about this. A failing SOL score typically causes a student to be placed in an extra support class during 7th grade. This means giving up an elective.

So, failing is GOOD when the kids needs extra support.

What do we know about these classes? Are they any good? Anyone have experience with the one at Twain?

the literacy class is terrible. Opt out of that and keep the elective the kids pick.

That is not true, at most schools. I know where I teach, most kids make substantial gains from the literacy class, as seen in every metric - words correct per minute, core phonics, I-ready, SOL. And far, far fewer kids are coming to middle school as beginning decoders, thanks to OG in elementary, so “finishing up” OG in middle school has good long-term impact for high school.

Who's getting OG in elementary school? Very, very few.

Nobody. That PP must mean phonics based reading instruction. Orton Gillingham is not the standard of elementary education- almost no educators are even trained in it.

[Anonymous]

If a kid who is on the borderline fails, they will often pass somewhere in the low 400s. However, I’ve occasionally seen solid readers fail and then get up to the high 400s on the retake.

If you think your child did her best but needs some reading support, it may not be worth retaking. However, if this was a fluke (it does happen), retaking and passing could open up more opportunities in MS.

[Anonymous]

I remember when my then third grader failed the math SOL. I didn't make kid retake it. Turned out the math teacher was a mean girl bully who was picking on my kid. Didn't find out until kid left that teacher's classroom. Kid is now looking at being a math major in college. Excellent at math. Don't sweat it too much. It doesn't matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I remember when my then third grader failed the math SOL. I didn't make kid retake it. Turned out the math teacher was a mean girl bully who was picking on my kid. Didn't find out until kid left that teacher's classroom. Kid is now looking at being a math major in college. Excellent at math. Don't sweat it too much. It doesn't matter.

But even in your story, it mattered, you found out why your son failed. That’s what the OP is trying to determine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The SOL deserve some credit here. The SOL scores alerted the OP that their DD needs additional assistance. Several posters have chimed in with similar experiences.

The child is in 6th grade, why is this just coming to light? I would guess that OPs kid has passed proficient but in the lower end of the scores and has had lower percentile iReady's for a while. There is no way that this is a suddent thing. This has to be something that has been brewing but OP has been fine with whatever the scores have been. Good for OP for acting now but I suspect that there have been other signs.

At least at our school, I begged in IEP meetings for them to look at my child's low 400s reading scores on the SOL to try to figure out where he was going wrong. Primarily, I wanted to know whether it was a reading issue, a comprehension issue, or a test taking issue. It wasn't until he failed, that anyone at the school gave a damn. And they were able to raise his score 50 points in 3 days, so I doubt it was a true reading/comprehension issue. The issue isn't always the parents. Especially in this world of electronic learning, we don't always have the information we need to help our kids.

That's because low 400 scores are passing, it means your child is meeting the standards and there is nothing wrong.

400 is not a good score, even if it is passing. As we found out, one or two questions in the other direction and you fail. And had they intervened when I asked and given him the skills he was missing (which really were test taking skills) he would not have failed the SOL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The SOL deserve some credit here. The SOL scores alerted the OP that their DD needs additional assistance. Several posters have chimed in with similar experiences.

The child is in 6th grade, why is this just coming to light? I would guess that OPs kid has passed proficient but in the lower end of the scores and has had lower percentile iReady's for a while. There is no way that this is a suddent thing. This has to be something that has been brewing but OP has been fine with whatever the scores have been. Good for OP for acting now but I suspect that there have been other signs.

At least at our school, I begged in IEP meetings for them to look at my child's low 400s reading scores on the SOL to try to figure out where he was going wrong. Primarily, I wanted to know whether it was a reading issue, a comprehension issue, or a test taking issue. It wasn't until he failed, that anyone at the school gave a damn. And they were able to raise his score 50 points in 3 days, so I doubt it was a true reading/comprehension issue. The issue isn't always the parents. Especially in this world of electronic learning, we don't always have the information we need to help our kids.

That's because low 400 scores are passing, it means your child is meeting the standards and there is nothing wrong.

400 is not a good score, even if it is passing. As we found out, one or two questions in the other direction and you fail. And had they intervened when I asked and given him the skills he was missing (which really were test taking skills) he would not have failed the SOL.

So your child needs an IEP for test taking skills? I’m so confused by you, lady.