Will Villanova become more competitive than ND or Georgetown?

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Will the Pope guarantee you go to heaven if you are Villanova grad?

Maybe that will move the needle.

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Give Villanova 5 years and they will surpass BC which is stagnant.

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None are remotely close to ND. BC and Villanova in the 40-60 ranking, save money and go to a Southern flagship.

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BC has been ranked #37 for years. It's not going to surpass ND or GU. And V will not surpass any of them. Villanova is relatively new to the USNWR National U rankings. Previously it was considered only for the Regional ranking. It does have a lovely new B building.

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Anonymous wrote:BC has been ranked #37 for years. It's not going to surpass ND or GU. And V will not surpass any of them. Villanova is relatively new to the USNWR National U rankings. Previously it was considered only for the Regional ranking. It does have a lovely new B building.

Moving from regional to national and achieving its current ranking is a testament to great leadership and a bright future. Never say never

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Anonymous wrote:Give Villanova 5 years and they will surpass BC which is stagnant.

Yup. Both have a provost but only one has a Prevost

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the matriculation numbers for perhaps best Jesuit high school in country Regis in NYC Holy Cross outperforms all the others and HC enrollment at 3200 kids is a fraction of Villanova and Boston College same applies for Loyola and Fenwick in Chicago. Alumni success in high profile positions matters Holy Cross, Gtown and ND have it. Take a tour of the top
Catholic schools and look at the ivy growing on older buildings, ND, Holy Cross, and Georgetown have it. The campuses at Villanova, BC, Fairfield and Providence are newer buildings reflecting their transitions to residential colleges,

Way to twist those facts. Based on your questionable logic, Georgetown is #1 Catholic, then BC, and Fordham (tied), then Notre Dame, then Holy Cross.

So if that is the basis of your analysis, which is super weak to begin with, then you are completely wrong. But I'm sure you will now move the goalposts.

https://www.regis.org/downloads/2024%20Regis%20School%20Final%20Profile-v1-1.pdf

Bad argument. The Regis students who go to Jesuit schools benefit from a HUGE hook. My interpretation would be that the ones who go to Holy Cross were not admitted (even though they had a huge hook) to Georgetown or BC.

This is a bad take. I have a son who went to Regis. BC and Georgetown have pretty thin FA and there are plenty of upper middle class families at Regis with more than 2 kids who feel squeezed by those two schools in particular. I heard it frequently. Holy Cross has better merit, more full rides available, at least one Regis kid per year takes that over BC/Georgetown. We also have NMF kids who will take Fordham's scholarship offer over BC and Georgetown acceptances. There's a Santa Clara full ride recipient this year taking it over ND and Georgetown. ND seems to have plenty of 20-25k scholarships and kids will take those over BC and Georgetown too, even if they had some preference for GU. Regis kids get the money part and what that means to their families.

Thanks! I think you made my point -- Regis grads are choosing Holy Cross, Santa Clara, and Fordham (all great schools!) for merit/ financial reasons. Georgetown offers no merit. BC does -- Stamps and Gabelli -- so it would be interesting to see students who won those scholarships choosing Holy Cross over them.

I was pushing back against the idea that Regis students were choosing Holy Cross over Georgetown and BC when all things were equal.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the matriculation numbers for perhaps best Jesuit high school in country Regis in NYC Holy Cross outperforms all the others and HC enrollment at 3200 kids is a fraction of Villanova and Boston College same applies for Loyola and Fenwick in Chicago. Alumni success in high profile positions matters Holy Cross, Gtown and ND have it. Take a tour of the top
Catholic schools and look at the ivy growing on older buildings, ND, Holy Cross, and Georgetown have it. The campuses at Villanova, BC, Fairfield and Providence are newer buildings reflecting their transitions to residential colleges,

Way to twist those facts. Based on your questionable logic, Georgetown is #1 Catholic, then BC, and Fordham (tied), then Notre Dame, then Holy Cross.

So if that is the basis of your analysis, which is super weak to begin with, then you are completely wrong. But I'm sure you will now move the goalposts.

https://www.regis.org/downloads/2024%20Regis%20School%20Final%20Profile-v1-1.pdf

Bad argument. The Regis students who go to Jesuit schools benefit from a HUGE hook. My interpretation would be that the ones who go to Holy Cross were not admitted (even though they had a huge hook) to Georgetown or BC.

This is a bad take. I have a son who went to Regis. BC and Georgetown have pretty thin FA and there are plenty of upper middle class families at Regis with more than 2 kids who feel squeezed by those two schools in particular. I heard it frequently. Holy Cross has better merit, more full rides available, at least one Regis kid per year takes that over BC/Georgetown. We also have NMF kids who will take Fordham's scholarship offer over BC and Georgetown acceptances. There's a Santa Clara full ride recipient this year taking it over ND and Georgetown. ND seems to have plenty of 20-25k scholarships and kids will take those over BC and Georgetown too, even if they had some preference for GU. Regis kids get the money part and what that means to their families.

Thanks! I think you made my point -- Regis grads are choosing Holy Cross, Santa Clara, and Fordham (all great schools!) for merit/ financial reasons. Georgetown offers no merit. BC does -- Stamps and Gabelli -- so it would be interesting to see students who won those scholarships choosing Holy Cross over them.

I was pushing back against the idea that Regis students were choosing Holy Cross over Georgetown and BC when all things were equal.

They probably aren’t choosing HC over Georgetown given Georgetown’s amazing urban location, national reputation, and the school of foreign service. HC v BC is a question of size and liberal arts v preprocessing. Both have similar networks in the northeast.

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Anonymous wrote:^Nope. ND>Georgetown>Holy Cross>Nova=BC. Georgetown is most secular and gets perhaps a higher% of non Catholic applicants. ND has the huge endowment and football branding advantage. Holy Cross has niche spot of being top25 LAC. Now Villanova has some great news but needed as US News rank fell to 58 fairly low. BC and Villanova rely on sports success for favorability- football and hoops respectively. But ND, Georgetown, and HC have a larger much older prestige advantage to overcome don’t believe even Pope Leo can overcome.

Nope but closer.

It was ND>Georgetown>BC=Villanova>Holy Cross

Now ND>Georgetown>Villanova>BC>Holy Cross

Nope.

Georgetown is much farther down thst list for Catholics.

Perhaps. But it is also the only one non-Catholics will consider so it has a much broader applicant pool. I know plenty of Jews who would apply to Georgetown but none of the others.

And the post is about desirability of Catholic Universities for Catholic students.

Yes, but Georgetown will have much better selectivity metrics because of its broader applicant pool.

I work on Wall Street. I would hire a Georgetown grad in a heartbeat over Holy Cross. I know there is the tight Holy Cross network that takes care of itself but otherwise it is perceived as lower. I also know tons of Chaminade, Regis, and Delbarton grads and the ranking I provided is how those schools rank them.

I don't understand why Holy Cross is propped up on DCUM like Bucknell, Northeastern and a few others. Perfectly fine school but their aggressive alums/fans try way to hard to make them seem more impressive than they are.

You answered your own question. Someone who a rising freshman at HC has a Mommy or Daddy spamming this board, and forcing HC into every thread— even where it really, really doesn’t belong. It’s tiresome, and I report the worst offenses. But, hopefully that person will calm down. Certainly none of these Bucknell, Northeastern, IF YOU DON’T LIKE UVA, YOU ARE AN INSANE LIAR!!!!! posts are very transparently and a huge turn off.

I’m Catholic, but have mixed feelings about it. Georgetown for SFS/ IR is the only one I would want my kid to consider.

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Notre Dame is tops, Georgetown is distant second, and Holy Cross is third. Gap then aforementioned Boston College gap Villanova and then 100 other regional Catholic schools. Best campus University of San Diego(Catholic school). Ask most non Catholic Ivy grads and will get same response.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame is tops, Georgetown is distant second, and Holy Cross is third. Gap then aforementioned Boston College gap Villanova and then 100 other regional Catholic schools. Best campus University of San Diego(Catholic school). Ask most non Catholic Ivy grads and will get same response.

Aforementioned BC tops aforementioned HC.

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Anonymous wrote:2025 ranking Villanova is 58

A quick climb to the 30s would require a miracle. Prayers up wildcats!

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame is tops, Georgetown is distant second, and Holy Cross is third. Gap then aforementioned Boston College gap Villanova and then 100 other regional Catholic schools. Best campus University of San Diego(Catholic school). Ask most non Catholic Ivy grads and will get same response.

Aforementioned BC tops aforementioned HC.

Not if you care about career outcomes

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HC has a 150 year headstart on Boston College. Won’t close the gap meanwhile crosstown hockey rival is right with the Eagles in rankings. Holy Cross never had a nursing school, school of education (teachers) or a part time night school. The Cross is known fot doctors, lawyers and CEO’s. Simple question why did the Ivies play Holy Cross in the 1890’s and no other Catholic schools(HC is the most played non Ivy for HY, Brown and Dartmouth). The Wasp elites respected HC and not the others. Holy Cross grads have been very successful since the 1840’s.

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Anonymous wrote:HC has a 150 year headstart on Boston College. Won’t close the gap meanwhile crosstown hockey rival is right with the Eagles in rankings. Holy Cross never had a nursing school, school of education (teachers) or a part time night school. The Cross is known fot doctors, lawyers and CEO’s. Simple question why did the Ivies play Holy Cross in the 1890’s and no other Catholic schools(HC is the most played non Ivy for HY, Brown and Dartmouth). The Wasp elites respected HC and not the others. Holy Cross grads have been very successful since the 1840’s.

Doctor>nurse