I want to better understand the "Crunchy MAGA" right wing wellness phenomenon

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Anonymous wrote:One other difference is that Democrats spend time on sites like this, which censors any discussion of corporate revenues from vaccines. Lol. They want you thinking of vaccines as a science/philanthropy situation, whereas MAHA understands that the vaccine business is a for-profit business. Liberal crunchies get their info from the pharma-affiliated establishment, so there’s a lot they just aren’t aware of.

If you think Democrats get out vaccine info from DCUM, that is really funny. I don't know where my MAGA family gets their vaccine info but frequently state complete lies like "it changes your DNA" or "Covid vaccines were not tested in animals" or "no existing vaccines were ever tested against placebo" and also do not know how to use a research search database nor have ever had to read nor critique a scientific research article.

They probably get their info the same place Kamala I'm-not-taking-it-if-Trump-develops-it Harris does.

Actually not what she said.

They only know what they’ve been told to believe about what she said. Same as always.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that both movements are rooted in purity, rejection of expertise, and anti-modernism. The alt right rallies around less benign forms of these (racial purity vs. food purity).

It’s not a far journey from “back to the land” to homesteading, tradwives, idealizing women as barefoot and pregnant, and then the rolling back of women’s rights. Similarly, for people concerned about their health who pay attention to research on food additives, it’s not too much of a stretch to go from “corporations are putting profits above people” to “scientists and doctors are not to be trusted”.

Pretty much this.

These people are "winnable" for Dems if they weren't tied to making everything gay/trans.

Also everyone realized climate change was a scam, so that's instantly discrediting for many now

? Does everyone realize that "climate change is a scam"? That's news to me. Certainly, progressives don't think it's a scam, and neither do most educated people.

Climate change is absolutely not "a scam" nor "a hoax"
And, Democrats DO NOT "make everything about the gays and LGBT."

This is right wing propaganda in action.

The real question is, how do Democrats fight this kind of delusional nonsense?

Find some way to clip the wings of the purveyors of this trash propaganda, fight fire with fire?

What would Republicans do if the roles were reversed and it was Democrats constantly spamming the airwaves with delusional lies?

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It's a scam. Any initiatives towards it are not measurable. It's a money pit.

"Temp is down .000000001 degrees! Finally, progress! It must be something we've done!"

We should all be underwater a decade ago according to Al Gore, inventor of the internet and other "social justicians" and their "expert" predictions.


Liberal retort ----> How dare you!

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The thing I have noticed is that these health lifestyle influencers on the MAGA side almost always have a flirtatious side. It’s rare to see an influencer over there that is unattractive. To be honest most female MAGA health influencers are two steps away from an OnlyFans account if they dont yet already have one.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a scam. Any initiatives towards it are not measurable. It's a money pit.

"Temp is down .000000001 degrees! Finally, progress! It must be something we've done!"

We should all be underwater a decade ago according to Al Gore, inventor of the internet and other "social justicians" and their "expert" predictions.


Liberal retort ----> How dare you!

"We can't do anything about it!"

Oh really?

We fixed acid rain.
We fixed the hole in the ozone layer.
China is putting in more solar than the entire rest of the world combined. Along with thorium reactors and other innovations, while our own dummy Republicans are still stuck in the 1850s with "moar coal" idiocy.

We can, and should fix it.
We CAN fix it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a crunchy wellness person. I'm a vegan, I live in Takoma Park, grow a lot of my own food, and I do yoga. I am vaccinated but skeptical of Big Pharma, I tend to use medications as a last resort if lifestyle modifications don't work.

I want to learn more about the people who agree with Trump and RFK's MAHA movement. I'm trying to make this a friendly question although I can't help but point out the logical inconsistencies.

For example - you want to get chemicals out of food and water - me too! So why do you vote for the party that wants to deregulate industries?
You're skeptical of Big Pharma - me too! But do you think Republicans don't take donations from pharmaceutical companies?

What about the environment? Most yogis that I practice with are very cognizant of climate change and sustainability and protecting wildlife. I would also agree with criticisms from the right about the global scale climate initiatives being a lot of feel-good greenwashing, and that wealthy elites are hypocrites when they fly on private jets to a climate conference. So does this mean throw the baby out with the bathwater and Drill, Baby, Drill? And allow corporations to pollute everything?

I also agree that obesity is a problem and that we should eat healthier. Again, why do you feel Republicans are the people to make this happen? Especially when their standard-bearer is obese himself? To be quite frank, a lot of this attitude I'm seeing seems to be less about Make America Healthy Again, but more making it an individualistic superiority complex about shaming people without the resources to live healthier (they live in food deserts, have long commutes and sit at multiple jobs all day, cannot afford a single family home to have their own gardens, etc) and bragging about your own ability to be healthy, rather than enabling the (gasp) government to make it easier for people to be healthy?

It's a fundamental mistrust of various institutions.

It’s a selective mistrust. They don’t trust people that have nothing to gain from a public health intervention (see dentists- they lose money when kids have fluoride. $20 fluoride applications have nothing on the $20k they make to rebuild a mouth of rotting teeth). Yet the conspiracy theorists unquestionably trust people who are selling them snake oil at wildly inflated prices.

The truth is there is no individual control. Your well water has no fluoride but it is full of PFAS. Our environment is so polluted even your lovingly tended backyard garden is going to produce veggies full of lead and other toxins. You can’t trust your supplement makers because there is zero regulation and zero accountability. Science is the best we got. It isn’t perfect and it’s always prone to bias, but it is the best we have.

If you have an RO filter, no PFAS in well water.

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Anonymous wrote:The European Union (EU) has stricter food safety and additive regulations compared to countries like the U.S., which results in some common American food ingredients being banned or heavily restricted in European foods. Here are key additives and ingredients typically not found (or tightly controlled) in EU foods:

1. Artificial Food Dyes (Certain Ones)

Banned or restricted:
• Yellow #5 (Tartrazine)
• Yellow #6 (Sunset Yellow)
• Red #40
• Blue #1 and Blue #2

In the EU, these dyes must carry warning labels if used, which has led many manufacturers to replace them with natural colorings like beet juice, turmeric, or paprika extract.

2. Brominated Vegetable Oil (BVO)
• Used in citrus-flavored sodas in the U.S. (e.g., Mountain Dew).
• Banned in the EU due to concerns over bromine buildup in the body, which may affect the nervous system and thyroid.

3. Potassium Bromate
• A dough conditioner used in commercial bread-making in the U.S.
• Banned in the EU because it is a possible human carcinogen.

4. rBGH / rBST (Recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone)
• Growth hormone used in dairy cows to increase milk production.
• Banned in the EU since 1999 due to animal welfare concerns and potential health risks.

5. Azodicarbonamide (ADA)
• A bleaching agent and dough conditioner found in some breads and fast food buns.
• Banned in the EU because it can break down into carcinogenic byproducts like urea and semicarbazide.

6. Synthetic Preservatives (Some Types)
• BHA (Butylated hydroxyanisole) and BHT (Butylated hydroxytoluene): used to preserve fats and cereals.
• Banned or restricted in the EU due to potential links to cancer and endocrine disruption.

7. GMOs (Genetically Modified Organisms)
• Heavily restricted. Any GMO-containing products must be clearly labeled in the EU, and many EU countries ban GMO cultivation outright.

8. Titanium Dioxide (E171)
• Used as a whitening agent in candies and toothpaste.
• Banned in the EU since 2022 because of its potential DNA-damaging effects.

9. Certain Artificial Sweeteners
• Some sweeteners like Cyclamate are banned in the U.S. but allowed in the EU in limited quantities, while others like Saccharin are allowed but more tightly regulated in Europe

Also for the defenders of bureaucracy:

In most of Europe, direct-to-consumer (DTC) advertising of prescription drugs is prohibited by law. This is a major contrast with the United States and New Zealand, the only two developed countries that allow it.

Banning GMO crops is completely unscientific and there is literally no evidence to suggest that they are harmful.