Is green card marriage fraud common?

[Anonymous]

Best part is you only need to stay married for three years. Then you can divorce and you keep your USA citizenship! Of course if you need their money, don’t divorce, just keep playing along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?

Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.

So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!

The people who most do this have nothing to lose - no money, no real career, no education, no assets, no skills.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why my comment was deleted. This is very common in African immigrant communities in the U.S.

Here is another completely unsubstantiated claim.

It's well known if you've been a part of or around those communities. It's not like they a registry of these types of marriages. If you don't want to believe it, fine.

Fraud is provable. Therefore, it is trackable. So show me some evidence.

This is dumb. Not every crime is prosecuted and accounted for. Doesn't mean it is not happening. Do you want me to list the names of people I know who I know who have been in such marriages?

The only reason this guy got caught was because he is political and an opponent probably put a hit job out on him. Happens literally all. the. time.

https://apnews.com/general-news-9769aa3c7556efad4a15babdfbd206c5

Believe it or don't. I'm not doing any more homework for you.

You're the only one believing things you can't prove. But you think I'm dumb? Do you even know how crime statistics work?

Believing? I know, for a fact. I have seen it. Very frequently.

Enjoy keeping your head in the sand though.

THEN PROVE IT!!!!!! That's all I'm asking. Facts are provable.

Learn to use google. It's extremely common in African immigrant communities, even if the authorities don't always catch it. Your stance is akin to using the number of speeding tickets as an accurate gauge for how frequent people engage in speeding. Silly.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article230939273.html

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/nigerian-marriage-fraud-leader-and-2-associates-convicted-houston

https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/man-who-arranged-sham-marriages-between-nigerians-and-us-citizens-found-guilty

We use the measures that we have. So if you are claiming that it’s very common you should be able to prove that. You haven’t been able to. No one ever claimed that there are fraud cases. I myself said that this country is huge and the sheer size of the beautocracy would mean some people fall through the cracks. That doesn’t mean that fraud is wide spread or very common. A couple of individual cases that got prosecuted (which just provides my point actually) does not mean that fraud is wide spread.

Now you are just playing silly semantic games. What constitutes common? widespread? What are you looking for percentages here?

Realize, you are the outlier here. OP is about common and now you are introducing the concept of "widespread".

Tell us what crime you believe is widespread or common and what data or metric you are using to make that claim. Does any crime qualify? Please show supporting evidence.

You are making the claim that it is very common and wide spread, so shouldn’t you have to explain what that is? In the sane, educated people universe those making claims should have the burden of supporting them.

I see you are deflecting now. You have nothing, troll.

So typical of you MAGAts. You make a claim you can’t support and then everyone else is a troll.

Our educated justice warrior sure is agressive!!

And the stories of green card fraud keep pouring in LMAO

Prove it you moron. You keep saying it but can’t prove it. You realize how dumb that makes you look right?

You are talking to multiple people you dolt. It's already been explained to you why some people think this scam is more than just some rare occurrence. But you want the "data."

You just don't get it.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why my comment was deleted. This is very common in African immigrant communities in the U.S.

Here is another completely unsubstantiated claim.

It's well known if you've been a part of or around those communities. It's not like they a registry of these types of marriages. If you don't want to believe it, fine.

Fraud is provable. Therefore, it is trackable. So show me some evidence.

This is dumb. Not every crime is prosecuted and accounted for. Doesn't mean it is not happening. Do you want me to list the names of people I know who I know who have been in such marriages?

The only reason this guy got caught was because he is political and an opponent probably put a hit job out on him. Happens literally all. the. time.

https://apnews.com/general-news-9769aa3c7556efad4a15babdfbd206c5

Believe it or don't. I'm not doing any more homework for you.

You're the only one believing things you can't prove. But you think I'm dumb? Do you even know how crime statistics work?

Believing? I know, for a fact. I have seen it. Very frequently.

Enjoy keeping your head in the sand though.

THEN PROVE IT!!!!!! That's all I'm asking. Facts are provable.

Learn to use google. It's extremely common in African immigrant communities, even if the authorities don't always catch it. Your stance is akin to using the number of speeding tickets as an accurate gauge for how frequent people engage in speeding. Silly.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article230939273.html

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/nigerian-marriage-fraud-leader-and-2-associates-convicted-houston

https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/man-who-arranged-sham-marriages-between-nigerians-and-us-citizens-found-guilty

We use the measures that we have. So if you are claiming that it’s very common you should be able to prove that. You haven’t been able to. No one ever claimed that there are fraud cases. I myself said that this country is huge and the sheer size of the beautocracy would mean some people fall through the cracks. That doesn’t mean that fraud is wide spread or very common. A couple of individual cases that got prosecuted (which just provides my point actually) does not mean that fraud is wide spread.

Now you are just playing silly semantic games. What constitutes common? widespread? What are you looking for percentages here?

Realize, you are the outlier here. OP is about common and now you are introducing the concept of "widespread".

Tell us what crime you believe is widespread or common and what data or metric you are using to make that claim. Does any crime qualify? Please show supporting evidence.

You are making the claim that it is very common and wide spread, so shouldn’t you have to explain what that is? In the sane, educated people universe those making claims should have the burden of supporting them.

I see you are deflecting now. You have nothing, troll.

So typical of you MAGAts. You make a claim you can’t support and then everyone else is a troll.

Our educated justice warrior sure is agressive!!

And the stories of green card fraud keep pouring in LMAO

Prove it you moron. You keep saying it but can’t prove it. You realize how dumb that makes you look right?

You are talking to multiple people you dolt. It's already been explained to you why some people think this scam is more than just some rare occurrence. But you want the "data."

You just don't get it.

No, I don’t think you get why your personal feelings and beliefs that this is wide spread count. Prove it or get lost once and for all. Your bigotry and ignorance is discussing.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why my comment was deleted. This is very common in African immigrant communities in the U.S.

Here is another completely unsubstantiated claim.

It's well known if you've been a part of or around those communities. It's not like they a registry of these types of marriages. If you don't want to believe it, fine.

Fraud is provable. Therefore, it is trackable. So show me some evidence.

This is dumb. Not every crime is prosecuted and accounted for. Doesn't mean it is not happening. Do you want me to list the names of people I know who I know who have been in such marriages?

The only reason this guy got caught was because he is political and an opponent probably put a hit job out on him. Happens literally all. the. time.

https://apnews.com/general-news-9769aa3c7556efad4a15babdfbd206c5

Believe it or don't. I'm not doing any more homework for you.

You're the only one believing things you can't prove. But you think I'm dumb? Do you even know how crime statistics work?

Believing? I know, for a fact. I have seen it. Very frequently.

Enjoy keeping your head in the sand though.

THEN PROVE IT!!!!!! That's all I'm asking. Facts are provable.

Learn to use google. It's extremely common in African immigrant communities, even if the authorities don't always catch it. Your stance is akin to using the number of speeding tickets as an accurate gauge for how frequent people engage in speeding. Silly.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article230939273.html

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/nigerian-marriage-fraud-leader-and-2-associates-convicted-houston

https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/man-who-arranged-sham-marriages-between-nigerians-and-us-citizens-found-guilty

We use the measures that we have. So if you are claiming that it’s very common you should be able to prove that. You haven’t been able to. No one ever claimed that there are fraud cases. I myself said that this country is huge and the sheer size of the beautocracy would mean some people fall through the cracks. That doesn’t mean that fraud is wide spread or very common. A couple of individual cases that got prosecuted (which just provides my point actually) does not mean that fraud is wide spread.

Now you are just playing silly semantic games. What constitutes common? widespread? What are you looking for percentages here?

Realize, you are the outlier here. OP is about common and now you are introducing the concept of "widespread".

Tell us what crime you believe is widespread or common and what data or metric you are using to make that claim. Does any crime qualify? Please show supporting evidence.

You are making the claim that it is very common and wide spread, so shouldn’t you have to explain what that is? In the sane, educated people universe those making claims should have the burden of supporting them.

I see you are deflecting now. You have nothing, troll.

So typical of you MAGAts. You make a claim you can’t support and then everyone else is a troll.

Our educated justice warrior sure is agressive!!

And the stories of green card fraud keep pouring in LMAO

Prove it you moron. You keep saying it but can’t prove it. You realize how dumb that makes you look right?

You are talking to multiple people you dolt. It's already been explained to you why some people think this scam is more than just some rare occurrence. But you want the "data."

You just don't get it.

No, I don’t think you get why your personal feelings and beliefs that this is wide spread count. Prove it or get lost once and for all. Your bigotry and ignorance is discussing.

You are calling random people Maga magots and bigots because they are simply explaining to you that you can't prove something that goes undetected. U get lost you nasty old hen! Haha

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We know a few questionable marriages. Im not sure if they are mail order or scam marriages.

One guy we know has a new wife who brought her son. She has money and it is very obvious she only married him for a green card. It isn’t clear if they are an actual couple or not.

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Not sure why the eye roll. Everyone thinks it is a sham marriage.

A few of my friends have have extended family who are also in questionable marriages.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why my comment was deleted. This is very common in African immigrant communities in the U.S.

Here is another completely unsubstantiated claim.

It's well known if you've been a part of or around those communities. It's not like they a registry of these types of marriages. If you don't want to believe it, fine.

Fraud is provable. Therefore, it is trackable. So show me some evidence.

This is dumb. Not every crime is prosecuted and accounted for. Doesn't mean it is not happening. Do you want me to list the names of people I know who I know who have been in such marriages?

The only reason this guy got caught was because he is political and an opponent probably put a hit job out on him. Happens literally all. the. time.

https://apnews.com/general-news-9769aa3c7556efad4a15babdfbd206c5

Believe it or don't. I'm not doing any more homework for you.

You're the only one believing things you can't prove. But you think I'm dumb? Do you even know how crime statistics work?

Believing? I know, for a fact. I have seen it. Very frequently.

Enjoy keeping your head in the sand though.

THEN PROVE IT!!!!!! That's all I'm asking. Facts are provable.

Learn to use google. It's extremely common in African immigrant communities, even if the authorities don't always catch it. Your stance is akin to using the number of speeding tickets as an accurate gauge for how frequent people engage in speeding. Silly.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article230939273.html

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/nigerian-marriage-fraud-leader-and-2-associates-convicted-houston

https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/man-who-arranged-sham-marriages-between-nigerians-and-us-citizens-found-guilty

We use the measures that we have. So if you are claiming that it’s very common you should be able to prove that. You haven’t been able to. No one ever claimed that there are fraud cases. I myself said that this country is huge and the sheer size of the beautocracy would mean some people fall through the cracks. That doesn’t mean that fraud is wide spread or very common. A couple of individual cases that got prosecuted (which just provides my point actually) does not mean that fraud is wide spread.

Now you are just playing silly semantic games. What constitutes common? widespread? What are you looking for percentages here?

Realize, you are the outlier here. OP is about common and now you are introducing the concept of "widespread".

Tell us what crime you believe is widespread or common and what data or metric you are using to make that claim. Does any crime qualify? Please show supporting evidence.

You are making the claim that it is very common and wide spread, so shouldn’t you have to explain what that is? In the sane, educated people universe those making claims should have the burden of supporting them.

I see you are deflecting now. You have nothing, troll.

So typical of you MAGAts. You make a claim you can’t support and then everyone else is a troll.

Our educated justice warrior sure is agressive!!

And the stories of green card fraud keep pouring in LMAO

Prove it you moron. You keep saying it but can’t prove it. You realize how dumb that makes you look right?

You are talking to multiple people you dolt. It's already been explained to you why some people think this scam is more than just some rare occurrence. But you want the "data."

You just don't get it.

No, I don’t think you get why your personal feelings and beliefs that this is wide spread count. Prove it or get lost once and for all. Your bigotry and ignorance is discussing.

You are calling random people Maga magots and bigots because they are simply explaining to you that you can't prove something that goes undetected. U get lost you nasty old hen! Haha

Well if it’s undetected than it doesn’t exist, right? Otherwise, how would you know? You just “feel” its true and therefore we shoul all believe you? Hahahahaha

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We know a few questionable marriages. Im not sure if they are mail order or scam marriages.

One guy we know has a new wife who brought her son. She has money and it is very obvious she only married him for a green card. It isn’t clear if they are an actual couple or not.

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Not sure why the eye roll. Everyone thinks it is a sham marriage.

A few of my friends have have extended family who are also in questionable marriages.

I’m sure if you feel it than it must be true 🙄🙄🙄

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why my comment was deleted. This is very common in African immigrant communities in the U.S.

Here is another completely unsubstantiated claim.

It's well known if you've been a part of or around those communities. It's not like they a registry of these types of marriages. If you don't want to believe it, fine.

Fraud is provable. Therefore, it is trackable. So show me some evidence.

This is dumb. Not every crime is prosecuted and accounted for. Doesn't mean it is not happening. Do you want me to list the names of people I know who I know who have been in such marriages?

The only reason this guy got caught was because he is political and an opponent probably put a hit job out on him. Happens literally all. the. time.

https://apnews.com/general-news-9769aa3c7556efad4a15babdfbd206c5

Believe it or don't. I'm not doing any more homework for you.

You're the only one believing things you can't prove. But you think I'm dumb? Do you even know how crime statistics work?

Believing? I know, for a fact. I have seen it. Very frequently.

Enjoy keeping your head in the sand though.

THEN PROVE IT!!!!!! That's all I'm asking. Facts are provable.

Learn to use google. It's extremely common in African immigrant communities, even if the authorities don't always catch it. Your stance is akin to using the number of speeding tickets as an accurate gauge for how frequent people engage in speeding. Silly.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article230939273.html

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/nigerian-marriage-fraud-leader-and-2-associates-convicted-houston

https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/man-who-arranged-sham-marriages-between-nigerians-and-us-citizens-found-guilty

We use the measures that we have. So if you are claiming that it’s very common you should be able to prove that. You haven’t been able to. No one ever claimed that there are fraud cases. I myself said that this country is huge and the sheer size of the beautocracy would mean some people fall through the cracks. That doesn’t mean that fraud is wide spread or very common. A couple of individual cases that got prosecuted (which just provides my point actually) does not mean that fraud is wide spread.

Now you are just playing silly semantic games. What constitutes common? widespread? What are you looking for percentages here?

Realize, you are the outlier here. OP is about common and now you are introducing the concept of "widespread".

Tell us what crime you believe is widespread or common and what data or metric you are using to make that claim. Does any crime qualify? Please show supporting evidence.

You are making the claim that it is very common and wide spread, so shouldn’t you have to explain what that is? In the sane, educated people universe those making claims should have the burden of supporting them.

I see you are deflecting now. You have nothing, troll.

So typical of you MAGAts. You make a claim you can’t support and then everyone else is a troll.

Our educated justice warrior sure is agressive!!

And the stories of green card fraud keep pouring in LMAO

Prove it you moron. You keep saying it but can’t prove it. You realize how dumb that makes you look right?

You are talking to multiple people you dolt. It's already been explained to you why some people think this scam is more than just some rare occurrence. But you want the "data."

You just don't get it.

No, I don’t think you get why your personal feelings and beliefs that this is wide spread count. Prove it or get lost once and for all. Your bigotry and ignorance is discussing.

You are calling random people Maga magots and bigots because they are simply explaining to you that you can't prove something that goes undetected. U get lost you nasty old hen! Haha

Well if it’s undetected than it doesn’t exist, right? Otherwise, how would you know? You just “feel” its true and therefore we shoul all believe you? Hahahahaha

Very weird logic. How about because many people know people who have committed green card fraud. Or they could all be lying and you are the wise one.

[Anonymous]

Yes, my cousin married a man from abroad. They got married back in his country, she became pregnant and gave birth here and brought him over a couple weeks later. 2ish months later at 12am, he put all his stuff in a black trash bag and left and never came back. It's been almost 8yrs.

[Anonymous]

If you marry an American in America immediately after your 90 day tourist visit, ie in Day 91, and then file for a spousal green card you will be fine.

USCIS won’t bat an eye.

And yes, a Virginia based immigration attorney told us this when our K1 fiancé visa was taking 12+ months instead of 6 mos like their website continually said. He said it’s very common.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, my cousin married a man from abroad. They got married back in his country, she became pregnant and gave birth here and brought him over a couple weeks later. 2ish months later at 12am, he put all his stuff in a black trash bag and left and never came back. It's been almost 8yrs.

Yikes

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Anonymous wrote:I have a gay male uncle who has done it for two different friends of his, from Canada of all places.

Damn! Two already? He is cranking them out.

He's in his late 70s. Married one late 20s and the second late 40s. No, none of us really get it but it seemed mutually beneficial. There was probably money involved, they're very accomplished women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, my cousin married a man from abroad. They got married back in his country, she became pregnant and gave birth here and brought him over a couple weeks later. 2ish months later at 12am, he put all his stuff in a black trash bag and left and never came back. It's been almost 8yrs.

And to add, she fell into a deep depression after and was diagnosed with bipolar 2 as a single mom.

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Anonymous wrote:I was talking to a friend and he mentioned that he’s been propositioned several times for a sham marriage to perpetrate green card fraud (was brought up because I’m dating someone here on a visa and things are starting to get serious). He said it’s actually very common in many communities to do this where someone gets legally married and fakes their relationship history, and it’s often difficult for USCIS to prove.

It kind of blew my mind that people will risk imprisonment and go through the hassle of marrying someone you don’t love just to make $10-20k. Why doesn’t this get talked about more?

All the time

One other fraud is as soon as they get into US they have anchor babies.

It is completely out of control

The anchor babies are taking your jobs MAGAts. That neurosurgery residence was almost yours, but those damn anchor babies took it from ya. So damn sad!!!

So glad you lost the election. 4 more years baby.