The Beginning of A Genetic Elite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You people are nuts. We are too dumb to achieve any of this. Have you been asleep for the last few months?

If anything, we are moving in the opposite direction. There will be a massive brain drain in the U.S.

Maybe you don't understand statistics and genomics, but genetic selection has already been validated and the science is sound. There are already over a hundred babies that have been been born after IVF using polygenic selection for disease risk. There are at least a dozen babies that I'm aware of that have been genetically selected for IQ. Some of them have not been born yet, but will be born in the next few months.

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https://www.rferl.org/amp/georgia-surrogacy-surrogate-mothers-assisted-reproduction/33312337.html

This is a story about illegal egg harvesting of Thai women lured by the prospect of being surrogates. Reproductive technology is entering a really scary phase.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IQ doesn't make elite. Look at Trump and Musk

I’m not sure that Trumps is very high. Also he’s like 80 now so past his prime.

As Democrats, we believe that our oppressor, the outsider who keeps thumping us at our own chosen game of politics, must be stupid.

Anonymous wrote:This is a classic Democrat thread. We should make eugenics and AI discussions a part if our brand with voters. I think they will like it!

I can't stand either party, but you're delusional thinking the *real* elites even give a damn about your party. Trump does not in any way, shape or form have a high IQ. He appealed to people's bigotry and racism. PERIOD. He was a an idiot in school and only got into Wharton due to his brother knowing someone. The Kardashians are very wealthy, too. That doesn't mean there are high IQs in that family. MARKETING is the key.

Peter Thiel is an uber-elitist...and he sees Obama and Clinton as ELITE. Anyone within the elite knows Trump is low IQ. Being wealthy and getting to fail upward despite bankruptcy after bankruptcy...is what "DEI" as defined by MAGAs actually is. It's why someone with OK grades but has connections, gets to have some prestigious govt position while the kid w/ a working class background who went to an Ivy by earning it and working hard and had more right to that position, doesn't get it.

People like kardashian and the Trump campaign have high IQ people behind them doing all the work.

[Anonymous]

America is too dumb to achieve this. The brain drain will start as educated immigrants avoid this country like the plague.

The wealthy will go to Asia or Europe to get this option

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People with the means to do this are used to being in control. When parents view their children as a set of genetic characteristics that can be hacked, and fork over a lot of cash to make it so, there is high potential for them to be disappointed (at best) and enraged (at worst) if their investment doesn't pan out.

It would be a real test of unconditional love.

You are saying that it’s unethical to prevent your children from getting diabetes or cancer? That's basically what this technology can do.

No, selecting for intelligence.

[Anonymous]

Charles Murray wrote a book about this 30 years ago. Liberals freaked out because there was a section on race and IQ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This assumes humans have a good understanding of what drives intelligence at the genetic level. Newsflash: we don't. Intelligence is a huge amalgam of genetics, environment, and nurturing. They have no idea what network of genes will need to be manipulated to improve intelligence.

Maybe there’s some way to shape the population for the better, but Elon and friends would select for narcissistic autism, the “no grinds” people her would select for lazy bums, and the grinder parents would select for bots.

[Anonymous]

I'm sure this sort of thing is already standard procedure in certain societies, like China. And if not now, no doubt it will be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You people are nuts. We are too dumb to achieve any of this. Have you been asleep for the last few months?

If anything, we are moving in the opposite direction. There will be a massive brain drain in the U.S.

Maybe you don't understand statistics and genomics, but genetic selection has already been validated and the science is sound. There are already over a hundred babies that have been been born after IVF using polygenic selection for disease risk. There are at least a dozen babies that I'm aware of that have been genetically selected for IQ. Some of them have not been born yet, but will be born in the next few months.

How close are we to artificial womb, it can’t be far behind?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IQ doesn't make elite. Look at Trump and Musk

I’m not sure that Trumps is very high. Also he’s like 80 now so past his prime.

Yeah, I don’t think that Trump was ever very smart. Elon is probably a little above average. Multiple people that knew him have said that he’s definitely no genius.

That’s for sure.

Probably can’t go on the results of an IQ test administered while the subject is high on ketamine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Charles Murray wrote a book about this 30 years ago. Liberals freaked out because there was a section on race and IQ.

You mean his junk science?

The fact that Trump got to become president being absolute garbage and stupid, while Obama had to literally be the FIRST black editor of HLR, says everything about why and how people achieve in America.

The GI Bill being another example. While white men got to benefit, the black men who served were not afforded the same opportunities to achieve the "American dream."

At every turn in American history, barriers have been put up to BLOCK achievement for those who were not white.

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Anonymous wrote:Charles Murray wrote a book about this 30 years ago. Liberals freaked out because there was a section on race and IQ.

You mean his junk science?

The fact that Trump got to become president being absolute garbage and stupid, while Obama had to literally be the FIRST black editor of HLR, says everything about why and how people achieve in America.

The GI Bill being another example. While white men got to benefit, the black men who served were not afforded the same opportunities to achieve the "American dream."

At every turn in American history, barriers have been put up to BLOCK achievement for those who were not white.

Obama is proof that genetics matter. Obama has 2 parents with doctorate degrees. A mother who woke up him at 4am to read books, and a father who dreamed and was close to being president of his own country Kenya. He obviously knew of his fathers dream and he adapted the same one.

Obama is a second gen legacy student at Harvard, and his grandma was VP of a bank. His Grandpa was a WW2 vet and hit the big time as a furniture salesman and moved from KS to Hawaii.

Trump also has good genes in his family. His sister is a judge. His uncle was a physicist at MIT. Parents lived to their 90’s. Father was a successful entrepreneur. Trumps kids are all great too. For someone with 5 kids from three different women, they seem to be alright compared to other WH kids. I would hate to bring up the Bidens but

[Anonymous]

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Intelligence and wealth are two, very different things.

A lot of those “elites” who get into the ivy, had no business getting in. And a lot of those wealthy kids are bums doing nothing with their lives.

A lot of those “elites” are human sex traffickers and pedophiles, so I don’t get this notion that just because someone has a IQ, they’re using it for the betterment of humanity.

A high IQ is no guarantee that you’re curing cancer rather than building bombs.

Sociopaths, serial killers, and criminals usually have high IQ. I don’t know why people correlate high Iq to moral virtue.

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Anonymous wrote:IQ is not a fixed trait. If you’ve taken an IQ test you can see cultural bias in some of the questions. IQ is essentially unmeasurable in reality.

IQ is not fixed, but it is very stable in adulthood and becomes more heritable with age. The alleged cultural bias of IQ testing is largely a myth and is not true. IQ tests that are psychometrically validated and administered by trained professionals have strong predictive validity and demonstrate significant correlations with life outcomes. Intelligence is not immeasurable and performance on subsets of a cognitive ability test are positively correlated with performance in other areas. Someone who scores highly on a math ability test, is more likely to score highly on a reaction time test and a reading ability test. The underlying correlation between performance on all of these aspects of cognitive ability is called general factor intelligence and it is something that can be measured with testing.

I took an IQ test. There is absolutely cultural bias. You can (and there are academic numerous books and journal articles) easily construct arguments for and against IQ tests. Psychology is not a science.

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Plus the test of “reaction time” severely penalizes people with vision disabilities. Or heck anyone who panics at being timed like a lab rat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Charles Murray wrote a book about this 30 years ago. Liberals freaked out because there was a section on race and IQ.

You mean his junk science?

The fact that Trump got to become president being absolute garbage and stupid, while Obama had to literally be the FIRST black editor of HLR, says everything about why and how people achieve in America.

The GI Bill being another example. While white men got to benefit, the black men who served were not afforded the same opportunities to achieve the "American dream."

At every turn in American history, barriers have been put up to BLOCK achievement for those who were not white.

Obama is proof that genetics matter. Obama has 2 parents with doctorate degrees. A mother who woke up him at 4am to read books, and a father who dreamed and was close to being president of his own country Kenya. He obviously knew of his fathers dream and he adapted the same one.

Obama is a second gen legacy student at Harvard, and his grandma was VP of a bank. His Grandpa was a WW2 vet and hit the big time as a furniture salesman and moved from KS to Hawaii.

Trump also has good genes in his family. His sister is a judge. His uncle was a physicist at MIT. Parents lived to their 90’s. Father was a successful entrepreneur. Trumps kids are all great too. For someone with 5 kids from three different women, they seem to be alright compared to other WH kids. I would hate to bring up the Bidens but

The only thing you have proven in your statement is that wealth bring opportunity for advancement. Wealth bring the opportunity by private schools that make sure kids go to Ivy schools, parents getting college professors to “help” advance their kids ISEE project, parents that can pay in full so young adults have no debt and can afford an advanced degrees, wealth gives them connections to elite to their kid gets picked and published, ….the list is huge.
I have even heard of the wealthy giving their kids a few million to graduating kids for starting a business so they can claim experience running a company later.

The Trump kids aren’t great. That’s not the flex you think it is.