UMD vs Vt for CS?

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Anonymous wrote:In today's market, where you go matters to some degree (pardon the pun).

UMD has more of a national and global recognition for CS. VT does not.

There's another thread about SLO vs VT for business, and everyone on that thread is saying SLO, hands down. SLO is a regional school (FWIW, I graduated from a CSU like SLO); VT is a national school, yet everyone there is still saying SLO is worth the OOS (SLO is in CA for those who don't know).

Yes, that other thread is about business, not CS, but IMO, it goes to show how even people here in the DC area regard VT.

I am going to repeat it one more time. It does NOT matter where you go to college for fields like CS or Information Technology.

I develop AI software that many recruiting companies use in screening their potential candidates. None of them consider where you go college as a determining factor in the initial screening.

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I would say below the top 20 schools it matters less. We asolutely target specific schools for new technical hires and they are all in the top 20. We attend job fairs, we reruit interns from them, we solicit their grads. Its not a passive ATS system when we bring on early career talent. The top CS kids have offers by August of Junior year because there was a strong intern pipeline where these things are locked up.

I am a tech recruiter for AWS, Azure, and Google cloud technologies, and I place candidates for F100 companies. The company I work with is looking for in a recent grads, in this order:

1- Do you have AWS, Azure, or Google cloud certifications? The higher certifications, the better. By certifications, it means you have to pass exams, not just completing the course. Last week, I placed a college junior with ZERO experience at a F100 company because he has the AWS Certified Solutions Architect. He used free AWS account to get it done. The company paid him 140K/yr and he is working fully remote while finishing up his junior year. Those certifications trump internships and the school you attend. Btw, he is a student at GMU.

2- Do you have relevant CS courses that will make you succeed in tech? Problem is that most schools do not teach cloud technologies.

3- Do you have relevance internship experience? I have several candidates from CMU and UCLA looking for internships and when I asked them about cloud, they said that the universities don't teach that but they can learn that on the job. I told them that they should have learned this on their own time but they did not. Sadly, they didn't get those internships.

I talked to other recruiters who recruited candidates for AI/ML, and none of them said that where you go to school "matters".

This is the vocational and trade school approach. Yes, anyone doing these would get jobs because they are taught specific technologies that are currently in demand. Nothing wrong with this approach, but these students skills would be outdated quickly and as long as they catch up to new technologies they can extend their career for a little longer.

Students at CMU or any college where they are taking heavy theoretical computer science courses are the ones who are going to be working on core engineering problems at FAANG and starting/joining other startups. These skills are going to last their lifetime.

100% False

I was a Computer Engineering major, and everything I learned in college was outdated very quickly. I had to learn again on the job. Almost all of the classes I learned in college was essentially useless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In today's market, where you go matters to some degree (pardon the pun).

UMD has more of a national and global recognition for CS. VT does not.

There's another thread about SLO vs VT for business, and everyone on that thread is saying SLO, hands down. SLO is a regional school (FWIW, I graduated from a CSU like SLO); VT is a national school, yet everyone there is still saying SLO is worth the OOS (SLO is in CA for those who don't know).

Yes, that other thread is about business, not CS, but IMO, it goes to show how even people here in the DC area regard VT.

I am going to repeat it one more time. It does NOT matter where you go to college for fields like CS or Information Technology.

I develop AI software that many recruiting companies use in screening their potential candidates. None of them consider where you go college as a determining factor in the initial screening.

+100

I would say below the top 20 schools it matters less. We asolutely target specific schools for new technical hires and they are all in the top 20. We attend job fairs, we reruit interns from them, we solicit their grads. Its not a passive ATS system when we bring on early career talent. The top CS kids have offers by August of Junior year because there was a strong intern pipeline where these things are locked up.

I am a tech recruiter for AWS, Azure, and Google cloud technologies, and I place candidates for F100 companies. The company I work with is looking for in a recent grads, in this order:

1- Do you have AWS, Azure, or Google cloud certifications? The higher certifications, the better. By certifications, it means you have to pass exams, not just completing the course. Last week, I placed a college junior with ZERO experience at a F100 company because he has the AWS Certified Solutions Architect. He used free AWS account to get it done. The company paid him 140K/yr and he is working fully remote while finishing up his junior year. Those certifications trump internships and the school you attend. Btw, he is a student at GMU.

2- Do you have relevant CS courses that will make you succeed in tech? Problem is that most schools do not teach cloud technologies.

3- Do you have relevance internship experience? I have several candidates from CMU and UCLA looking for internships and when I asked them about cloud, they said that the universities don't teach that but they can learn that on the job. I told them that they should have learned this on their own time but they did not. Sadly, they didn't get those internships.

I talked to other recruiters who recruited candidates for AI/ML, and none of them said that where you go to school "matters".

This is the vocational and trade school approach. Yes, anyone doing these would get jobs because they are taught specific technologies that are currently in demand. Nothing wrong with this approach, but these students skills would be outdated quickly and as long as they catch up to new technologies they can extend their career for a little longer.

Students at CMU or any college where they are taking heavy theoretical computer science courses are the ones who are going to be working on core engineering problems at FAANG and starting/joining other startups. These skills are going to last their lifetime.

100% False

I was a Computer Engineering major, and everything I learned in college was outdated very quickly. I had to learn again on the job. Almost all of the classes I learned in college was essentially useless.

That reflects poorly on the college you attended! Sorry!

The classes at CMU, Georgia Tech, Berkley, MIT, etc. teach you foundational skills. These are the skills you need to build the core software at the FAAGS or at any of the top tech companies.

What you are talking about is useful if you are working at Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac or Navy Federal, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In today's market, where you go matters to some degree (pardon the pun).

UMD has more of a national and global recognition for CS. VT does not.

There's another thread about SLO vs VT for business, and everyone on that thread is saying SLO, hands down. SLO is a regional school (FWIW, I graduated from a CSU like SLO); VT is a national school, yet everyone there is still saying SLO is worth the OOS (SLO is in CA for those who don't know).

Yes, that other thread is about business, not CS, but IMO, it goes to show how even people here in the DC area regard VT.

I am going to repeat it one more time. It does NOT matter where you go to college for fields like CS or Information Technology.

I develop AI software that many recruiting companies use in screening their potential candidates. None of them consider where you go college as a determining factor in the initial screening.

+100

I would say below the top 20 schools it matters less. We asolutely target specific schools for new technical hires and they are all in the top 20. We attend job fairs, we reruit interns from them, we solicit their grads. Its not a passive ATS system when we bring on early career talent. The top CS kids have offers by August of Junior year because there was a strong intern pipeline where these things are locked up.

I am a tech recruiter for AWS, Azure, and Google cloud technologies, and I place candidates for F100 companies. The company I work with is looking for in a recent grads, in this order:

1- Do you have AWS, Azure, or Google cloud certifications? The higher certifications, the better. By certifications, it means you have to pass exams, not just completing the course. Last week, I placed a college junior with ZERO experience at a F100 company because he has the AWS Certified Solutions Architect. He used free AWS account to get it done. The company paid him 140K/yr and he is working fully remote while finishing up his junior year. Those certifications trump internships and the school you attend. Btw, he is a student at GMU.

2- Do you have relevant CS courses that will make you succeed in tech? Problem is that most schools do not teach cloud technologies.

3- Do you have relevance internship experience? I have several candidates from CMU and UCLA looking for internships and when I asked them about cloud, they said that the universities don't teach that but they can learn that on the job. I told them that they should have learned this on their own time but they did not. Sadly, they didn't get those internships.

I talked to other recruiters who recruited candidates for AI/ML, and none of them said that where you go to school "matters".

This is the vocational and trade school approach. Yes, anyone doing these would get jobs because they are taught specific technologies that are currently in demand. Nothing wrong with this approach, but these students skills would be outdated quickly and as long as they catch up to new technologies they can extend their career for a little longer.

Students at CMU or any college where they are taking heavy theoretical computer science courses are the ones who are going to be working on core engineering problems at FAANG and starting/joining other startups. These skills are going to last their lifetime.

100% False

I was a Computer Engineering major, and everything I learned in college was outdated very quickly. I had to learn again on the job. Almost all of the classes I learned in college was essentially useless.

dp.. whether false or not, certain companies recruit at some schools and not others. UMD students have a decent presence at FAANG; VT students not as much.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In today's market, where you go matters to some degree (pardon the pun).

UMD has more of a national and global recognition for CS. VT does not.

There's another thread about SLO vs VT for business, and everyone on that thread is saying SLO, hands down. SLO is a regional school (FWIW, I graduated from a CSU like SLO); VT is a national school, yet everyone there is still saying SLO is worth the OOS (SLO is in CA for those who don't know).

Yes, that other thread is about business, not CS, but IMO, it goes to show how even people here in the DC area regard VT.

I am going to repeat it one more time. It does NOT matter where you go to college for fields like CS or Information Technology.

I develop AI software that many recruiting companies use in screening their potential candidates. None of them consider where you go college as a determining factor in the initial screening.

+100

I would say below the top 20 schools it matters less. We asolutely target specific schools for new technical hires and they are all in the top 20. We attend job fairs, we reruit interns from them, we solicit their grads. Its not a passive ATS system when we bring on early career talent. The top CS kids have offers by August of Junior year because there was a strong intern pipeline where these things are locked up.

I am a tech recruiter for AWS, Azure, and Google cloud technologies, and I place candidates for F100 companies. The company I work with is looking for in a recent grads, in this order:

1- Do you have AWS, Azure, or Google cloud certifications? The higher certifications, the better. By certifications, it means you have to pass exams, not just completing the course. Last week, I placed a college junior with ZERO experience at a F100 company because he has the AWS Certified Solutions Architect. He used free AWS account to get it done. The company paid him 140K/yr and he is working fully remote while finishing up his junior year. Those certifications trump internships and the school you attend. Btw, he is a student at GMU.

2- Do you have relevant CS courses that will make you succeed in tech? Problem is that most schools do not teach cloud technologies.

3- Do you have relevance internship experience? I have several candidates from CMU and UCLA looking for internships and when I asked them about cloud, they said that the universities don't teach that but they can learn that on the job. I told them that they should have learned this on their own time but they did not. Sadly, they didn't get those internships.

I talked to other recruiters who recruited candidates for AI/ML, and none of them said that where you go to school "matters".

This is the vocational and trade school approach. Yes, anyone doing these would get jobs because they are taught specific technologies that are currently in demand. Nothing wrong with this approach, but these students skills would be outdated quickly and as long as they catch up to new technologies they can extend their career for a little longer.

Students at CMU or any college where they are taking heavy theoretical computer science courses are the ones who are going to be working on core engineering problems at FAANG and starting/joining other startups. These skills are going to last their lifetime.

100% False

I was a Computer Engineering major, and everything I learned in college was outdated very quickly. I had to learn again on the job. Almost all of the classes I learned in college was essentially useless.

That reflects poorly on the college you attended! Sorry!

The classes at CMU, Georgia Tech, Berkley, MIT, etc. teach you foundational skills. These are the skills you need to build the core software at the FAAGS or at any of the top tech companies.

What you are talking about is useful if you are working at Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac or Navy Federal, etc.

My Computer Engineering degree is from UIUC, and almost all of the classes I took there was useless. UIUC is not a good college, ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In today's market, where you go matters to some degree (pardon the pun).

UMD has more of a national and global recognition for CS. VT does not.

There's another thread about SLO vs VT for business, and everyone on that thread is saying SLO, hands down. SLO is a regional school (FWIW, I graduated from a CSU like SLO); VT is a national school, yet everyone there is still saying SLO is worth the OOS (SLO is in CA for those who don't know).

Yes, that other thread is about business, not CS, but IMO, it goes to show how even people here in the DC area regard VT.

I am going to repeat it one more time. It does NOT matter where you go to college for fields like CS or Information Technology.

I develop AI software that many recruiting companies use in screening their potential candidates. None of them consider where you go college as a determining factor in the initial screening.

+100

I would say below the top 20 schools it matters less. We asolutely target specific schools for new technical hires and they are all in the top 20. We attend job fairs, we reruit interns from them, we solicit their grads. Its not a passive ATS system when we bring on early career talent. The top CS kids have offers by August of Junior year because there was a strong intern pipeline where these things are locked up.

I am a tech recruiter for AWS, Azure, and Google cloud technologies, and I place candidates for F100 companies. The company I work with is looking for in a recent grads, in this order:

1- Do you have AWS, Azure, or Google cloud certifications? The higher certifications, the better. By certifications, it means you have to pass exams, not just completing the course. Last week, I placed a college junior with ZERO experience at a F100 company because he has the AWS Certified Solutions Architect. He used free AWS account to get it done. The company paid him 140K/yr and he is working fully remote while finishing up his junior year. Those certifications trump internships and the school you attend. Btw, he is a student at GMU.

2- Do you have relevant CS courses that will make you succeed in tech? Problem is that most schools do not teach cloud technologies.

3- Do you have relevance internship experience? I have several candidates from CMU and UCLA looking for internships and when I asked them about cloud, they said that the universities don't teach that but they can learn that on the job. I told them that they should have learned this on their own time but they did not. Sadly, they didn't get those internships.

I talked to other recruiters who recruited candidates for AI/ML, and none of them said that where you go to school "matters".

This is the vocational and trade school approach. Yes, anyone doing these would get jobs because they are taught specific technologies that are currently in demand. Nothing wrong with this approach, but these students skills would be outdated quickly and as long as they catch up to new technologies they can extend their career for a little longer.

Students at CMU or any college where they are taking heavy theoretical computer science courses are the ones who are going to be working on core engineering problems at FAANG and starting/joining other startups. These skills are going to last their lifetime.

100% False

I was a Computer Engineering major, and everything I learned in college was outdated very quickly. I had to learn again on the job. Almost all of the classes I learned in college was essentially useless.

That reflects poorly on the college you attended! Sorry!

The classes at CMU, Georgia Tech, Berkley, MIT, etc. teach you foundational skills. These are the skills you need to build the core software at the FAAGS or at any of the top tech companies.

What you are talking about is useful if you are working at Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac or Navy Federal, etc.

My Computer Engineering degree is from UIUC, and almost all of the classes I took there was useless. UIUC is not a good college, ok.

You probably are not paying attention in classes or just coasting along. LOL

[Anonymous]

My UMD CS kid is got recruited in FAANG - right out of college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In today's market, where you go matters to some degree (pardon the pun).

UMD has more of a national and global recognition for CS. VT does not.

There's another thread about SLO vs VT for business, and everyone on that thread is saying SLO, hands down. SLO is a regional school (FWIW, I graduated from a CSU like SLO); VT is a national school, yet everyone there is still saying SLO is worth the OOS (SLO is in CA for those who don't know).

Yes, that other thread is about business, not CS, but IMO, it goes to show how even people here in the DC area regard VT.

I am going to repeat it one more time. It does NOT matter where you go to college for fields like CS or Information Technology.

I develop AI software that many recruiting companies use in screening their potential candidates. None of them consider where you go college as a determining factor in the initial screening.

+100

I would say below the top 20 schools it matters less. We asolutely target specific schools for new technical hires and they are all in the top 20. We attend job fairs, we reruit interns from them, we solicit their grads. Its not a passive ATS system when we bring on early career talent. The top CS kids have offers by August of Junior year because there was a strong intern pipeline where these things are locked up.

UMD is top 20 for CS.

Maryland booster, you are tiresome. No one cares.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My UMD CS kid is got recruited in FAANG - right out of college.

When did DC graduate?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My UMD CS kid is got recruited in FAANG - right out of college.

When did DC graduate?

Perhaps someone can explain to me why my Ivy 2024 CS grad DS is still looking for a job while his JMU 2024 CS grad got a job at Apple.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My UMD CS kid is got recruited in FAANG - right out of college.

When did DC graduate?

Perhaps someone can explain to me why my Ivy 2024 CS grad DS is still looking for a job while his JMU 2024 CS grad got a job at Apple.

You should not have written DS's essays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In today's market, where you go matters to some degree (pardon the pun).

UMD has more of a national and global recognition for CS. VT does not.

There's another thread about SLO vs VT for business, and everyone on that thread is saying SLO, hands down. SLO is a regional school (FWIW, I graduated from a CSU like SLO); VT is a national school, yet everyone there is still saying SLO is worth the OOS (SLO is in CA for those who don't know).

Yes, that other thread is about business, not CS, but IMO, it goes to show how even people here in the DC area regard VT.

I am going to repeat it one more time. It does NOT matter where you go to college for fields like CS or Information Technology.

I develop AI software that many recruiting companies use in screening their potential candidates. None of them consider where you go college as a determining factor in the initial screening.

+100

I would say below the top 20 schools it matters less. We asolutely target specific schools for new technical hires and they are all in the top 20. We attend job fairs, we reruit interns from them, we solicit their grads. Its not a passive ATS system when we bring on early career talent. The top CS kids have offers by August of Junior year because there was a strong intern pipeline where these things are locked up.

UMD is top 20 for CS.

Maryland booster, you are tiresome. No one cares.
DP

Clearly many on DCUM do care since this forum is full of "best college" ranking threads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My UMD CS kid is got recruited in FAANG - right out of college.

When did DC graduate?

Perhaps someone can explain to me why my Ivy 2024 CS grad DS is still looking for a job while his JMU 2024 CS grad got a job at Apple.

hard to tell without more info.

What's the focus? Internships? Projects? Experience?

Also, statistically, a JMU grad getting a job at Apple is lower than an Ivy grad getting a job there. So, while anecdotal stories apply to the individual, it does not apply to the masses.

[Anonymous]

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Students at CMU or any college where they are taking heavy theoretical computer science courses are the ones who are going to be working on core engineering problems at FAANG and starting/joining other startups. These skills are going to last their lifetime.

Hiring manager here. Above is untrue in our experience and to be very clear we work on challenging core engineering problems in my group.

What DOES matter is which upper level electives the student takes. Students who take the harder classes like Compilers, OS internals/kernel programming, real-time systems, embedded systems, Verilog/vhdl, C programming (not Java or C++ or Python or web programming) are the ones who have long term skills -- WITHOUT regard to the specific school or to the so-called prestige or rank of the school.

CS or ComputerE grads who took hard upper level courses outlined above and got a B or better in those courses (no need for an A) are perpetually in shortage, get paid better as a result of the shortage, and are best prepared for lifetime career success.

Those who focus on easier web or cloud or computer gaming classes will have less interesting work, lower lifetime income, and are plentiful.

[Anonymous]

PP again. We have a simple test which has a 75% success rate as a filter. We ask which editor the candidate prefers. Either vi or emacs are passing answers. Eclipse or other IDEs are not.

Another good test is which debugger they prefer. Passing answers are gdb or the debugger in llvm. Any IDE is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP again. We have a simple test which has a 75% success rate as a filter. We ask which editor the candidate prefers. Either vi or emacs are passing answers. Eclipse or other IDEs are not.

Another good test is which debugger they prefer. Passing answers are gdb or the debugger in llvm. Any IDE is not.

You can't be serious, LOL.... Any CS students who do not use vi or emacs editor doesn't deserve to continue the interview.... These days Linux OS is everywhere, and vi/emacs is included as default.