Trump cuts 400 Million in grants to Columbia over Antisemtism.

[Anonymous]

Hamas is a a terrorist organization who doesn't care about its people but using them to run its own war machinery. Also, I don't care what would happen to Gaza after what they did to Israel and these people supported and protected Hamas and now it is time for the other side to return the favor.

I am also ok to kick out international students if they are getting aggressive against other students because they belong to Jewish background. Cancel their visa and kick them out. They are here to study and not being a part of political movement.

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Anonymous wrote:People love being offended
The protests have been mostly peaceful.
Nobody threatened anyone, some had incorrect hats., scarves

J6 was “mostly peaceful” too.

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Anonymous wrote:Why stop at Columbia? I’d be ok with ending all federal support for Ivy League schools. Let them draw down the endowments instead.

These universities are sucking up federal Govt and using this money to juice up the upper management. All these universities making noise are rich and they wouldn't be affected by billions of their endowment. I think capping indirect overhead to 15% at NIH is a good thing because most of the money goes to these top schools and they don't put their own skin in the game but then get benefits from all the patents, sales etc.

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Anonymous wrote:This will last about 15 minutes before it is overturned on First Amendment grounds, but maybe the pro Israel folks can take a half minute to reflect on how bad it looks that they are lining up to support someone whose playbook is looking surprisingly Hitleresque, and what this might mean for the long term support of your country?

As someone who married into the tribe, I can honestly say I don’t not care one bit if Israel seeks to exist tomorrow because I’m sick of them meddling in my country. And they only have themselves to blame.

Assume that this marriage is past tense.

Present. And my actively Jewish spouse is sick of their crap, too. We live in America and not Israel for a reason.

And she, like you, “doesn’t care if Israel [ceases] to exist”?

Strange sort of “actively Jewish” spouse you have.

+1. My in-laws are all Jewish in various degrees of observance. My spouse is not religious but still considers himself Jewish. And the general consensus is that Israel has the right (and the imperative!) to exist and to defend itself. And also that Netanyahu and the West Bank settlers do Israel no favors. But that Hamas/Iran/etc are to blame here.

The ratio of dead civilians on either side tells a different take. No one who kills twenty-five times more people than, as retribution, has the moral high ground.

What happened on Oct 7th what truly horrific. But Israel lost the moral high ground since. It's really sad, because they had all the free nations of the world on their side in the aftermath of Oct 7th, DESPITE oppressing the Palestinians for decades.

Disagree. The response to Oct 7 has been designed to eliminate the threat and to obtain the release of the hostages, not to exact some kind of moral equivalence. As long as Hamas maintains a military capability and holds hostages, Hamas is fair game. That they hide among civilians does not reduce the threat they pose, or reduce the impact of their continuing to hold hostages.

The carnage in Gaza could end immediately, if Hamas releases the hostages and lays down its arms. Until then, there is a moral imperative that the efforts to obliterate them continue. They hold the keys to stopping civilian casualties.

You sound simple.
Netanyahu could have obtained the release of the hostages a long time ago.
He wants his ‘mighty vengeance’ against ‘human animals’ and the generation that followed the holocaust is ready to kill them all

DP.

So you start your retort with an ad hominem attack. Not a good beginning, but you downhill from there.

You then assert Netanyahu could have obtained the release of hostages a long time ago, but you provide absolutely no proof for this assertion. Please tell us exactly how and be specific as to what it would cost the Israelis. It should cost nothing at all because the hostages should have never been taken in the first place.

Finally, you assert Netanyahu wants his "mighty vengeance" against "human animals" (i.e., Hamas), but again you provide absolutely no proof for this assertion. Do you know Netanyahu personally? Did he tell you himself? And what if he did want these things? Hamas attacked innocent people.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we giving private universities with huge endowments any money at all? Columbia’s endowment it 14.8 BILLION. 400 million is a drop in the bucket for them.

Do you really not understand what grants to the universities fund and are for? Do you really not understand what the government and the country gets out of those grants?

Do you think these are grants to build fancy dorms and dining halls?

Enlighten me, why is the government giving money to a wealthy school instead of a poor one?

Federal grants mostly go towards science and research. There are about 60 R1 universities - PhD granting universities that do much of the science and research in the US. This is where new medicine and all sorts of research intensive work comes from. Tuition isn't covering a new treatment for colon cancer or Alzheimer's. That comes from federal research grants to R1 universities - like Columbia. Republicans unfortunately are choosing to destroy science and research in the US. And they sell their destruction by listing it as "government giving money to a wealthy school" as you put it. So those who are poorly informed tend to think of federal grants as nothing more than a scam by universities. They never seem to ask where does research actually come from?

Apparently, grants fund student tuitions.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1262111.page

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Anonymous wrote:Until you have kids on campus and have been blocked or hurt going to class you cannot say it is not happening. It’s bad enough that there is so much antisemitism all over moco high schools. These naysayers also believe the Holocaust did not happen.

Antisemitism is a real problem. You can disguise it change it but many posting here are antisemetic. Columbia has a problem. People should not feel threatened to go to class ever.

Has this happened to kids you know or were you only told it happened? I was at Columbia during the protests last spring. they were peaceful. however, there were anti-protest agitators (ie pro zionist) outside the gates (non students) that were intimidating. My sister lives in LA and reported the same think about UCLA.

I would love your explanation of what "peaceful" and "intimidating" means.
For example, is covering the face with a mask a-la Hamas a mark of a peaceful protester?

I have no problem with masks (the students were justifiably nervous about doxing after what happened to the Harvard students). But for the most part I did not see masked students.

Getting into my face and yelling I do have a problem with.

The yelling in my face is what I saw anti-protesters to protesters last spring. I know this happened to Jewish students too in a few reported cases, but it is unclear that there were more cases of Jewish students being harassed than the protesters being harassed.

Therefore the punishment of one group seems biased.

If they are proud of supporting Hamas, why wear masks? Also, is it doxxing to report truthful information that someone was participating in a protest in public?

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we giving private universities with huge endowments any money at all? Columbia’s endowment it 14.8 BILLION. 400 million is a drop in the bucket for them.

Do you really not understand what grants to the universities fund and are for? Do you really not understand what the government and the country gets out of those grants?

Do you think these are grants to build fancy dorms and dining halls?

Enlighten me, why is the government giving money to a wealthy school instead of a poor one?

Federal grants mostly go towards science and research. There are about 60 R1 universities - PhD granting universities that do much of the science and research in the US. This is where new medicine and all sorts of research intensive work comes from. Tuition isn't covering a new treatment for colon cancer or Alzheimer's. That comes from federal research grants to R1 universities - like Columbia. Republicans unfortunately are choosing to destroy science and research in the US. And they sell their destruction by listing it as "government giving money to a wealthy school" as you put it. So those who are poorly informed tend to think of federal grants as nothing more than a scam by universities. They never seem to ask where does research actually come from?

Apparently, grants fund student tuitions.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1262111.page

Grad students in the sciences

Undergraduate are funded mainly via endowments, but yes, if research grants are cut, the funding needs to be replaced. If from endowments, then less for undergraduate tuition aid

[Anonymous]

You realize that more than 20% of Columbia students and probably at least the same percentage of faculty are Jewish.
So, now they get their grants and scholarships cut, too, because of antisemitism against same. How does that make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is a a terrorist organization who doesn't care about its people but using them to run its own war machinery. Also, I don't care what would happen to Gaza after what they did to Israel and these people supported and protected Hamas and now it is time for the other side to return the favor.

I am also ok to kick out international students if they are getting aggressive against other students because they belong to Jewish background. Cancel their visa and kick them out. They are here to study and not being a part of political movement.

Nope all lies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Until you have kids on campus and have been blocked or hurt going to class you cannot say it is not happening. It’s bad enough that there is so much antisemitism all over moco high schools. These naysayers also believe the Holocaust did not happen.

Antisemitism is a real problem. You can disguise it change it but many posting here are antisemetic. Columbia has a problem. People should not feel threatened to go to class ever.

Has this happened to kids you know or were you only told it happened? I was at Columbia during the protests last spring. they were peaceful. however, there were anti-protest agitators (ie pro zionist) outside the gates (non students) that were intimidating. My sister lives in LA and reported the same think about UCLA.

I would love your explanation of what "peaceful" and "intimidating" means.
For example, is covering the face with a mask a-la Hamas a mark of a peaceful protester?

I have no problem with masks (the students were justifiably nervous about doxing after what happened to the Harvard students). But for the most part I did not see masked students.

Getting into my face and yelling I do have a problem with.

The yelling in my face is what I saw anti-protesters to protesters last spring. I know this happened to Jewish students too in a few reported cases, but it is unclear that there were more cases of Jewish students being harassed than the protesters being harassed.

Therefore the punishment of one group seems biased.

If they are proud of supporting Hamas, why wear masks? Also, is it doxxing to report truthful information that someone was participating in a protest in public?

Why can’t we know who is involved in the leadership of the pro Israeli groups? Form what has been uncovered it is all outside of the campuses and directed from Israel. What are these people hiding and who is paying them?

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Anonymous wrote:Why stop at Columbia? I’d be ok with ending all federal support for Ivy League schools. Let them draw down the endowments instead.

So, no more research funded at institutions where the faculty and students are top notch? Sounds good.

It’s funny how people who want excellent physicians and the advantages of scientific research are often ok with not providing funding for their efforts. Of course once Trump gets through with the economy, the endowments might not look so great either.

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Anonymous wrote:You realize that more than 20% of Columbia students and probably at least the same percentage of faculty are Jewish.
So, now they get their grants and scholarships cut, too, because of antisemitism against same. How does that make sense.

MAGA is rational. They’re not even working off of facts.

[Anonymous]

^ MAGA is NOT rational.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This will last about 15 minutes before it is overturned on First Amendment grounds, but maybe the pro Israel folks can take a half minute to reflect on how bad it looks that they are lining up to support someone whose playbook is looking surprisingly Hitleresque, and what this might mean for the long term support of your country?

As someone who married into the tribe, I can honestly say I don’t not care one bit if Israel seeks to exist tomorrow because I’m sick of them meddling in my country. And they only have themselves to blame.

Assume that this marriage is past tense.

Present. And my actively Jewish spouse is sick of their crap, too. We live in America and not Israel for a reason.

And she, like you, “doesn’t care if Israel [ceases] to exist”?

Strange sort of “actively Jewish” spouse you have.

+1. My in-laws are all Jewish in various degrees of observance. My spouse is not religious but still considers himself Jewish. And the general consensus is that Israel has the right (and the imperative!) to exist and to defend itself. And also that Netanyahu and the West Bank settlers do Israel no favors. But that Hamas/Iran/etc are to blame here.

The ratio of dead civilians on either side tells a different take. No one who kills twenty-five times more people than, as retribution, has the moral high ground.

What happened on Oct 7th what truly horrific. But Israel lost the moral high ground since. It's really sad, because they had all the free nations of the world on their side in the aftermath of Oct 7th, DESPITE oppressing the Palestinians for decades.

Disagree. The response to Oct 7 has been designed to eliminate the threat and to obtain the release of the hostages, not to exact some kind of moral equivalence. As long as Hamas maintains a military capability and holds hostages, Hamas is fair game. That they hide among civilians does not reduce the threat they pose, or reduce the impact of their continuing to hold hostages.

The carnage in Gaza could end immediately, if Hamas releases the hostages and lays down its arms. Until then, there is a moral imperative that the efforts to obliterate them continue. They hold the keys to stopping civilian casualties.

You sound simple.
Netanyahu could have obtained the release of the hostages a long time ago.
He wants his ‘mighty vengeance’ against ‘human animals’ and the generation that followed the holocaust is ready to kill them all

DP.

So you start your retort with an ad hominem attack. Not a good beginning, but you downhill from there.

You then assert Netanyahu could have obtained the release of hostages a long time ago, but you provide absolutely no proof for this assertion. Please tell us exactly how and be specific as to what it would cost the Israelis. It should cost nothing at all because the hostages should have never been taken in the first place.

Finally, you assert Netanyahu wants his "mighty vengeance" against "human animals" (i.e., Hamas), but again you provide absolutely no proof for this assertion. Do you know Netanyahu personally? Did he tell you himself? And what if he did want these things? Hamas attacked innocent people.

Actually, the hostage exchange was worked on under Biden, but BN wanted to drag it out until Trump got into office.

[Anonymous]

If the school loses this fight, which I am certain they will fight, they will simply only be able to take full tuition kids. That is the $400M.