The People You Work With

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Anonymous wrote:How enlightened are they? How educated? How worldly? I'm struggling to find the right word, but are they familiar with quasi exotic things?

We were all just talking about Christmas being two weeks away and how it has snuck up on us. Somebody said 'what's your meal going to be this year'? The new guy said Bouillabaisse. Literally three quarters of my office didn't know what it was.

And then I realized I was working with people way less cultured than myself.

You must be super old to try and make a troll post using a French recipe as a cultural touch point.

I'm 43. And honestly I think of Bouillabaisse as more of a west coast thing than a French thing.

I'm 45 from the west coast and have never had bouillabaisse. I was vaguely aware it was a soup.

People have different cultural touchstones, it doesn't make them "uncultured." Right now I work with a lot of people from NYC. I have had to learn about it, as I know very little. Growing up in the SF Bay Area I can promise you very few people there know or care about NYC and many have never been: no one thinks it's relevant. I'm sure we'd come across as uncultured to someone who does care.

What does this even mean? Relevant to what? It’s the largest city in America. Is Paris “relevant?” Is Tokyo? Nairobi?

Paris is a great example. Nothing against Paris but no, it's not relevant to my life. I don't know the neighborhoods, or the big office buildings or restaurants, or the transit system or the parks. Not knowing those things doesn't make me uncultured, it just means the focus of my life is elsewhere. Ditto for NYC.

Fine, but that DOES make you uncultured. Especially because you don't even have the slightest curiosity about it. Being cultured means being well versed in a vast array of things and being able to have a conversation about them whether they are relevant to your day-to-day or not.

But I am conversant in a vast array of things, including many you're unlikely to know about. I'm just not familiar with a specific thing that you've decided matters, the way OP decided bouillabaisse is the thing that determines sophistication.

And I'd be curious about your life in Paris if I were speaking to you, but I'd be engaged because it matters to you and we're talking, not because Paris is objectively important.

Paris is objectively important as are many other things whether they are relevant to your life or not. The fact that you can't see that is what makes you uncultured. Not that you don't know about every little fact that someone might bring up, as OP did. I don't agree with the whole premise of her post. I think she is obnoxious. But in your post you seem to be proud of only knowing about things that are somehow relevant to you. Which is not what makes you cultured.

I'm the PP you're responding to (not the reading comprehension one, although I do think youre moving goalposts since your question was what makes something relevant).

What makes Paris objectively important?

I've noticed that a certain type of person conflates Paris (and/or NYC, and I'd add anything British) with capital-c Culture. That's a very limited view. Every people and place has culture.

That was my first response to you so I'm not sure what goalposts I could have possibly moved. I also never said anything about any other place not being important but stating that Paris is somehow not important culturally is just ignorant. Are you seriously telling me that a well-educated person doesn't need to know the most basic things about Paris? The history, the architecture, the art, the fashion????? How is it possible for someone to dispute this? I similarly think that there is a certain subset of Americans who will always feel threatened by European history (French in particular) and will do anything to discredit the importance.

I'm well educated in history, art, and architecture - none of that *is* Paris, nor does Paris have a monopoly on it.

If you told me where in Paris you lived, I would not have a reference: is that near the airport, or far? fancy or not? Does the Metro go there?
Do you know those things about Paris neighborhoods? Why or why not?
Do you know similar things about San Francisco or Los Angeles? If not, why not?

I think you know you were wrong so now you're just arguing for there sake of arguing.

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Anonymous wrote:How enlightened are they? How educated? How worldly? I'm struggling to find the right word, but are they familiar with quasi exotic things?

We were all just talking about Christmas being two weeks away and how it has snuck up on us. Somebody said 'what's your meal going to be this year'? The new guy said Bouillabaisse. Literally three quarters of my office didn't know what it was.

And then I realized I was working with people way less cultured than myself.

You must be super old to try and make a troll post using a French recipe as a cultural touch point.

I'm 43. And honestly I think of Bouillabaisse as more of a west coast thing than a French thing.

I'm 45 from the west coast and have never had bouillabaisse. I was vaguely aware it was a soup.

People have different cultural touchstones, it doesn't make them "uncultured." Right now I work with a lot of people from NYC. I have had to learn about it, as I know very little. Growing up in the SF Bay Area I can promise you very few people there know or care about NYC and many have never been: no one thinks it's relevant. I'm sure we'd come across as uncultured to someone who does care.

What does this even mean? Relevant to what? It’s the largest city in America. Is Paris “relevant?” Is Tokyo? Nairobi?

Paris is a great example. Nothing against Paris but no, it's not relevant to my life. I don't know the neighborhoods, or the big office buildings or restaurants, or the transit system or the parks. Not knowing those things doesn't make me uncultured, it just means the focus of my life is elsewhere. Ditto for NYC.

Fine, but that DOES make you uncultured. Especially because you don't even have the slightest curiosity about it. Being cultured means being well versed in a vast array of things and being able to have a conversation about them whether they are relevant to your day-to-day or not.

But I am conversant in a vast array of things, including many you're unlikely to know about. I'm just not familiar with a specific thing that you've decided matters, the way OP decided bouillabaisse is the thing that determines sophistication.

And I'd be curious about your life in Paris if I were speaking to you, but I'd be engaged because it matters to you and we're talking, not because Paris is objectively important.

Paris is objectively important as are many other things whether they are relevant to your life or not. The fact that you can't see that is what makes you uncultured. Not that you don't know about every little fact that someone might bring up, as OP did. I don't agree with the whole premise of her post. I think she is obnoxious. But in your post you seem to be proud of only knowing about things that are somehow relevant to you. Which is not what makes you cultured.

I'm the PP you're responding to (not the reading comprehension one, although I do think youre moving goalposts since your question was what makes something relevant).

What makes Paris objectively important?

I've noticed that a certain type of person conflates Paris (and/or NYC, and I'd add anything British) with capital-c Culture. That's a very limited view. Every people and place has culture.

That was my first response to you so I'm not sure what goalposts I could have possibly moved. I also never said anything about any other place not being important but stating that Paris is somehow not important culturally is just ignorant. Are you seriously telling me that a well-educated person doesn't need to know the most basic things about Paris? The history, the architecture, the art, the fashion????? How is it possible for someone to dispute this? I similarly think that there is a certain subset of Americans who will always feel threatened by European history (French in particular) and will do anything to discredit the importance.

I'm well educated in history, art, and architecture - none of that *is* Paris, nor does Paris have a monopoly on it.

If you told me where in Paris you lived, I would not have a reference: is that near the airport, or far? fancy or not? Does the Metro go there?
Do you know those things about Paris neighborhoods? Why or why not?
Do you know similar things about San Francisco or Los Angeles? If not, why not?

I think you know you were wrong so now you're just arguing for there sake of arguing.

If you'd read the thread you jumped into, you'd see that just above you I said, "I don't know the neighborhoods, or the big office buildings or restaurants, or the transit system or the parks. Not knowing those things doesn't make me uncultured, it just means the focus of my life is elsewhere."

The OP is about food as culture, and whether ignorance of a French dish makes you uncultured. Nobody here is talking about history.

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Anonymous wrote:How enlightened are they? How educated? How worldly? I'm struggling to find the right word, but are they familiar with quasi exotic things?

We were all just talking about Christmas being two weeks away and how it has snuck up on us. Somebody said 'what's your meal going to be this year'? The new guy said Bouillabaisse. Literally three quarters of my office didn't know what it was.

And then I realized I was working with people way less cultured than myself.

You must be super old to try and make a troll post using a French recipe as a cultural touch point.

I'm 43. And honestly I think of Bouillabaisse as more of a west coast thing than a French thing.

I'm 45 from the west coast and have never had bouillabaisse. I was vaguely aware it was a soup.

People have different cultural touchstones, it doesn't make them "uncultured." Right now I work with a lot of people from NYC. I have had to learn about it, as I know very little. Growing up in the SF Bay Area I can promise you very few people there know or care about NYC and many have never been: no one thinks it's relevant. I'm sure we'd come across as uncultured to someone who does care.

What does this even mean? Relevant to what? It’s the largest city in America. Is Paris “relevant?” Is Tokyo? Nairobi?

Paris is a great example. Nothing against Paris but no, it's not relevant to my life. I don't know the neighborhoods, or the big office buildings or restaurants, or the transit system or the parks. Not knowing those things doesn't make me uncultured, it just means the focus of my life is elsewhere. Ditto for NYC.

Fine, but that DOES make you uncultured. Especially because you don't even have the slightest curiosity about it. Being cultured means being well versed in a vast array of things and being able to have a conversation about them whether they are relevant to your day-to-day or not.

But I am conversant in a vast array of things, including many you're unlikely to know about. I'm just not familiar with a specific thing that you've decided matters, the way OP decided bouillabaisse is the thing that determines sophistication.

And I'd be curious about your life in Paris if I were speaking to you, but I'd be engaged because it matters to you and we're talking, not because Paris is objectively important.

Paris is objectively important as are many other things whether they are relevant to your life or not. The fact that you can't see that is what makes you uncultured. Not that you don't know about every little fact that someone might bring up, as OP did. I don't agree with the whole premise of her post. I think she is obnoxious. But in your post you seem to be proud of only knowing about things that are somehow relevant to you. Which is not what makes you cultured.

I'm the PP you're responding to (not the reading comprehension one, although I do think youre moving goalposts since your question was what makes something relevant).

What makes Paris objectively important?

I've noticed that a certain type of person conflates Paris (and/or NYC, and I'd add anything British) with capital-c Culture. That's a very limited view. Every people and place has culture.

That was my first response to you so I'm not sure what goalposts I could have possibly moved. I also never said anything about any other place not being important but stating that Paris is somehow not important culturally is just ignorant. Are you seriously telling me that a well-educated person doesn't need to know the most basic things about Paris? The history, the architecture, the art, the fashion????? How is it possible for someone to dispute this? I similarly think that there is a certain subset of Americans who will always feel threatened by European history (French in particular) and will do anything to discredit the importance.

I'm well educated in history, art, and architecture - none of that *is* Paris, nor does Paris have a monopoly on it.

If you told me where in Paris you lived, I would not have a reference: is that near the airport, or far? fancy or not? Does the Metro go there?
Do you know those things about Paris neighborhoods? Why or why not?
Do you know similar things about San Francisco or Los Angeles? If not, why not?

I think you know you were wrong so now you're just arguing for there sake of arguing.

If you'd read the thread you jumped into, you'd see that just above you I said, "I don't know the neighborhoods, or the big office buildings or restaurants, or the transit system or the parks. Not knowing those things doesn't make me uncultured, it just means the focus of my life is elsewhere."

The OP is about food as culture, and whether ignorance of a French dish makes you uncultured. Nobody here is talking about history.

Let's not pretend that you didn't say a lot more in conjunction with that. For example "what makes Paris objectively important?"

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Anonymous wrote:Not at work but I am an expat and I joined a group that turned out to all be diplomats from various countries. A pretty diverse group of people but they are extremely cultured and intelligent. They can talk about almost any topic in a really informed way. They are global citizens and are fountains of knowledge. I consider myself reasonably bright but I can't keep up to them physically or intellectually!

I'd bet if you tried to talk to them about hunting, fishing, home recipes from their own relatives, grassroots or gen z trends in the US, they'd be pretty clueless.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in land management so I'm surrounded by people who are educated and cultured in ways that are both similar and different from me. Lots of people who have traveled a lot of the US, done lots of fieldwork, worked with different cultures. Some have PhDs and are worldly in a more "traditional" way. Others are former military and have a totally different knowledge base and cultural background that I think it's valuable in its own right. Not everyone knows what bouillabaise is but they know plenty of stuff I'm not familiar with either.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:How enlightened are they? How educated? How worldly? I'm struggling to find the right word, but are they familiar with quasi exotic things?

We were all just talking about Christmas being two weeks away and how it has snuck up on us. Somebody said 'what's your meal going to be this year'? The new guy said Bouillabaisse. Literally three quarters of my office didn't know what it was.

And then I realized I was working with people way less cultured than myself.

You must be super old to try and make a troll post using a French recipe as a cultural touch point.

I'm 43. And honestly I think of Bouillabaisse as more of a west coast thing than a French thing.

I'm 45 from the west coast and have never had bouillabaisse. I was vaguely aware it was a soup.

People have different cultural touchstones, it doesn't make them "uncultured." Right now I work with a lot of people from NYC. I have had to learn about it, as I know very little. Growing up in the SF Bay Area I can promise you very few people there know or care about NYC and many have never been: no one thinks it's relevant. I'm sure we'd come across as uncultured to someone who does care.

What does this even mean? Relevant to what? It’s the largest city in America. Is Paris “relevant?” Is Tokyo? Nairobi?

As a NYer who now lives in SF, I understand what that PP meant. People in SF don't know what a good bagel tastes like, let alone what a bialy is. Sometimes if I'm tired or angry, people literally can not understand words I say. Jokes only NYers would get, are irrelevant in SF.

A Montreal bagel beats a NY bagel any day.

Oh hell no. Them's fighting words.

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I wouldn't know because I try not to talk to anyone at work.

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Anonymous wrote:How enlightened are they? How educated? How worldly? I'm struggling to find the right word, but are they familiar with quasi exotic things?

We were all just talking about Christmas being two weeks away and how it has snuck up on us. Somebody said 'what's your meal going to be this year'? The new guy said Bouillabaisse. Literally three quarters of my office didn't know what it was.

And then I realized I was working with people way less cultured than myself.

You must be super old to try and make a troll post using a French recipe as a cultural touch point.

I'm 43. And honestly I think of Bouillabaisse as more of a west coast thing than a French thing.

I'm 45 from the west coast and have never had bouillabaisse. I was vaguely aware it was a soup.

People have different cultural touchstones, it doesn't make them "uncultured." Right now I work with a lot of people from NYC. I have had to learn about it, as I know very little. Growing up in the SF Bay Area I can promise you very few people there know or care about NYC and many have never been: no one thinks it's relevant. I'm sure we'd come across as uncultured to someone who does care.

What does this even mean? Relevant to what? It’s the largest city in America. Is Paris “relevant?” Is Tokyo? Nairobi?

Paris is a great example. Nothing against Paris but no, it's not relevant to my life. I don't know the neighborhoods, or the big office buildings or restaurants, or the transit system or the parks. Not knowing those things doesn't make me uncultured, it just means the focus of my life is elsewhere. Ditto for NYC.

Fine, but that DOES make you uncultured. Especially because you don't even have the slightest curiosity about it. Being cultured means being well versed in a vast array of things and being able to have a conversation about them whether they are relevant to your day-to-day or not.

But I am conversant in a vast array of things, including many you're unlikely to know about. I'm just not familiar with a specific thing that you've decided matters, the way OP decided bouillabaisse is the thing that determines sophistication.

And I'd be curious about your life in Paris if I were speaking to you, but I'd be engaged because it matters to you and we're talking, not because Paris is objectively important.

Paris is objectively important as are many other things whether they are relevant to your life or not. The fact that you can't see that is what makes you uncultured. Not that you don't know about every little fact that someone might bring up, as OP did. I don't agree with the whole premise of her post. I think she is obnoxious. But in your post you seem to be proud of only knowing about things that are somehow relevant to you. Which is not what makes you cultured.

I'm the PP you're responding to (not the reading comprehension one, although I do think youre moving goalposts since your question was what makes something relevant).

What makes Paris objectively important?

I've noticed that a certain type of person conflates Paris (and/or NYC, and I'd add anything British) with capital-c Culture. That's a very limited view. Every people and place has culture.

That was my first response to you so I'm not sure what goalposts I could have possibly moved. I also never said anything about any other place not being important but stating that Paris is somehow not important culturally is just ignorant. Are you seriously telling me that a well-educated person doesn't need to know the most basic things about Paris? The history, the architecture, the art, the fashion????? How is it possible for someone to dispute this? I similarly think that there is a certain subset of Americans who will always feel threatened by European history (French in particular) and will do anything to discredit the importance.

I'm well educated in history, art, and architecture - none of that *is* Paris, nor does Paris have a monopoly on it.

If you told me where in Paris you lived, I would not have a reference: is that near the airport, or far? fancy or not? Does the Metro go there?
Do you know those things about Paris neighborhoods? Why or why not?
Do you know similar things about San Francisco or Los Angeles? If not, why not?

I think you know you were wrong so now you're just arguing for there sake of arguing.

If you'd read the thread you jumped into, you'd see that just above you I said, "I don't know the neighborhoods, or the big office buildings or restaurants, or the transit system or the parks. Not knowing those things doesn't make me uncultured, it just means the focus of my life is elsewhere."

The OP is about food as culture, and whether ignorance of a French dish makes you uncultured. Nobody here is talking about history.

Let's not pretend that you didn't say a lot more in conjunction with that. For example "what makes Paris objectively important?"

Ok, now I'm siding with the PP who questioned your reading comprehension. You wandered into a restaurant and are mad nobody will sell you a book.

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Anonymous wrote:How enlightened are they? How educated? How worldly? I'm struggling to find the right word, but are they familiar with quasi exotic things?

We were all just talking about Christmas being two weeks away and how it has snuck up on us. Somebody said 'what's your meal going to be this year'? The new guy said Bouillabaisse. Literally three quarters of my office didn't know what it was.

And then I realized I was working with people way less cultured than myself.

You must be super old to try and make a troll post using a French recipe as a cultural touch point.

I'm 43. And honestly I think of Bouillabaisse as more of a west coast thing than a French thing.

I'm 45 from the west coast and have never had bouillabaisse. I was vaguely aware it was a soup.

People have different cultural touchstones, it doesn't make them "uncultured." Right now I work with a lot of people from NYC. I have had to learn about it, as I know very little. Growing up in the SF Bay Area I can promise you very few people there know or care about NYC and many have never been: no one thinks it's relevant. I'm sure we'd come across as uncultured to someone who does care.

What does this even mean? Relevant to what? It’s the largest city in America. Is Paris “relevant?” Is Tokyo? Nairobi?

Paris is a great example. Nothing against Paris but no, it's not relevant to my life. I don't know the neighborhoods, or the big office buildings or restaurants, or the transit system or the parks. Not knowing those things doesn't make me uncultured, it just means the focus of my life is elsewhere. Ditto for NYC.

Fine, but that DOES make you uncultured. Especially because you don't even have the slightest curiosity about it. Being cultured means being well versed in a vast array of things and being able to have a conversation about them whether they are relevant to your day-to-day or not.

But I am conversant in a vast array of things, including many you're unlikely to know about. I'm just not familiar with a specific thing that you've decided matters, the way OP decided bouillabaisse is the thing that determines sophistication.

And I'd be curious about your life in Paris if I were speaking to you, but I'd be engaged because it matters to you and we're talking, not because Paris is objectively important.

Paris is objectively important as are many other things whether they are relevant to your life or not. The fact that you can't see that is what makes you uncultured. Not that you don't know about every little fact that someone might bring up, as OP did. I don't agree with the whole premise of her post. I think she is obnoxious. But in your post you seem to be proud of only knowing about things that are somehow relevant to you. Which is not what makes you cultured.

I'm the PP you're responding to (not the reading comprehension one, although I do think youre moving goalposts since your question was what makes something relevant).

What makes Paris objectively important?

I've noticed that a certain type of person conflates Paris (and/or NYC, and I'd add anything British) with capital-c Culture. That's a very limited view. Every people and place has culture.

That was my first response to you so I'm not sure what goalposts I could have possibly moved. I also never said anything about any other place not being important but stating that Paris is somehow not important culturally is just ignorant. Are you seriously telling me that a well-educated person doesn't need to know the most basic things about Paris? The history, the architecture, the art, the fashion????? How is it possible for someone to dispute this? I similarly think that there is a certain subset of Americans who will always feel threatened by European history (French in particular) and will do anything to discredit the importance.

I'm well educated in history, art, and architecture - none of that *is* Paris, nor does Paris have a monopoly on it.

If you told me where in Paris you lived, I would not have a reference: is that near the airport, or far? fancy or not? Does the Metro go there?
Do you know those things about Paris neighborhoods? Why or why not?
Do you know similar things about San Francisco or Los Angeles? If not, why not?

I think you know you were wrong so now you're just arguing for there sake of arguing.

If you'd read the thread you jumped into, you'd see that just above you I said, "I don't know the neighborhoods, or the big office buildings or restaurants, or the transit system or the parks. Not knowing those things doesn't make me uncultured, it just means the focus of my life is elsewhere."

The OP is about food as culture, and whether ignorance of a French dish makes you uncultured. Nobody here is talking about history.

Let's not pretend that you didn't say a lot more in conjunction with that. For example "what makes Paris objectively important?"

Ok, now I'm siding with the PP who questioned your reading comprehension. You wandered into a restaurant and are mad nobody will sell you a book.

And similarly now I’m convinced that both of you are uncultured idiots and proud of it.

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I only know what Bouillabaisse is from my parochial high school French class sophomore year. I have never eaten fish soup. It sounds disgusting. I just had two beer battered Gorton's frozen fish sticks prepared in my Drew Barrymore Beautiful air fryer I bought at Walmart with a microwaved sweet potato and a cup of peas.

It was delicious.

I have a Ph.D. and work from home at a part time job that barely pays me enough money to afford my car payment on a used 2019 Chevy Trax. I qualify for Obamacare tax credits for health insurance. And I get my dental and vision through AARP.

I will literally go work in a family owned deli before I would ever return to an office with cultured or not coworkers who microwave left over stinky fish soup.

A human wrote that.

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And I am the PP at 16:02.

What has been top of mine for me when I think of France are two events in the news.

Trigger warning ⚠️

1. I follow the trial of Dominique Pelicot, 72, who admitted to drugging his then wife Gisele Pelicot for almost a decade so he and strangers he recruited online could SA her. There were more than 50 "ordinary" French men.

2. The opening of the Notre Dame Cathedral after restoration from the fire in 2019.

I work with people online who couldn't care less about either of those world events, which many others in the world find very historical and significant.

I should add that growing up Roman Catholic meant ties to Rome and Vatican City. It meant automatically knowing that you are connected to another part of the world since your religion is HQ'd there. A wealthy Presbyterian or a Methodist or Baptist wouldn't necessarily consider a Catholic from the inner city to be cultured just because we send tithing to the Vatican.

I also have relatives, my great grandfather's brother and his family, who live in Italy. I have visited them there. Again most wealthy people in the US wouldn't consider that cultured enough.

Cultured would be being British and going on holiday to a beach resort in Italy or sending your college student to study art history in Florence for a semester.

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Knowing what Bouillabaisse is makes you old, not cultured.

I work with mostly Gen Z. They don't even know what pants are.

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I am an expat working in Asia. My colleagues come from South Korea, Japan, Singapore, China, Australia, the US, the UK, Belgium, Germany, Russia, France, and New Zealand. We are a "well-cultured" and sophisticated group, I guess?

But I am reasonably certain that not all of my colleagues know how to make Bouillabaisse, or what is in it, and some of them haven't ever had it. I'm sure of it, in fact. However, they will be familiar with dishes you can't pronounce and haven't heard of, OP.

You have a very narrow idea of what "well-cultured" is. Basing your assessment on whether or not someone has heard of Bouillabaisse is, I think, indicative of just how limited your world actually has been (though I am sure you think your little vacations in the carefully curated tourist-hive streets of select European capitals make you "well-cultured").

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My experience:

In the Midwest at a non global company, the local sports teams.were.a huge deal as well as doing a lot with your family. Except for.the Ivies and big sports schools, they only knew about in-state colleges. Not a huge desire to travel anywhere except Florida and Las Vegas.

In the Northeast, people at my company are from all over. A lot more diversity. Still sports interest, but you would never see a dress up say where employees wore team jerseys. Most are more informed about current events and want to do interesting things.

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I don’t want to work with anyone in this thread, that is for damn sure.