What's wrong with immigrants, PP? |
You cannot build a 1600 sq ft house in the DC metro area for $150 per Sq foot. This 1400sq ft home here has a base price of 320k. The base price does not include the foundation, site prep, driveway, permits/utility connections, permit fees. You still need to buy actual land to put the house one. The base price for this house is $230/sq ft and that does not include site prep which will be at least 50k, foundation is going to be another 50k+ depending on site conditions. Then add another 10k for the driveway and 10-20k for permits. 15k for utility set-up This 1400sq ft house now cost a minimum of 445k to builder grade quality finishes and no upgrades. Don't forget the real estate recordation and transfer taxes which will add around another 2.5k in northern Virginia. Then you also need to include mortgage recordation taxes which will be around 1.5k. and another 10k for loan closing costs. So the absolute cheapest possible that you can purchase this house in NOVA (ignoring the cost of land) is around 460k. There is nowhere in NOVA where you can buy land to build a house for 40k. Even a 1/8th or 1/6th acre lot will cost you more than 40k. It is literally impossible to build a house 1600 sq foot house for under 500k in NOVA. The economics just don't work, due to increasingly stringent energy efficiency standards/building codes, higher costs of materials. |
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Right which is why there is a push to build higher density housing because there are still people in this area who need homes worth less than 500k. Whether they are buyers who cannot afford more than 500k or they are renters who need affordable rents. If if is no longer possible to build SFHs in this area that are affordable on a working or middle class income then you need to come up with other ways to house people with working and middle class incomes because you can't have a functional economy without people at these levels. |
Same person as before that sent you the condo link. Yes, I agree with you on this that condos are not very family friendly and it's beneficial for kids to have a yard to play in. I just don't agree that the solution is to build a bunch a "high density housing" and eliminate single family zoning. The better solution is to create starter home single family neighborhoods in the suburbs that will be relatively more affordable with 5,000-10,000 sq ft lots. Townhouses can be good options for families too, but housing that is higher density than around 8 units per acre should be close to transit and employment centers to prevent traffic congestion. |
High density is fine if people can actually walk to the metro station and they won't need to drive much. However, high density can be a disaster in low density suburban areas that have no meaningful access to transit. A single apartment complex with 40 units per acre can completely overwhelm local infrastructure in an area that is not transit accessible to walkable. |
Right but another poster just went into detail as to why it's not possible to build single family houses at an affordable price point in this area -- cost of land and cost of materials and cost of labor. This is why developers focus on either building large homes on smaller lots (maximize land costs by packing in as much square footage as possible to sell at a higher price point) or building condos. This is how you make money in a place with expensive land costs. I think if you want to build more affordable housing that works for families you need government incentives and intervention. Because if developers just follow the money it's luxury homes and small condos. But if you can incentivize the building of 2-4 bedroom homes (in whatever form) that are affordably priced and have family-friendly features (outdoor space and in walkable neighbors near schools and parks) then maybe that will become more desirable to developers. |
| In 2023, investors accounted for 27% of all single-family home purchases. Blackstone and American Homes 4 Rent are particularly active acquirers. |
They won't build that in walkable locations if you upzone the entire county or state. They will the more affordable units in completely unwalkable high density developments mostly in areas that are not close to things (because the land is much cheaper). Then the taxpayers will be forced to cover the cost of expanding roads, schools sewer and water infrastructure because they are trying to build a density that the community was not designed to accommodate. Zoning has to be very thoughtful about density and proximity to transit or you get economically inefficient sprawl because developers are not required to pay for (most of) the externalities related to their decisions. It costs Fairfax county around 90k per student to build new school capacity. |
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It drives me crazy when people blame the federal govt or when candidates pretend they can do something. These are local issues. Zoning is a major factor. Look at DC. |
completely agree- foreigners are buying up american property forcing americans living and working here to pay them rent, thus removing that income from the USA plus forcing americans to be impoverished to the benefit of foreign, non resident investors. Housing is NOT primarily an investment vehicle, its one if the functions of government to protect the ability of its citizens to pursue property but apparently our gvernet thinks thomas jefferson, ben frankin et. al were dumber than ted cruz, josh hawley and elizabeth warren (eyeroll) they ALL suck. |
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There are a lot of housing options at all different price ranges around DC. You can find affordability in PG if being close to DC is a priority. If being close to PG is not a priority, then you can look in Frederick County or PW county.
Plenty of options and choices to make. |
https://www.corelogic.com/intelligence/us-home-investor-share-remained-high-early-summer-2023/ |
Because corporations are people ? |