T20 undergraduate population vs # of available 99th percentile students

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Anonymous wrote:The number from a 2022 Common App report:

76,747 students applied to college with ACT/SAT scores >1500 (99%)

Wow. I assume the number is so high due to superscoring? This is an eye-opening figure for sure.

Yes, because of superscoring and many coached kids take the test numerous times to get to 1500, superscored over two tests or from taking it several times until they reach that score on the final take.

I'm in higher ed and have access to data from the Common App and Slate (for research purposes) and people would be surprised how big the pool of 1500/34+ pool is, especially in the last 10-15 years.

Forgot to add that it was close to 90K in 2024!

Holy moly! Do you know how many 1600s?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The number from a 2022 Common App report:

76,747 students applied to college with ACT/SAT scores >1500 (99%)

Wow. I assume the number is so high due to superscoring? This is an eye-opening figure for sure.

Yes, because of superscoring and many coached kids take the test numerous times to get to 1500, superscored over two tests or from taking it several times until they reach that score on the final take.

I'm in higher ed and have access to data from the Common App and Slate (for research purposes) and people would be surprised how big the pool of 1500/34+ pool is, especially in the last 10-15 years.

This makes me think I should have my kid report all scores just to show they didn’t take the SAT over and over again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are roughly 2 million SAT takers and 1.4 million ACT takers. A proportion take both.

Assuming there are 3 million test takers. 1% yields 30,000 who are in the 99th percentile.

With superscoring, that number at least doubles, so one is looking at 60,000 students scoring in the 99th percentile.

This. There are not enough spots for all 99th%ile scorers in the T20 especially considering 1/4 pf spots are for athletes and other major hooks

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Anonymous wrote:I recommend that you don't use superscoring in this analysis. Superscoring seems like a public relations gesture to stressed out students. Rather than something that really impacts a lot of candidates to get them admitted. And you don't have any data on what improvements are typically seen with superscoring. Any assumptions might be quite off.

?? A 35 superscore is the same as a 35 in one setting. Test scores check a box not get you admitted. It is possible you could create a good impression by a one and done 35 but you would create a better impression by a 36 superscored. All colleges are looking for is the number. It does impact a lot of candidates.

No, it's not. It implies a different (lower) "true ability".

No it doesn’t. The SAT/ACT don’t test aptitude at all. They will both tell you so. If you can’t assume tests across different test dates are within a very narrow range of difficulty then that renders these tests practically useless as a comparitive metric.

They are g loaded tests.

The tests are equated between test dates. https://www.collegevine.com/faq/17181/how-does-the-sat-curve-work

The tests are the single most important predictor of performance at highly selective colleges.

You do know that this isn't true based on copious past research which shows GPA to be slightly better than test scores as a predictor. I believe that because of grade inflation and GPA compression at the top this will reverse as newer research studies are completed but to date the research refutes your assertion.

Most recent research shows test scores are more predictive than GPA; almost certainly because of grade inflation. The best predictor is test scores, grades and rigor assessed together.

Precisely. The premeds struggling in chem, calc, physics from kid’s magnet are the ones whose psat and first SAT were both well below average for the college they attended. These ones who have B+ and above are ones who were above the average SAT from the first time they took it. Most of the friend group went to UVA, W&L, Clemson, W&M. The 27 ACT kid who got to a 34 on the 5th try is struggling at his school. He doesn’t belong there for premed, where it all rests on the curve(bottom 1/3 get B- or Cs, effectively eliminating premed dreams if it happens multiple semesters). TO was a big disservice to many but so is the multiple chances. Georgetown does it right.

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My 1580 kid didnt even apply to colleges in the US.

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Of course PP knows all the SAT scores from students in her kids' classes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The number from a 2022 Common App report:

76,747 students applied to college with ACT/SAT scores >1500 (99%)

Wow. I assume the number is so high due to superscoring? This is an eye-opening figure for sure.

Yes, because of superscoring and many coached kids take the test numerous times to get to 1500, superscored over two tests or from taking it several times until they reach that score on the final take.

I'm in higher ed and have access to data from the Common App and Slate (for research purposes) and people would be surprised how big the pool of 1500/34+ pool is, especially in the last 10-15 years.

This makes me think I should have my kid report all scores just to show they didn’t take the SAT over and over again

Colleges don't care, sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The number from a 2022 Common App report:

76,747 students applied to college with ACT/SAT scores >1500 (99%)

Wow. I assume the number is so high due to superscoring? This is an eye-opening figure for sure.

Yes, because of superscoring and many coached kids take the test numerous times to get to 1500, superscored over two tests or from taking it several times until they reach that score on the final take.

I'm in higher ed and have access to data from the Common App and Slate (for research purposes) and people would be surprised how big the pool of 1500/34+ pool is, especially in the last 10-15 years.

Forgot to add that it was close to 90K in 2024!

How do you know?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The number from a 2022 Common App report:

76,747 students applied to college with ACT/SAT scores >1500 (99%)

Wow. I assume the number is so high due to superscoring? This is an eye-opening figure for sure.

Yes, because of superscoring and many coached kids take the test numerous times to get to 1500, superscored over two tests or from taking it several times until they reach that score on the final take.

I'm in higher ed and have access to data from the Common App and Slate (for research purposes) and people would be surprised how big the pool of 1500/34+ pool is, especially in the last 10-15 years.

This isn't secret information

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

1500 is 98%ile

4Million HS grads

2% of 4Million is 80K

76K college applicants with 1500+

Not every high stats applicant takes SAT, but obviously most do, because it helps their app. Not many would-be 1500+ scores skipping SAT.

Nothingburger.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The number from a 2022 Common App report:

76,747 students applied to college with ACT/SAT scores >1500 (99%)

Wow. I assume the number is so high due to superscoring? This is an eye-opening figure for sure.

Yes, because of superscoring and many coached kids take the test numerous times to get to 1500, superscored over two tests or from taking it several times until they reach that score on the final take.

I'm in higher ed and have access to data from the Common App and Slate (for research purposes) and people would be surprised how big the pool of 1500/34+ pool is, especially in the last 10-15 years.

Forgot to add that it was close to 90K in 2024!

How do you know?

I already explained I have access to research data. The latest published report from Common App is from 2022. Someone else has posted the link. I can’t post proof because the data is not public.