Die With Zero

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of these responses assume nothing bad will happen until some certain age. That's so far from sure, and it's arrogant (that may not be quite the right word, but it seems more willful than just naive) to think you will definitely be here and ready to travel at 70, 80, whatever.


To add, without having read the book but having read lots of commentary about it, people tend to look at one risk -- not amassing enough money for many years of care, which can be "calculated" financially -- without balancing the other risks like dying early or becoming sick or disabled and not "living enough," whatever that looks like for you.


But maybe I just don't have a good imagination or I have been lucky but working and continuing to save a bit is what I want to do. If I got hit by a bus tomorrow, I would not regret continuing to work. And I have just a regular job, not a passion project. If I had an alternative lifestyle that I'd rather live, I'd do it.

My husband's retirement consists of 10 hours a week of a hobby and doing grocery shopping and cooking. And a whole lot of internet surfing. He's an introvert and that works for him. I would much much rather work that spend my time that way. YMMV indeed.


Do you have grandchildren? If you are still mobile and active, can't you help with them, take some burden off your children


No I don't. Neither of my children is married yet (early to mid 20s).
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Anonymous wrote:Another thing is that if you don’t learn how to spend (responsibly) now, you definitely aren’t going to learn it in retirement. You will be too set in your ways at that point. I have seen countless retirees who sit on huge savings and do nothing with it because they lived their lives saving every dollar possible, and they don’t know how to spend.


I don't think it's that hard to learn how to spend money responsibly - at least it's not harder than saving every dollar possible. I also kind of doubt that these people regret dying with money in the bank, and they probably enjoy being able to pass down their wealth to whoever they want. I think the way to convince people who've been scrimping their whole life to spend more is to figure out what their goals are, and show them why spending now, rather than later, will align with those goals.

For example, the Die with Zero author makes the argument that, no matter what you want to do with your fortune (spend it, pass it down to future generations, donate it to charity), that it's best to start doing it earlier than later. I believe his book (only listened to a podcast) talks about how charities can change with subsequent directors, so you don't know how they'll be run 5 to 10 years into the future, and that it's easier to make sure the charity aligns with your goals if you're still alive when giving them the donation. For giving to future generations, it's better to help them fund college, grad school, down payment for a house, etc., than to give your 60 year old children a lump sum. Obviously, with travel, you'll have more fun doing it at age 40 than 70. If you have family members that refuse to spend, maybe try talking to them about what they're hoping to get out of the money that they're saving.


Why is this obvious? I enjoy things on which I have spent money but which have not detracted from my financial goals. I’m 42 but would not enjoy a $15,000 vacation now because I have other financial goals which that would delay - I’d be thinking about that even while taking in the beautiful scenery. I’m not saying you have to wait till 70, but I know for sure I would enjoy that trip more at 52 than 42.


I would have thought the same, but after being incredibly fit and healthy in his forties, my spouse hurt his back around age 50 (while exercising) and spent several years in a lot of pain. We did take some trips during that time but flights were excruciating and we modified activities extensively. He could barely walk up stairs. There is no question the trips were less fun than they would have been a few years before. The good news is that after several rough years he is getting better and we are able to do more. But it has brought home to me that if you want to do something, now is the time. None of us know what the future holds.


Agree but a back issue like that at 50 is not common. There really should be no difference between say 40 and 60. At 60 there is a change but 50 is not normal to have an issue like this.


I can’t say definitively, but I have two close friends dealing with the exact same issue, so I don’t think it’s all that rare at that age. It does seem to resolve eventually for most.

I’m midway between 40 and 60, and I wish there was no difference but to me the diff seems vast. I knew only one person my age with cancer when I was 40. I now have several in my life.
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My own mother, who was perfectly active at fifty, at sixty is crippled with rheumatoid arthritis and the effects of osteoporosis. Never take anything for granted.
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