Article in NYT today re: students, tik tok and targeting teachers

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I just cannot understand why parents don't step up and knock this garbage out. Why aren't they stopping their kids from doing this type of stuff? Enough with the they can't be there everywhere, all the time ... if you can't be there to police (yes, police) and educate your own children on common decency in society then DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN. Abortion is readily available as is birth control. Do the world a favor, either parent or do not have kids.

OK, b00mer.

Not a boomer or a teacher. Just an observer of the kids gone wild version 2024. Parents have got to step it up.

I didn't think you were a current teacher. Your lack of understanding of kids, parenting, and the Internet clearly puts you beyond working age.

DP and a teacher.

I’m in total agreement with PP. Parents need to step up and demand better behavior from their kids.

I’ve been at this a while now. Behaviors are out of control. I used to feel I had partnerships with parents. Now when I call parents, I brace myself for the personal attack. If I’m calling with a student concern, I am often blamed for whatever it is.

What did you expect when you kept schools closed for 18 months?

I only wish teachers had such power. Parents these days are too busy on their own phones to properly parent their own kids. This has nothing to do with schools being closed.

You're forgetting the illegal strikes and threats of illegal strikes. As well as the school boards hand-picked by teachers unions, who often operate the largest and best-funded local political action committees.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I just cannot understand why parents don't step up and knock this garbage out. Why aren't they stopping their kids from doing this type of stuff? Enough with the they can't be there everywhere, all the time ... if you can't be there to police (yes, police) and educate your own children on common decency in society then DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN. Abortion is readily available as is birth control. Do the world a favor, either parent or do not have kids.

OK, b00mer.

Not a boomer or a teacher. Just an observer of the kids gone wild version 2024. Parents have got to step it up.

I didn't think you were a current teacher. Your lack of understanding of kids, parenting, and the Internet clearly puts you beyond working age.

DP and a teacher.

I’m in total agreement with PP. Parents need to step up and demand better behavior from their kids.

I’ve been at this a while now. Behaviors are out of control. I used to feel I had partnerships with parents. Now when I call parents, I brace myself for the personal attack. If I’m calling with a student concern, I am often blamed for whatever it is.

What did you expect when you kept schools closed for 18 months?

My school closed for about a month and then we reopened. I taught in person for the majority of the Covid era, also offering Zoom instruction and office hours for kids who couldn’t come in. Yes, it was twice the work for the same pay. You’re welcome.

And even if I hadn’t, teachers were not the ones who closed schools and pushed virtual instruction. Teachers don’t have that kind of power. So if you (all this time later) still feel the need to gripe about this, at least send your complaints to the people who actually made the decisions.

Why are you posting in a DMV forum when you don't live or work in the DMV? It doesn't sound like you're in the US at all.

Not only am I in the US, I’m in the DC region. Private high school. And there were MANY public districts nationwide open during Covid. It seems your district wasn’t. (I’m guessing MCPS? FCPS?) The teachers were not responsible for that decision, so it’s time for you to grow up and move on.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I just cannot understand why parents don't step up and knock this garbage out. Why aren't they stopping their kids from doing this type of stuff? Enough with the they can't be there everywhere, all the time ... if you can't be there to police (yes, police) and educate your own children on common decency in society then DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN. Abortion is readily available as is birth control. Do the world a favor, either parent or do not have kids.

OK, b00mer.

Not a boomer or a teacher. Just an observer of the kids gone wild version 2024. Parents have got to step it up.

I didn't think you were a current teacher. Your lack of understanding of kids, parenting, and the Internet clearly puts you beyond working age.

DP and a teacher.

I’m in total agreement with PP. Parents need to step up and demand better behavior from their kids.

I’ve been at this a while now. Behaviors are out of control. I used to feel I had partnerships with parents. Now when I call parents, I brace myself for the personal attack. If I’m calling with a student concern, I am often blamed for whatever it is.

What did you expect when you kept schools closed for 18 months?

My school closed for about a month and then we reopened. I taught in person for the majority of the Covid era, also offering Zoom instruction and office hours for kids who couldn’t come in. Yes, it was twice the work for the same pay. You’re welcome.

And even if I hadn’t, teachers were not the ones who closed schools and pushed virtual instruction. Teachers don’t have that kind of power. So if you (all this time later) still feel the need to gripe about this, at least send your complaints to the people who actually made the decisions.

Why are you posting in a DMV forum when you don't live or work in the DMV? It doesn't sound like you're in the US at all.

Not only am I in the US, I’m in the DC region. Private high school. And there were MANY public districts nationwide open during Covid. It seems your district wasn’t. (I’m guessing MCPS? FCPS?) The teachers were not responsible for that decision, so it’s time for you to grow up and move on.

Makes sense you weren't in public. The publics didn't reopen because of the strength of the unions and their political action committees. And who makes up those unions and PACs? Teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been going on for a while. An 8th grader made a MySpace page for my mom ( his teacher) about 15 years ago and said all sorts of horrible things about her. Kid wasn’t punished but had to take down the page. You all need to catch up.

Which, of course, caused your mom such permanent damage that forced her to live in van down by the river.

DP. Like I said a few pages ago, you can almost always see where the kids get it. The kids who do stuff like this very rarely have good parents.

It's a lot more nuance than that. Parents and children are operating under an environment where everyone is under assault from wealth and powerful tech companies world wide. It's akin to letting companies pour megatons of heroin into the aquifers and lakes and pipes, and then blaming parents for not properly filtering the water their kids come in contact with.

I’m a teacher and a parent. I respect your point, but this environment doesn’t excuse parents from parenting. I’ve been carefully teaching my own children and my students how to navigate these influences.

I’m afraid that, for many, the nuance you address is out of sight. Some parents simply don’t care what their kids are doing or what their kids are exposed to. I’ve met these parents at conferences. They don’t even know the teenager they birthed, and it’s sad.

Almost like people act different ways around different people and in different environments? Shocking.

So you’re suggesting that these parents are merely acting like they don’t know their own kids? What would be the point of that? How do they benefit by acting like uninvolved and disinterested parents? What a completely nonsensical post.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I just cannot understand why parents don't step up and knock this garbage out. Why aren't they stopping their kids from doing this type of stuff? Enough with the they can't be there everywhere, all the time ... if you can't be there to police (yes, police) and educate your own children on common decency in society then DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN. Abortion is readily available as is birth control. Do the world a favor, either parent or do not have kids.

OK, b00mer.

Not a boomer or a teacher. Just an observer of the kids gone wild version 2024. Parents have got to step it up.

I didn't think you were a current teacher. Your lack of understanding of kids, parenting, and the Internet clearly puts you beyond working age.

DP and a teacher.

I’m in total agreement with PP. Parents need to step up and demand better behavior from their kids.

I’ve been at this a while now. Behaviors are out of control. I used to feel I had partnerships with parents. Now when I call parents, I brace myself for the personal attack. If I’m calling with a student concern, I am often blamed for whatever it is.

What did you expect when you kept schools closed for 18 months?

My school closed for about a month and then we reopened. I taught in person for the majority of the Covid era, also offering Zoom instruction and office hours for kids who couldn’t come in. Yes, it was twice the work for the same pay. You’re welcome.

And even if I hadn’t, teachers were not the ones who closed schools and pushed virtual instruction. Teachers don’t have that kind of power. So if you (all this time later) still feel the need to gripe about this, at least send your complaints to the people who actually made the decisions.

Why are you posting in a DMV forum when you don't live or work in the DMV? It doesn't sound like you're in the US at all.

Not only am I in the US, I’m in the DC region. Private high school. And there were MANY public districts nationwide open during Covid. It seems your district wasn’t. (I’m guessing MCPS? FCPS?) The teachers were not responsible for that decision, so it’s time for you to grow up and move on.

Makes sense you weren't in public. The publics didn't reopen because of the strength of the unions and their political action committees. And who makes up those unions and PACs? Teachers.

Teachers who weren’t asked for their opinions. Do you think there was some sort of secret district-wide teacher vote to keep schools virtual?

I worked in public schools for two decades before going private. I can’t think of a single time I was asked my opinion about anything, by either leadership or the union. Not once. Not a single vote.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I just cannot understand why parents don't step up and knock this garbage out. Why aren't they stopping their kids from doing this type of stuff? Enough with the they can't be there everywhere, all the time ... if you can't be there to police (yes, police) and educate your own children on common decency in society then DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN. Abortion is readily available as is birth control. Do the world a favor, either parent or do not have kids.

OK, b00mer.

Not a boomer or a teacher. Just an observer of the kids gone wild version 2024. Parents have got to step it up.

I didn't think you were a current teacher. Your lack of understanding of kids, parenting, and the Internet clearly puts you beyond working age.

DP and a teacher.

I’m in total agreement with PP. Parents need to step up and demand better behavior from their kids.

I’ve been at this a while now. Behaviors are out of control. I used to feel I had partnerships with parents. Now when I call parents, I brace myself for the personal attack. If I’m calling with a student concern, I am often blamed for whatever it is.

What did you expect when you kept schools closed for 18 months?

My school closed for about a month and then we reopened. I taught in person for the majority of the Covid era, also offering Zoom instruction and office hours for kids who couldn’t come in. Yes, it was twice the work for the same pay. You’re welcome.

And even if I hadn’t, teachers were not the ones who closed schools and pushed virtual instruction. Teachers don’t have that kind of power. So if you (all this time later) still feel the need to gripe about this, at least send your complaints to the people who actually made the decisions.

Why are you posting in a DMV forum when you don't live or work in the DMV? It doesn't sound like you're in the US at all.

Not only am I in the US, I’m in the DC region. Private high school. And there were MANY public districts nationwide open during Covid. It seems your district wasn’t. (I’m guessing MCPS? FCPS?) The teachers were not responsible for that decision, so it’s time for you to grow up and move on.

Makes sense you weren't in public. The publics didn't reopen because of the strength of the unions and their political action committees. And who makes up those unions and PACs? Teachers.

Teachers who weren’t asked for their opinions. Do you think there was some sort of secret district-wide teacher vote to keep schools virtual?

I worked in public schools for two decades before going private. I can’t think of a single time I was asked my opinion about anything, by either leadership or the union. Not once. Not a single vote.

They absolutely were asked for their opinions. There were ongoing negations with teachers groups and their unions regarding reopening. Are you really that oblivious to what happens at public schools? You can't claim the union doesn't represent you when that is explicitly their job.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been going on for a while. An 8th grader made a MySpace page for my mom ( his teacher) about 15 years ago and said all sorts of horrible things about her. Kid wasn’t punished but had to take down the page. You all need to catch up.

Which, of course, caused your mom such permanent damage that forced her to live in van down by the river.

DP. Like I said a few pages ago, you can almost always see where the kids get it. The kids who do stuff like this very rarely have good parents.

It's a lot more nuance than that. Parents and children are operating under an environment where everyone is under assault from wealth and powerful tech companies world wide. It's akin to letting companies pour megatons of heroin into the aquifers and lakes and pipes, and then blaming parents for not properly filtering the water their kids come in contact with.

I’m a teacher and a parent. I respect your point, but this environment doesn’t excuse parents from parenting. I’ve been carefully teaching my own children and my students how to navigate these influences.

I’m afraid that, for many, the nuance you address is out of sight. Some parents simply don’t care what their kids are doing or what their kids are exposed to. I’ve met these parents at conferences. They don’t even know the teenager they birthed, and it’s sad.

Almost like people act different ways around different people and in different environments? Shocking.

So you’re suggesting that these parents are merely acting like they don’t know their own kids? What would be the point of that? How do they benefit by acting like uninvolved and disinterested parents? What a completely nonsensical post.

Wow. Woosh. It might be time for retirement for you. Unless you're an English teacher, in which case you don't really do anything anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been going on for a while. An 8th grader made a MySpace page for my mom ( his teacher) about 15 years ago and said all sorts of horrible things about her. Kid wasn’t punished but had to take down the page. You all need to catch up.

Which, of course, caused your mom such permanent damage that forced her to live in van down by the river.

DP. Like I said a few pages ago, you can almost always see where the kids get it. The kids who do stuff like this very rarely have good parents.

It's a lot more nuance than that. Parents and children are operating under an environment where everyone is under assault from wealth and powerful tech companies world wide. It's akin to letting companies pour megatons of heroin into the aquifers and lakes and pipes, and then blaming parents for not properly filtering the water their kids come in contact with.

I’m a teacher and a parent. I respect your point, but this environment doesn’t excuse parents from parenting. I’ve been carefully teaching my own children and my students how to navigate these influences.

I’m afraid that, for many, the nuance you address is out of sight. Some parents simply don’t care what their kids are doing or what their kids are exposed to. I’ve met these parents at conferences. They don’t even know the teenager they birthed, and it’s sad.

Almost like people act different ways around different people and in different environments? Shocking.

So you’re suggesting that these parents are merely acting like they don’t know their own kids? What would be the point of that? How do they benefit by acting like uninvolved and disinterested parents? What a completely nonsensical post.

Wow. Woosh. It might be time for retirement for you. Unless you're an English teacher, in which case you don't really do anything anyway.

When you identify yourself as a child, I lose interest. Keep in mind I deal with children every day, and I know they resort to personal attacks when they have nothing constructive to contribute. I suppose we’re there.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been going on for a while. An 8th grader made a MySpace page for my mom ( his teacher) about 15 years ago and said all sorts of horrible things about her. Kid wasn’t punished but had to take down the page. You all need to catch up.

Which, of course, caused your mom such permanent damage that forced her to live in van down by the river.

DP. Like I said a few pages ago, you can almost always see where the kids get it. The kids who do stuff like this very rarely have good parents.

It's a lot more nuance than that. Parents and children are operating under an environment where everyone is under assault from wealth and powerful tech companies world wide. It's akin to letting companies pour megatons of heroin into the aquifers and lakes and pipes, and then blaming parents for not properly filtering the water their kids come in contact with.

I’m a teacher and a parent. I respect your point, but this environment doesn’t excuse parents from parenting. I’ve been carefully teaching my own children and my students how to navigate these influences.

I’m afraid that, for many, the nuance you address is out of sight. Some parents simply don’t care what their kids are doing or what their kids are exposed to. I’ve met these parents at conferences. They don’t even know the teenager they birthed, and it’s sad.

Almost like people act different ways around different people and in different environments? Shocking.

So you’re suggesting that these parents are merely acting like they don’t know their own kids? What would be the point of that? How do they benefit by acting like uninvolved and disinterested parents? What a completely nonsensical post.

Wow. Woosh. It might be time for retirement for you. Unless you're an English teacher, in which case you don't really do anything anyway.

When you identify yourself as a child, I lose interest. Keep in mind I deal with children every day, and I know they resort to personal attacks when they have nothing constructive to contribute. I suppose we’re there.

I can tell. I deal with highly educated and skilled adults all day at work, so I expect people to be able to follow along in discussions.

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Regardless, students cannot be allowed to post dangerous things online like the ones in the article. There needs to be action taken so that staff can work in a non hostile work environment.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless, students cannot be allowed to post dangerous things online like the ones in the article. There needs to be action taken so that staff can work in a non hostile work environment.

Dangerous? Because you find it plausible that a teacher would create a social media profile about how she touch children? You look at yourself and your peers and think "yeah, one of us might do that"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Regardless, students cannot be allowed to post dangerous things online like the ones in the article. There needs to be action taken so that staff can work in a non hostile work environment.

Excellent point regarding hostile work environments. That’s exactly what this creates.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless, students cannot be allowed to post dangerous things online like the ones in the article. There needs to be action taken so that staff can work in a non hostile work environment.

Excellent point regarding hostile work environments. That’s exactly what this creates.

Your students probably feel the same way. They don't have a choice to be there, but you do.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been going on for a while. An 8th grader made a MySpace page for my mom ( his teacher) about 15 years ago and said all sorts of horrible things about her. Kid wasn’t punished but had to take down the page. You all need to catch up.

Which, of course, caused your mom such permanent damage that forced her to live in van down by the river.

DP. Like I said a few pages ago, you can almost always see where the kids get it. The kids who do stuff like this very rarely have good parents.

It's a lot more nuance than that. Parents and children are operating under an environment where everyone is under assault from wealth and powerful tech companies world wide. It's akin to letting companies pour megatons of heroin into the aquifers and lakes and pipes, and then blaming parents for not properly filtering the water their kids come in contact with.

I’m a teacher and a parent. I respect your point, but this environment doesn’t excuse parents from parenting. I’ve been carefully teaching my own children and my students how to navigate these influences.

I’m afraid that, for many, the nuance you address is out of sight. Some parents simply don’t care what their kids are doing or what their kids are exposed to. I’ve met these parents at conferences. They don’t even know the teenager they birthed, and it’s sad.

Almost like people act different ways around different people and in different environments? Shocking.

So you’re suggesting that these parents are merely acting like they don’t know their own kids? What would be the point of that? How do they benefit by acting like uninvolved and disinterested parents? What a completely nonsensical post.

Wow. Woosh. It might be time for retirement for you. Unless you're an English teacher, in which case you don't really do anything anyway.

When you identify yourself as a child, I lose interest. Keep in mind I deal with children every day, and I know they resort to personal attacks when they have nothing constructive to contribute. I suppose we’re there.

I can tell. I deal with highly educated and skilled adults all day at work, so I expect people to be able to follow along in discussions.

DP. You must bring them coffee. Highly educated and skilled pivoted fine to online--knowledge workers can work remotely, remember? And it was nice to have the kids at home. Why don't you start your own thread about school closings instead of hijacking this one?

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Anonymous wrote:This has been going on for a while. An 8th grader made a MySpace page for my mom ( his teacher) about 15 years ago and said all sorts of horrible things about her. Kid wasn’t punished but had to take down the page. You all need to catch up.

Which, of course, caused your mom such permanent damage that forced her to live in van down by the river.

DP. Like I said a few pages ago, you can almost always see where the kids get it. The kids who do stuff like this very rarely have good parents.

It's a lot more nuance than that. Parents and children are operating under an environment where everyone is under assault from wealth and powerful tech companies world wide. It's akin to letting companies pour megatons of heroin into the aquifers and lakes and pipes, and then blaming parents for not properly filtering the water their kids come in contact with.

I’m a teacher and a parent. I respect your point, but this environment doesn’t excuse parents from parenting. I’ve been carefully teaching my own children and my students how to navigate these influences.

I’m afraid that, for many, the nuance you address is out of sight. Some parents simply don’t care what their kids are doing or what their kids are exposed to. I’ve met these parents at conferences. They don’t even know the teenager they birthed, and it’s sad.

Almost like people act different ways around different people and in different environments? Shocking.

So you’re suggesting that these parents are merely acting like they don’t know their own kids? What would be the point of that? How do they benefit by acting like uninvolved and disinterested parents? What a completely nonsensical post.

Wow. Woosh. It might be time for retirement for you. Unless you're an English teacher, in which case you don't really do anything anyway.

When you identify yourself as a child, I lose interest. Keep in mind I deal with children every day, and I know they resort to personal attacks when they have nothing constructive to contribute. I suppose we’re there.

I can tell. I deal with highly educated and skilled adults all day at work, so I expect people to be able to follow along in discussions.

DP. You must bring them coffee. Highly educated and skilled pivoted fine to online--knowledge workers can work remotely, remember? And it was nice to have the kids at home. Why don't you start your own thread about school closings instead of hijacking this one?

My lab equipment somehow doesn't fit at home, and it would have been hard for my spouse to treat patients without being in the hospital. I don't think my 6 year old would have found it "nice" to stay home alone.