Article in NYT today re: students, tik tok and targeting teachers

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I just cannot understand why parents don't step up and knock this garbage out. Why aren't they stopping their kids from doing this type of stuff? Enough with the they can't be there everywhere, all the time ... if you can't be there to police (yes, police) and educate your own children on common decency in society then DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN. Abortion is readily available as is birth control. Do the world a favor, either parent or do not have kids.

OK, b00mer.

Not a boomer or a teacher. Just an observer of the kids gone wild version 2024. Parents have got to step it up.

I didn't think you were a current teacher. Your lack of understanding of kids, parenting, and the Internet clearly puts you beyond working age.

DP and a teacher.

I’m in total agreement with PP. Parents need to step up and demand better behavior from their kids.

I’ve been at this a while now. Behaviors are out of control. I used to feel I had partnerships with parents. Now when I call parents, I brace myself for the personal attack. If I’m calling with a student concern, I am often blamed for whatever it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I just cannot understand why parents don't step up and knock this garbage out. Why aren't they stopping their kids from doing this type of stuff? Enough with the they can't be there everywhere, all the time ... if you can't be there to police (yes, police) and educate your own children on common decency in society then DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN. Abortion is readily available as is birth control. Do the world a favor, either parent or do not have kids.

OK, b00mer.

Not a boomer or a teacher. Just an observer of the kids gone wild version 2024. Parents have got to step it up.

I didn't think you were a current teacher. Your lack of understanding of kids, parenting, and the Internet clearly puts you beyond working age.

DP and a teacher.

I’m in total agreement with PP. Parents need to step up and demand better behavior from their kids.

I’ve been at this a while now. Behaviors are out of control. I used to feel I had partnerships with parents. Now when I call parents, I brace myself for the personal attack. If I’m calling with a student concern, I am often blamed for whatever it is.

What did you expect when you kept schools closed for 18 months?

[Anonymous]

This has been going on for a while. An 8th grader made a MySpace page for my mom ( his teacher) about 15 years ago and said all sorts of horrible things about her. Kid wasn’t punished but had to take down the page. You all need to catch up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This has been going on for a while. An 8th grader made a MySpace page for my mom ( his teacher) about 15 years ago and said all sorts of horrible things about her. Kid wasn’t punished but had to take down the page. You all need to catch up.

Which, of course, caused your mom such permanent damage that forced her to live in van down by the river.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly I just cannot understand why parents don't step up and knock this garbage out. Why aren't they stopping their kids from doing this type of stuff? Enough with the they can't be there everywhere, all the time ... if you can't be there to police (yes, police) and educate your own children on common decency in society then DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN. Abortion is readily available as is birth control. Do the world a favor, either parent or do not have kids.

OK, b00mer.

Not a boomer or a teacher. Just an observer of the kids gone wild version 2024. Parents have got to step it up.

I didn't think you were a current teacher. Your lack of understanding of kids, parenting, and the Internet clearly puts you beyond working age.

DP and a teacher.

I’m in total agreement with PP. Parents need to step up and demand better behavior from their kids.

I’ve been at this a while now. Behaviors are out of control. I used to feel I had partnerships with parents. Now when I call parents, I brace myself for the personal attack. If I’m calling with a student concern, I am often blamed for whatever it is.

What did you expect when you kept schools closed for 18 months?

My school closed for about a month and then we reopened. I taught in person for the majority of the Covid era, also offering Zoom instruction and office hours for kids who couldn’t come in. Yes, it was twice the work for the same pay. You’re welcome.

And even if I hadn’t, teachers were not the ones who closed schools and pushed virtual instruction. Teachers don’t have that kind of power. So if you (all this time later) still feel the need to gripe about this, at least send your complaints to the people who actually made the decisions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This has been going on for a while. An 8th grader made a MySpace page for my mom ( his teacher) about 15 years ago and said all sorts of horrible things about her. Kid wasn’t punished but had to take down the page. You all need to catch up.

Which, of course, caused your mom such permanent damage that forced her to live in van down by the river.

The disrespect to teachers is just astonishing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This has been going on for a while. An 8th grader made a MySpace page for my mom ( his teacher) about 15 years ago and said all sorts of horrible things about her. Kid wasn’t punished but had to take down the page. You all need to catch up.

Which, of course, caused your mom such permanent damage that forced her to live in van down by the river.

DP. Like I said a few pages ago, you can almost always see where the kids get it. The kids who do stuff like this very rarely have good parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly I just cannot understand why parents don't step up and knock this garbage out. Why aren't they stopping their kids from doing this type of stuff? Enough with the they can't be there everywhere, all the time ... if you can't be there to police (yes, police) and educate your own children on common decency in society then DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN. Abortion is readily available as is birth control. Do the world a favor, either parent or do not have kids.

OK, b00mer.

Not a boomer or a teacher. Just an observer of the kids gone wild version 2024. Parents have got to step it up.

I didn't think you were a current teacher. Your lack of understanding of kids, parenting, and the Internet clearly puts you beyond working age.

DP and a teacher.

I’m in total agreement with PP. Parents need to step up and demand better behavior from their kids.

I’ve been at this a while now. Behaviors are out of control. I used to feel I had partnerships with parents. Now when I call parents, I brace myself for the personal attack. If I’m calling with a student concern, I am often blamed for whatever it is.

What did you expect when you kept schools closed for 18 months?

I only wish teachers had such power. Parents these days are too busy on their own phones to properly parent their own kids. This has nothing to do with schools being closed.

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Anonymous wrote:I could see this being a thing that teens/tweens just think is absolutely hilarious, but it also sounds like they went entirely too far with it. You can parody your teacher’s manner of speaking or their assignments. You can’t call them pedophiles. I hope the teachers unions come down hard on this and advocate for hard rules on no phones in the classroom. It will protect themselves and the kids too. Such a no brainer but everyone wants to make it sound like the most difficult thing ever.

No, you CAN’T parody your teacher. That’s also not okay. I see how that’s not as serious as the TikTok issue, but it’s a slippery slope.

Teachers shouldn’t have to deal with any of this. Dangit. The job is already ridiculously hard without this. And stop expecting teachers to police phones. YOU are the parent. YOU police your child and YOU come down hard on them when they use the phone inappropriately. We can’t expect teachers to fix all of society on 60K and no sleep.

Of course you can parody a teacher. That's protected speech.

May be legal, but still not okay.

Parodying a teacher is absolutely fine. They're public figures from the perspective of the students. It's no different than you parodying a politician.

And now we know why teachers are fleeing.

No. It isn’t absolutely fine. Not at all. I don’t care if it’s legal. If I found out my child was mocking a teacher, I wouldn’t need the court system to penalize them. I’d be doing it myself. Harshly.

Ever watch late night TV? They're parodying public figures in their monologues/acts all the time.

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Teachers are not public figures.

Head of the local school board, maybe. Some random fourth grade teacher? No.

They are clearly public figures to kids in the community. Don't be ridiculous.

DP. This is a remarkably dim argument. I suppose you also believe that since every toddler considers their mom a major star, all moms are celebrities and therefore subject to the laws that impact celebrities. I know you don’t have a lot of brain cells to rub together but try to use the few you have.

Teachers took jobs that inherently put themselves in the public eye.

Lol no. Your two brains cells are struggling here.

How were they compelled to become teachers?

Several state courts have already ruled they're public figures. Some others have ruled they're public officials.

And others have ruled that teachers are not public figures. You don’t seem to be familiar with the breadth of case law here.

These PPs are insane. Try to show one case where a court ruled its legal to publicly defame a teacher with fabricated evidence of a crime that wasn't committed. They can't. "Public figure" doesn't mean open season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This has been going on for a while. An 8th grader made a MySpace page for my mom ( his teacher) about 15 years ago and said all sorts of horrible things about her. Kid wasn’t punished but had to take down the page. You all need to catch up.

Which, of course, caused your mom such permanent damage that forced her to live in van down by the river.

DP. Like I said a few pages ago, you can almost always see where the kids get it. The kids who do stuff like this very rarely have good parents.

It's a lot more nuance than that. Parents and children are operating under an environment where everyone is under assault from wealth and powerful tech companies world wide. It's akin to letting companies pour megatons of heroin into the aquifers and lakes and pipes, and then blaming parents for not properly filtering the water their kids come in contact with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This has been going on for a while. An 8th grader made a MySpace page for my mom ( his teacher) about 15 years ago and said all sorts of horrible things about her. Kid wasn’t punished but had to take down the page. You all need to catch up.

Which, of course, caused your mom such permanent damage that forced her to live in van down by the river.

DP. Like I said a few pages ago, you can almost always see where the kids get it. The kids who do stuff like this very rarely have good parents.

It's a lot more nuance than that. Parents and children are operating under an environment where everyone is under assault from wealth and powerful tech companies world wide. It's akin to letting companies pour megatons of heroin into the aquifers and lakes and pipes, and then blaming parents for not properly filtering the water their kids come in contact with.

I’m a teacher and a parent. I respect your point, but this environment doesn’t excuse parents from parenting. I’ve been carefully teaching my own children and my students how to navigate these influences.

I’m afraid that, for many, the nuance you address is out of sight. Some parents simply don’t care what their kids are doing or what their kids are exposed to. I’ve met these parents at conferences. They don’t even know the teenager they birthed, and it’s sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly I just cannot understand why parents don't step up and knock this garbage out. Why aren't they stopping their kids from doing this type of stuff? Enough with the they can't be there everywhere, all the time ... if you can't be there to police (yes, police) and educate your own children on common decency in society then DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN. Abortion is readily available as is birth control. Do the world a favor, either parent or do not have kids.

OK, b00mer.

Not a boomer or a teacher. Just an observer of the kids gone wild version 2024. Parents have got to step it up.

I didn't think you were a current teacher. Your lack of understanding of kids, parenting, and the Internet clearly puts you beyond working age.

DP and a teacher.

I’m in total agreement with PP. Parents need to step up and demand better behavior from their kids.

I’ve been at this a while now. Behaviors are out of control. I used to feel I had partnerships with parents. Now when I call parents, I brace myself for the personal attack. If I’m calling with a student concern, I am often blamed for whatever it is.

What did you expect when you kept schools closed for 18 months?

My school closed for about a month and then we reopened. I taught in person for the majority of the Covid era, also offering Zoom instruction and office hours for kids who couldn’t come in. Yes, it was twice the work for the same pay. You’re welcome.

And even if I hadn’t, teachers were not the ones who closed schools and pushed virtual instruction. Teachers don’t have that kind of power. So if you (all this time later) still feel the need to gripe about this, at least send your complaints to the people who actually made the decisions.

Why are you posting in a DMV forum when you don't live or work in the DMV? It doesn't sound like you're in the US at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could see this being a thing that teens/tweens just think is absolutely hilarious, but it also sounds like they went entirely too far with it. You can parody your teacher’s manner of speaking or their assignments. You can’t call them pedophiles. I hope the teachers unions come down hard on this and advocate for hard rules on no phones in the classroom. It will protect themselves and the kids too. Such a no brainer but everyone wants to make it sound like the most difficult thing ever.

No, you CAN’T parody your teacher. That’s also not okay. I see how that’s not as serious as the TikTok issue, but it’s a slippery slope.

Teachers shouldn’t have to deal with any of this. Dangit. The job is already ridiculously hard without this. And stop expecting teachers to police phones. YOU are the parent. YOU police your child and YOU come down hard on them when they use the phone inappropriately. We can’t expect teachers to fix all of society on 60K and no sleep.

Of course you can parody a teacher. That's protected speech.

May be legal, but still not okay.

Parodying a teacher is absolutely fine. They're public figures from the perspective of the students. It's no different than you parodying a politician.

And now we know why teachers are fleeing.

No. It isn’t absolutely fine. Not at all. I don’t care if it’s legal. If I found out my child was mocking a teacher, I wouldn’t need the court system to penalize them. I’d be doing it myself. Harshly.

Ever watch late night TV? They're parodying public figures in their monologues/acts all the time.

.


Teachers are not public figures.

Head of the local school board, maybe. Some random fourth grade teacher? No.

They are clearly public figures to kids in the community. Don't be ridiculous.

DP. This is a remarkably dim argument. I suppose you also believe that since every toddler considers their mom a major star, all moms are celebrities and therefore subject to the laws that impact celebrities. I know you don’t have a lot of brain cells to rub together but try to use the few you have.

Teachers took jobs that inherently put themselves in the public eye.

Lol no. Your two brains cells are struggling here.

How were they compelled to become teachers?

Several state courts have already ruled they're public figures. Some others have ruled they're public officials.

And others have ruled that teachers are not public figures. You don’t seem to be familiar with the breadth of case law here.

These PPs are insane. Try to show one case where a court ruled its legal to publicly defame a teacher with fabricated evidence of a crime that wasn't committed. They can't. "Public figure" doesn't mean open season.

Look at the context of the earlier posts. Public figures came up in the context of parodies. Some posters claimed you couldn't parody teachers. That's different than defamation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This has been going on for a while. An 8th grader made a MySpace page for my mom ( his teacher) about 15 years ago and said all sorts of horrible things about her. Kid wasn’t punished but had to take down the page. You all need to catch up.

Which, of course, caused your mom such permanent damage that forced her to live in van down by the river.

The disrespect to teachers is just astonishing.

The whining in this thread is astonishing. i get that you regret your decision to become a teacher, but that doesn't mean you can make up laws to protect your delicate feelings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This has been going on for a while. An 8th grader made a MySpace page for my mom ( his teacher) about 15 years ago and said all sorts of horrible things about her. Kid wasn’t punished but had to take down the page. You all need to catch up.

Which, of course, caused your mom such permanent damage that forced her to live in van down by the river.

DP. Like I said a few pages ago, you can almost always see where the kids get it. The kids who do stuff like this very rarely have good parents.

It's a lot more nuance than that. Parents and children are operating under an environment where everyone is under assault from wealth and powerful tech companies world wide. It's akin to letting companies pour megatons of heroin into the aquifers and lakes and pipes, and then blaming parents for not properly filtering the water their kids come in contact with.

I’m a teacher and a parent. I respect your point, but this environment doesn’t excuse parents from parenting. I’ve been carefully teaching my own children and my students how to navigate these influences.

I’m afraid that, for many, the nuance you address is out of sight. Some parents simply don’t care what their kids are doing or what their kids are exposed to. I’ve met these parents at conferences. They don’t even know the teenager they birthed, and it’s sad.

Almost like people act different ways around different people and in different environments? Shocking.