WOW, if there is height/athleticism in your family, have your kid play football

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Anonymous wrote:So surprised people are so skeptical. It really is happening. Son’s friend played travel soccer for years as goalie and field player, rec basketball (has been asked to try out by many club basketball teams), summer swim team, and other rec sports. He had always been very tall, built, and is fast. Always excelled in sports.

He started playing in football for the first time in hs. He was over 6 foot as a freshman and has great foot skills from soccer. Started playing varsity football as a freshman. This was right after COVID so not sure how that affected how many varsity spots. He is being recruited now by top schools. He is smart and taking the mainly the most rigorous path but not perfect straight A’s. He is 6’4”. He is absolutely being recruited by Ivy League football teams and other top universities as a junior.

Yeah, here is the diff:

Your son’s friend excels at sports. You know of ONE person like this.

OP:

1. Knows of kidS like this from two diff schools.

2. Some Getting multiple offers.

3. Who play football “well enough (nothing spectacular).

This 100% is not happening. No school at this level is taking kids who play well enough. but they're tall and athletic)

4. OP says these “elite universities are THRILLED to take these kids because they can do the academic work and fill a spot on their football roster.”

No, they are not thrilled. My kid is recruiting now. This is not how it works at any of these schools. Not one…

OP is lying. I am more than 100% certain.

No idea why you think you are 100% certain because it is happening. I personally know one player who is not good enough for power house college football teams but absolutely is getting recruited for Ivy League teams. While I personally don't know of others I have heard of plenty of others. A kid from Sidwell- Dylan Price. Played club basketball for years in 1-8th grades then football at Sidwell. Is now at Harvard. By 11th grade was getting offers to Ivy League schools.

OP isn't lying. It happens. These are kids as OP puts in the title height PLUS athleticism. They quickly pick up football because they have the build and athleticism. It helps to be a full paying student. There are plenty of highly paid professionals who played college football and can pay for their sons to play in the Ivy League. They realize there is too much risk starting football young when you can develop athleticism playing other sports then enter high school and play football. Then there are others whose mothers and/or fathers played other sports in high school.

So you know one kid. Just looked him up and looks like he has yet to play in a football game for Harvard despite being there for two years. Perhaps he got in for reasons other than football.

Uh, no. Trust me.

Both your examples are URM at elite private schools, these kids would be in demand at Ivies even without athletics.

No, URMs (who are not football players) at elite private schools are not getting in to HYP with mediocre grades. Their race may give them a 0.1 break on required GOA but they're not getting in with a 3.5--mainly because they have URM classmates with higher GPAs who will take the spots. there are plenty of super smart URMs at these schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay for you skeptics. Here is another one from Jackson-Reed's student newspaper. Player was 6'4" in high school. Notice he got in to an Ivy League on October 10th, and had only been playing football 2 years.

"This month, Jackson-Reed recognizes football star Ian Wall’s recent athletic accomplishments. Although Wall has only been playing football for two years, his skills on the field speak for themselves. Wall tried out for the team during his junior year in hopes of being a kicker, but Minoso Rodgers, coach of the JR Varsity Football team, saw potential for him as a linebacker.
Wall attended Janney Elementary and then Alice Deal Middle. Growing up, he played soccer and lacrosse. When asked how his teammates and coaches would describe him, Wall replied, “hardworking, and a leader.”

Recruitment is a main focus of senior athletes. Wall has been offered spots at multiple different high-merit schools such as Georgetown University, Davidson College, and Lafayette University. However, on October 10th Wall announced his commitment to Cornell University."

That’s a weird one, the other three schools mentioned barely have competitive football teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay for you skeptics. Here is another one from Jackson-Reed's student newspaper. Player was 6'4" in high school. Notice he got in to an Ivy League on October 10th, and had only been playing football 2 years.

"This month, Jackson-Reed recognizes football star Ian Wall’s recent athletic accomplishments. Although Wall has only been playing football for two years, his skills on the field speak for themselves. Wall tried out for the team during his junior year in hopes of being a kicker, but Minoso Rodgers, coach of the JR Varsity Football team, saw potential for him as a linebacker.
Wall attended Janney Elementary and then Alice Deal Middle. Growing up, he played soccer and lacrosse. When asked how his teammates and coaches would describe him, Wall replied, “hardworking, and a leader.”

Recruitment is a main focus of senior athletes. Wall has been offered spots at multiple different high-merit schools such as Georgetown University, Davidson College, and Lafayette University. However, on October 10th Wall announced his commitment to Cornell University."

I don't think Wall even played sophomore year. My recollection is that the "two years" were junior and senior year so when he was recruited he was in the middle of his second season.

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Anonymous wrote:So surprised people are so skeptical. It really is happening. Son’s friend played travel soccer for years as goalie and field player, rec basketball (has been asked to try out by many club basketball teams), summer swim team, and other rec sports. He had always been very tall, built, and is fast. Always excelled in sports.

He started playing in football for the first time in hs. He was over 6 foot as a freshman and has great foot skills from soccer. Started playing varsity football as a freshman. This was right after COVID so not sure how that affected how many varsity spots. He is being recruited now by top schools. He is smart and taking the mainly the most rigorous path but not perfect straight A’s. He is 6’4”. He is absolutely being recruited by Ivy League football teams and other top universities as a junior.

Yeah, here is the diff:

Your son’s friend excels at sports. You know of ONE person like this.

OP:

1. Knows of kidS like this from two diff schools.

2. Some Getting multiple offers.

3. Who play football “well enough (nothing spectacular).

This 100% is not happening. No school at this level is taking kids who play well enough. but they're tall and athletic)

4. OP says these “elite universities are THRILLED to take these kids because they can do the academic work and fill a spot on their football roster.”

No, they are not thrilled. My kid is recruiting now. This is not how it works at any of these schools. Not one…

OP is lying. I am more than 100% certain.

No idea why you think you are 100% certain because it is happening. I personally know one player who is not good enough for power house college football teams but absolutely is getting recruited for Ivy League teams. While I personally don't know of others I have heard of plenty of others. A kid from Sidwell- Dylan Price. Played club basketball for years in 1-8th grades then football at Sidwell. Is now at Harvard. By 11th grade was getting offers to Ivy League schools.

OP isn't lying. It happens. These are kids as OP puts in the title height PLUS athleticism. They quickly pick up football because they have the build and athleticism. It helps to be a full paying student. There are plenty of highly paid professionals who played college football and can pay for their sons to play in the Ivy League. They realize there is too much risk starting football young when you can develop athleticism playing other sports then enter high school and play football. Then there are others whose mothers and/or fathers played other sports in high school.

So you know one kid. Just looked him up and looks like he has yet to play in a football game for Harvard despite being there for two years. Perhaps he got in for reasons other than football.

Uh, no. Trust me.

Both your examples are URM at elite private schools, these kids would be in demand at Ivies even without athletics.

No, URMs (who are not football players) at elite private schools are not getting in to HYP with mediocre grades. Their race may give them a 0.1 break on required GOA but they're not getting in with a 3.5--mainly because they have URM classmates with higher GPAs who will take the spots. there are plenty of super smart URMs at these schools.

Ok we differ on how hooked they are without athletics but I am one hundred percent positive it is more than a .1 break.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay for you skeptics. Here is another one from Jackson-Reed's student newspaper. Player was 6'4" in high school. Notice he got in to an Ivy League on October 10th, and had only been playing football 2 years.

"This month, Jackson-Reed recognizes football star Ian Wall’s recent athletic accomplishments. Although Wall has only been playing football for two years, his skills on the field speak for themselves. Wall tried out for the team during his junior year in hopes of being a kicker, but Minoso Rodgers, coach of the JR Varsity Football team, saw potential for him as a linebacker.
Wall attended Janney Elementary and then Alice Deal Middle. Growing up, he played soccer and lacrosse. When asked how his teammates and coaches would describe him, Wall replied, “hardworking, and a leader.”

Recruitment is a main focus of senior athletes. Wall has been offered spots at multiple different high-merit schools such as Georgetown University, Davidson College, and Lafayette University. However, on October 10th Wall announced his commitment to Cornell University."

I don't think Wall even played sophomore year. My recollection is that the "two years" were junior and senior year so when he was recruited he was in the middle of his second season.

Ooops. Article actually confirms this. Sorry. He was recruited to Cornell after one season of football (junior year).

He was 6'4" and a good student. played 10 football games and was doing the tour of the Ivy football programs the following summer.

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Anonymous wrote:So surprised people are so skeptical. It really is happening. Son’s friend played travel soccer for years as goalie and field player, rec basketball (has been asked to try out by many club basketball teams), summer swim team, and other rec sports. He had always been very tall, built, and is fast. Always excelled in sports.

He started playing in football for the first time in hs. He was over 6 foot as a freshman and has great foot skills from soccer. Started playing varsity football as a freshman. This was right after COVID so not sure how that affected how many varsity spots. He is being recruited now by top schools. He is smart and taking the mainly the most rigorous path but not perfect straight A’s. He is 6’4”. He is absolutely being recruited by Ivy League football teams and other top universities as a junior.

Yeah, here is the diff:

Your son’s friend excels at sports. You know of ONE person like this.

OP:

1. Knows of kidS like this from two diff schools.

2. Some Getting multiple offers.

3. Who play football “well enough (nothing spectacular).

This 100% is not happening. No school at this level is taking kids who play well enough. but they're tall and athletic)

4. OP says these “elite universities are THRILLED to take these kids because they can do the academic work and fill a spot on their football roster.”

No, they are not thrilled. My kid is recruiting now. This is not how it works at any of these schools. Not one…

OP is lying. I am more than 100% certain.

No idea why you think you are 100% certain because it is happening. I personally know one player who is not good enough for power house college football teams but absolutely is getting recruited for Ivy League teams. While I personally don't know of others I have heard of plenty of others. A kid from Sidwell- Dylan Price. Played club basketball for years in 1-8th grades then football at Sidwell. Is now at Harvard. By 11th grade was getting offers to Ivy League schools.

OP isn't lying. It happens. These are kids as OP puts in the title height PLUS athleticism. They quickly pick up football because they have the build and athleticism. It helps to be a full paying student. There are plenty of highly paid professionals who played college football and can pay for their sons to play in the Ivy League. They realize there is too much risk starting football young when you can develop athleticism playing other sports then enter high school and play football. Then there are others whose mothers and/or fathers played other sports in high school.

So you know one kid. Just looked him up and looks like he has yet to play in a football game for Harvard despite being there for two years. Perhaps he got in for reasons other than football.

Uh, no. Trust me.

Both your examples are URM at elite private schools, these kids would be in demand at Ivies even without athletics.

No, URMs (who are not football players) at elite private schools are not getting in to HYP with mediocre grades. Their race may give them a 0.1 break on required GOA but they're not getting in with a 3.5--mainly because they have URM classmates with higher GPAs who will take the spots. there are plenty of super smart URMs at these schools.

Ok we differ on how hooked they are without athletics but I am one hundred percent positive it is more than a .1 break.

Ok, maybe a 0.2 break. But Harvard isn't taking a 3.5 black kid from Sidwell just because he's black. if for no other reason than there are black kids at Sidwell with much higher GPAs.

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Easier said than done.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay for you skeptics. Here is another one from Jackson-Reed's student newspaper. Player was 6'4" in high school. Notice he got in to an Ivy League on October 10th, and had only been playing football 2 years.

"This month, Jackson-Reed recognizes football star Ian Wall’s recent athletic accomplishments. Although Wall has only been playing football for two years, his skills on the field speak for themselves. Wall tried out for the team during his junior year in hopes of being a kicker, but Minoso Rodgers, coach of the JR Varsity Football team, saw potential for him as a linebacker.
Wall attended Janney Elementary and then Alice Deal Middle. Growing up, he played soccer and lacrosse. When asked how his teammates and coaches would describe him, Wall replied, “hardworking, and a leader.”

Recruitment is a main focus of senior athletes. Wall has been offered spots at multiple different high-merit schools such as Georgetown University, Davidson College, and Lafayette University. However, on October 10th Wall announced his commitment to Cornell University."

I don't think Wall even played sophomore year. My recollection is that the "two years" were junior and senior year so when he was recruited he was in the middle of his second season.

Ooops. Article actually confirms this. Sorry. He was recruited to Cornell after one season of football (junior year).

He was 6'4" and a good student. played 10 football games and was doing the tour of the Ivy football programs the following summer.

And he got the least desirable one and some academic schools with low level football teams. None of these schools are remotely similar in football to the P5 teams op listed.

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Anonymous wrote:So surprised people are so skeptical. It really is happening. Son’s friend played travel soccer for years as goalie and field player, rec basketball (has been asked to try out by many club basketball teams), summer swim team, and other rec sports. He had always been very tall, built, and is fast. Always excelled in sports.

He started playing in football for the first time in hs. He was over 6 foot as a freshman and has great foot skills from soccer. Started playing varsity football as a freshman. This was right after COVID so not sure how that affected how many varsity spots. He is being recruited now by top schools. He is smart and taking the mainly the most rigorous path but not perfect straight A’s. He is 6’4”. He is absolutely being recruited by Ivy League football teams and other top universities as a junior.

Yeah, here is the diff:

Your son’s friend excels at sports. You know of ONE person like this.

OP:

1. Knows of kidS like this from two diff schools.

2. Some Getting multiple offers.

3. Who play football “well enough (nothing spectacular).

This 100% is not happening. No school at this level is taking kids who play well enough. but they're tall and athletic)

4. OP says these “elite universities are THRILLED to take these kids because they can do the academic work and fill a spot on their football roster.”

No, they are not thrilled. My kid is recruiting now. This is not how it works at any of these schools. Not one…

OP is lying. I am more than 100% certain.

Ivy football is garbage. They'll take anyone with half a brain that can make a tackle.

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Anonymous wrote:No concussion for my kids, thanks, OP. I'd rather pay full price for a less reputable university than have my kids play football.

Kids get concussions from all sorts of activities. I know a kid who got a really bad one sitting at a desk.

One of my kids played football...never had a concussion, never even had a post game headache (and no, he wasn't a bench warmer or kicker)

I know of at least 4 kids who've had concussions while playing football (and 1 playing soccer). Not my kid.

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Anonymous wrote:End athletic recruitment in US Colleges.

Agree!

Says the short kid in the back.

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Op says this like it’s a wide open side door into an elite college. Something like 3% of high school football players make a D1 roster. If that’s your strategy to get in, you’re probably better off just sticking to the classroom stuff to go in the front door.

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Anonymous wrote:Either your kid goes to a football academy or that didn't happen. If your kid does go to a school where the whole team gets recruited, the odds are very good that the high school coach also recruited

OP here. No, he does not. It's a independent prep school.
Not making this up.

In several cases, these kids have not even played a lot of football. One is not even a starter. One is primarily a track and field athlete. What they are is super athletic and tall/big. In one case that I know well, the coach has basically said: "i know you can do the work at this university and pay the bill and we we can teach you the football piece."
It makes you realize how hard it is to fill the football rosters at some schools (Ivy and similar) both with kids who can do the academic work. It's been wild to see. These kids are completely middle-of-the-pack academically at this tough high school.

yeah, that didn't happen. There are football factory schools (including very academically respected independent schools) that send loads of kids to ivies, but those kids are smart and good football players.

Read my post. We're saying the same thing.
A 3.5 is middle-of-the-pack at this tough school. These kid aren't dumb. That's the point of my post. The coaches know they can do the academic work. They're certainly not the top 20% in the class or the ones taking the top rigor classes but they will completely be able to do the Ivy level work well. And they're athletic enough to play the football.

If they're working hard both in the classroom and on the field, at a very rigorous school, then please, tell me, why don't they deserve to go to a good school as much as your one-dimensional kid? The difference between a 3.5 and 4.0 at St. Albans just describes the difference between choices and well-balanced kids vs. narrow strivers. Why would the latter continue more to a community? Let me answer that: they don't.

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My eldest got two non sport related serious concussions. Consequences were devastating

Current studious 8th grader tracking to clock in at 6’5”, fit and strong. I’m not giving him a helmet. I’m giving him an oar. It’s a more competitive path, and he might not get recruited, but his head will be safe.

My two older children never played competitive sports. I didn’t resent the recruits, but can understand why people want athletic recruitment removed from admissions. Until that happens, #3 can row his guts out. He started this year and loves it.

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Anonymous wrote:Op says this like it’s a wide open side door into an elite college. Something like 3% of high school football players make a D1 roster. If that’s your strategy to get in, you’re probably better off just sticking to the classroom stuff to go in the front door.

This. So stupid people are saying I know someone who did this! Of course this happens: on occasion and for amazing athletes.NO ONE is getting in like this without being a stellar athlete AND OP is saying she knows several like this. She does not.