Transfer schools for Creative writing and History

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Anonymous wrote:I do know that CMC is great for study of econ & government, but am surprised and suspicious of CMC's website claiming 16 history profs for a school of just 1,240 students. How many CMC students graduate each year with a degree in history ?

From their factbook, it looks like 16 or so, which is pretty substantial when half the class is taken by econ. They likely need to provide more professors for the consortium and to beat the resources over at Pomona.

A lot of LACs exaggerate faculty size by listing many who are inactive at that school. Most recent example is a small LAC in Maine which lost almost all of its econ dept unexpectedly. Go to the website and over a dozen econ profs are listed even though they were/are no longer teaching there.

CMC is an outstanding school & does not need to exaggerate. 16 history profs for a school of about 1,250 students is hard to believe. How many students graduate with a degree in history from CMC each year ?

I'll answer my own question. In 2023, 16 students graduated with a degree in history from CMC, while in 2022 the number was just 12 students.

https://CMC.edu/institutional-research/factbook/majors-graduates

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I do know that CMC is great for study of econ & government, but am surprised and suspicious of CMC's website claiming 16 history profs for a school of just 1,240 students. How many CMC students graduate each year with a degree in history ?

From their factbook, it looks like 16 or so, which is pretty substantial when half the class is taken by econ. They likely need to provide more professors for the consortium and to beat the resources over at Pomona.

A lot of LACs exaggerate faculty size by listing many who are inactive at that school. Most recent example is a small LAC in Maine which lost almost all of its econ dept unexpectedly. Go to the website and over a dozen econ profs are listed even though they were/are no longer teaching there.

CMC is an outstanding school & does not need to exaggerate. 16 history profs for a school of about 1,250 students is hard to believe. How many students graduate with a degree in history from CMC each year ?

I'll answer my own question. In 2023, 16 students graduated with a degree in history from CMC, while in 2022 the number was just 12 students.

https://CMC.edu/institutional-research/factbook/majors-graduates

Sounds like students there have a lot of support if that few graduates are majoring with that many faculty. OP should take notes!

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I do know that CMC is great for study of econ & government, but am surprised and suspicious of CMC's website claiming 16 history profs for a school of just 1,240 students. How many CMC students graduate each year with a degree in history ?

From their factbook, it looks like 16 or so, which is pretty substantial when half the class is taken by econ. They likely need to provide more professors for the consortium and to beat the resources over at Pomona.

A lot of LACs exaggerate faculty size by listing many who are inactive at that school. Most recent example is a small LAC in Maine which lost almost all of its econ dept unexpectedly. Go to the website and over a dozen econ profs are listed even though they were/are no longer teaching there.

CMC is an outstanding school & does not need to exaggerate. 16 history profs for a school of about 1,250 students is hard to believe. How many students graduate with a degree in history from CMC each year ?

I'll answer my own question. In 2023, 16 students graduated with a degree in history from CMC, while in 2022 the number was just 12 students.

https://CMC.edu/institutional-research/factbook/majors-graduates

Sounds like students there have a lot of support if that few graduates are majoring with that many faculty. OP should take notes!

While CMC is a great school, I remain skeptical that even 14 of the listed 16 history profs offer courses each term. Maybe the courses offered cross departmental lines such as "the history of economics", etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do know that CMC is great for study of econ & government, but am surprised and suspicious of CMC's website claiming 16 history profs for a school of just 1,240 students. How many CMC students graduate each year with a degree in history ?

From their factbook, it looks like 16 or so, which is pretty substantial when half the class is taken by econ. They likely need to provide more professors for the consortium and to beat the resources over at Pomona.

A lot of LACs exaggerate faculty size by listing many who are inactive at that school. Most recent example is a small LAC in Maine which lost almost all of its econ dept unexpectedly. Go to the website and over a dozen econ profs are listed even though they were/are no longer teaching there.

CMC is an outstanding school & does not need to exaggerate. 16 history profs for a school of about 1,250 students is hard to believe. How many students graduate with a degree in history from CMC each year ?

I'll answer my own question. In 2023, 16 students graduated with a degree in history from CMC, while in 2022 the number was just 12 students.

https://CMC.edu/institutional-research/factbook/majors-graduates

Sounds like students there have a lot of support if that few graduates are majoring with that many faculty. OP should take notes!

While CMC is a great school, I remain skeptical that even 14 of the listed 16 history profs offer courses each term. Maybe the courses offered cross departmental lines such as "the history of economics", etc.

No need to speculate, you can just check
https://hyperschedule.io/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do know that CMC is great for study of econ & government, but am surprised and suspicious of CMC's website claiming 16 history profs for a school of just 1,240 students. How many CMC students graduate each year with a degree in history ?

From their factbook, it looks like 16 or so, which is pretty substantial when half the class is taken by econ. They likely need to provide more professors for the consortium and to beat the resources over at Pomona.

A lot of LACs exaggerate faculty size by listing many who are inactive at that school. Most recent example is a small LAC in Maine which lost almost all of its econ dept unexpectedly. Go to the website and over a dozen econ profs are listed even though they were/are no longer teaching there.

CMC is an outstanding school & does not need to exaggerate. 16 history profs for a school of about 1,250 students is hard to believe. How many students graduate with a degree in history from CMC each year ?

I'll answer my own question. In 2023, 16 students graduated with a degree in history from CMC, while in 2022 the number was just 12 students.

https://CMC.edu/institutional-research/factbook/majors-graduates

Sounds like students there have a lot of support if that few graduates are majoring with that many faculty. OP should take notes!

While CMC is a great school, I remain skeptical that even 14 of the listed 16 history profs offer courses each term. Maybe the courses offered cross departmental lines such as "the history of economics", etc.

No need to speculate, you can just check
https://hyperschedule.io/

Link does not work.

I tried earlier, but CMC website indicated that one needs permission or authorization to view the current course offerings.

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Anonymous wrote:I do know that CMC is great for study of econ & government, but am surprised and suspicious of CMC's website claiming 16 history profs for a school of just 1,240 students. How many CMC students graduate each year with a degree in history ?

From their factbook, it looks like 16 or so, which is pretty substantial when half the class is taken by econ. They likely need to provide more professors for the consortium and to beat the resources over at Pomona.

A lot of LACs exaggerate faculty size by listing many who are inactive at that school. Most recent example is a small LAC in Maine which lost almost all of its econ dept unexpectedly. Go to the website and over a dozen econ profs are listed even though they were/are no longer teaching there.

CMC is an outstanding school & does not need to exaggerate. 16 history profs for a school of about 1,250 students is hard to believe. How many students graduate with a degree in history from CMC each year ?

I'll answer my own question. In 2023, 16 students graduated with a degree in history from CMC, while in 2022 the number was just 12 students.

https://CMC.edu/institutional-research/factbook/majors-graduates

Sounds like students there have a lot of support if that few graduates are majoring with that many faculty. OP should take notes!

While CMC is a great school, I remain skeptical that even 14 of the listed 16 history profs offer courses each term. Maybe the courses offered cross departmental lines such as "the history of economics", etc.

No need to speculate, you can just check
https://hyperschedule.io/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://hyperschedule.io/

Link does not work.

I tried earlier, but CMC website indicated that one needs permission or authorization to view the current course offerings.

This is a public website. Hyperschedule is the shared Claremont college course list without having to go into the Catalog. You can use it without email.

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I'm wondering if OP's daughter has a clear idea of what she wants. Is there really that much difference between Kenyon, Pomona, and Wellesley? Seems like they'd provide similar experiences.

[Anonymous]

I’m a bit confused on her geographic preferences but I’d explore Sarah Lawrence College. Very strong writing program and proximity to NYC.

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Has she thought about UMiami?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a bit confused on her geographic preferences but I’d explore Sarah Lawrence College. Very strong writing program and proximity to NYC.

Agree that it has a strong writing program but I'd advise OP and her daughter to visit. Sarah Lawrence is great on paper and my DC had a friend who was very happy there, but visiting took it off DC's list entirely.

Yes, it's close to NYC but you hear that as a constant refrain -- "We're SO close to the city!" is used as a big selling point but the friend said students don't actually get into the city as much as people think. The campus itself felt like a residential prep high school. I do note that we had a good visit there, they put on excellent student and faculty panels, gave multiple specialized tours, were very attentive to prospective students, etc. so no diss on the college for that; it just feels even more insular than Kenyon, despite its vaunted "so near the city!" location.

And though this was a few years ago now, Sarah Lawrence administration completely defaulted on its oversight of student housing and did nothing when a parasitic parent moved in with his daughter and her housemates (in a college-owned house), and the results were horrific. Subject of a lot of coverage, a huge trial, and destroyed some young lives. Look up the name Larry Ray. As far as I've read, to this day, the college takes zero responsibility, even though other parents tried to get it to focus on the issue before things blew up. I know, old news, but I'd like to hear that the college has changed its laissez-faire approach to parent concerns about, oh, random adults moving into college housing.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a bit confused on her geographic preferences but I’d explore Sarah Lawrence College. Very strong writing program and proximity to NYC.

Limited choice of majors there but nice variety of sex cults -- and you don't even have to leave the dorm.

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I thought Kenyon was know as the “writer’s college” with a prestigious literary magazine. Is that no longer the case?

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Part of it is me trying (and failing) to translate a moody teen. Kenyon purposely keeps a small numbers and class size to intro creative writing to effectively cap the majors, so all the amazing classes you'd want, you cannot get unless you can pierce through this cap. Her list currently has Uchicago, Pomona, Reed, Tufts, Davidson, Haverford, Bryn Mawr, and Macalester, which is pretty reasonable and most would solve her complaints.

Except a kid who is Kenyon material isn’t going to get into any of these except maybe Macalester.

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Part of it is me trying (and failing) to translate a moody teen. Kenyon purposely keeps a small numbers and class size to intro creative writing to effectively cap the majors, so all the amazing classes you'd want, you cannot get unless you can pierce through this cap. Her list currently has Uchicago, Pomona, Reed, Tufts, Davidson, Haverford, Bryn Mawr, and Macalester, which is pretty reasonable and most would solve her complaints.

Except a kid who is Kenyon material isn’t going to get into any of these except maybe Macalester.

I will add that she got into a few of the suggested schools the first time around. She chose Kenyon for the major, not because she had to settle for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought Kenyon was know as the “writer’s college” with a prestigious literary magazine. Is that no longer the case?

It is still that, but the school has enrollment issues and has made it a nightmare to get quality classes in creative writing. The Kenyon Review folks are sitting well in their cottage however.