If TJ has such smart kids, why so much cheating?

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Anonymous wrote:Some of very qualified TJ math students now and in the past have cheated on AMCs to make USAMO and USAJMO.They knew they were not the best but had to get in to MIT or Harvard somehow. What is alarming is the number of unethical girls who are cheating.

Why is this more alarming than unethical boys?

Previously cheating was predominantly boys. Girls weren't doing it in large numbers. Now they are right there doing it.

Source for that? When I was at TJ the only person who ever asked to copy my work was a girl.
-alumna

Is there any source or evidence to support OP’s claim of cheating at TJ?

If not, this whole thread should be deleted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They feel like imposters

You mean 9:07/9:54? Yes, they do seem like imposters. Annoying, offensive imposters.

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Anonymous wrote:Lack of morals, lack of integrity, lack of ethics.

Students have poor integrity.

What about administration and equity recruits? Aren't they under intense pressure to show the non-merit based TJ admissions is not a lost cause?

This has actually been good for the school environment. They don't want to flunk anyone out anymore so there is a lot of grade inflation. You basically get a B for effort, so the pressure to get good grades is diminished because it has gotten a lot easier to maintain a good GPA for everyone. To be fair, TJHSST was maybe the only school in the area with such strict grading practices. Once the kids don't have to worry about their GPA, they can focus on developing their personal academic interests.

Mount Vernon's inflated grading practice should be implemented not just at TJ but all FCPS schools. Equity for all!

I don't think anyone that isn't a delinquent gets below a B- in Great Neck.
When the schools went test optional, the parents started getting real pushy about grades and they started giving A's and B's to everyone.
The same is true in competitive school districts across the country.
The same is true in competitive colleges across the country.
Grade inflation is at a point where they might as well make everything pass/fail.

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Anonymous wrote:Lack of morals, lack of integrity, lack of ethics.

Students have poor integrity.

It doesn't look like students start that way, but it's the false premise upon which their admission offer is based. Students who lack proficiency in low level algebra 1 math are being thrust into an unusual level of rigor that their middle school does not sufficiently prepare them for. Qualified algebra 1 students can be admitted but that evaluation mechanism has been eliminated and replaced with a nonsensical essay. This places innocent students under pressure to perform, putting their integrity to the test.

No, your post is inaccurate and offensive. I don't know if you believe that nonsense that you keep posting or if you're purely trolling - but it's really obnoxious and you should stop.

+1. If it's the same IP posting all this nonsense and really flooding every thread with it, Jeff should ban. Turning every single thing into a referendum on the admissions changes gets old.

Same could be said of the poster that keeps posting that chart that he came up with.

[Anonymous]

Another resource on cheating at TJ, from TJ itself:
https://tjhsst.fcps.edu/resources/challenge-success-student-survey-executive-summary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cheating ratio among advanced students compared to underqualified students may be 1 to 150?

That’s not kind to call the kids who cheated on quant-q “under qualified”.

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TJ Parent again. There’s plenty of cheating at TJ. But I know people who were there in the 90s and there was a fair amount then, they say. Again, has nothing to do with admissions standards. Everything to do with too much parental pressure and not enough parental moral and ethical guidance.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ Parent again. There’s plenty of cheating at TJ. But I know people who were there in the 90s and there was a fair amount then, they say. Again, has nothing to do with admissions standards. Everything to do with too much parental pressure and not enough parental moral and ethical guidance.

+1. The reality gets lost in the noise on this forum.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ Parent again. There’s plenty of cheating at TJ. But I know people who were there in the 90s and there was a fair amount then, they say. Again, has nothing to do with admissions standards. Everything to do with too much parental pressure and not enough parental moral and ethical guidance.

It's not always the parents. The peer pressure can be rough. Remember that girl that pretended she got a dual offer from harbard AND stanford to attend both colleges, that wasn't just parental pressure.

All these kids are under extreme pressure to succeed at every stage, but at every stage they are facing a more and more competitive pool of peers.

A lot of kids that got into TJ even under the old system were in over their heads and they knew it.

That has only gotten worse under the new system but the principal is trying to make things easier so that the push for diversity doesn't look like a complete failure.

One of the things she can affect is grading policy. State schools in virginia seem to focus mostly on gpa and there might be an argument that diversity worked if the admit rate to UVA doesn't drop too much.

But we are almost certain to see SAT scores drop and admissions to selective OOS colleges will drop along with it.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ Parent again. There’s plenty of cheating at TJ. But I know people who were there in the 90s and there was a fair amount then, they say. Again, has nothing to do with admissions standards. Everything to do with too much parental pressure and not enough parental moral and ethical guidance.

It's not always the parents. The peer pressure can be rough. Remember that girl that pretended she got a dual offer from harbard AND stanford to attend both colleges, that wasn't just parental pressure.

All these kids are under extreme pressure to succeed at every stage, but at every stage they are facing a more and more competitive pool of peers.

A lot of kids that got into TJ even under the old system were in over their heads and they knew it.

That has only gotten worse under the new system but the principal is trying to make things easier so that the push for diversity doesn't look like a complete failure.

One of the things she can affect is grading policy. State schools in virginia seem to focus mostly on gpa and there might be an argument that diversity worked if the admit rate to UVA doesn't drop too much.

But we are almost certain to see SAT scores drop and admissions to selective OOS colleges will drop along with it.

The grading policy needs to ease up because of the universal policy to adopt TO during Covid for obvious reasons - but now the slow and inconsistent return to the normal of requiring SAT or ACT scores:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1208069.page

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Anonymous wrote:TJ Parent again. There’s plenty of cheating at TJ. But I know people who were there in the 90s and there was a fair amount then, they say. Again, has nothing to do with admissions standards. Everything to do with too much parental pressure and not enough parental moral and ethical guidance.

+1. The reality gets lost in the noise on this forum.

OP here: I never thought nor indicated that cheating was related to the lower admission standards and kids who are in bc of it.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ Parent again. There’s plenty of cheating at TJ. But I know people who were there in the 90s and there was a fair amount then, they say. Again, has nothing to do with admissions standards. Everything to do with too much parental pressure and not enough parental moral and ethical guidance.

+1. The reality gets lost in the noise on this forum.

OP here: I never thought nor indicated that cheating was related to the lower admission standards and kids who are in bc of it.

That doesn’t stop the RWNJ trolls.

[Anonymous]

DD is at TJ - She says cheating is rampant. Since there are different teachers / periods for the same subject, kids who take the test in an earlier period pass on the test questions/answers to ones taking later

My question tho - from what we know this is the case in most High schools, not just TJ.

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Cheating has gone up, with increased enrollment of lower level Algebra 1 students being forced to take on TJ rigor.

What is the source of this graph?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD is at TJ - She says cheating is rampant. Since there are different teachers / periods for the same subject, kids who take the test in an earlier period pass on the test questions/answers to ones taking later

My question tho - from what we know this is the case in most High schools, not just TJ.

I think cheating is probably the same among honors students at all schools.