BASIS charter expansion is up for public comment

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people who sent their kid to BASIS and seemingly had no idea what their kid was in for. The building is a prison with no fields. The crazy curriculum is openly shared. The lack of gym, etc., is obvious. Why would you have lotteried there in the first place? Were you dumb? Did you really not have a Plan B if you couldn't get into Latin? What kind of idiots are you people?


They're not effective teachers and can't produce a happy well-balanced successful kid to save their lives, but as a for-profit they know how to market to rubes—and taxpayer pick up the bill!


Found the WTA rep. Maybe move to North Korea--you would be happier there.

USNW&R ranks 11 BASIS schools in the top 100 in the United States out of nearly 25,000 schools, and a BASIS school is ranked #1 in the whole country (with TJ in Fairfax ranked #14). So, yeah, I think that the people running BASIS know a lot more than you than running a school network. But you certainly know how to run your mouth off.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/national-rankings


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Anonymous wrote:I am all for this, and if they do open I hope I can get my 3rd grader in from the lottery.

Genuine question to this group, especially those who oppose this. If I have an elementary-age kid who is very advanced, and is struggling with boredom at our DCPS school, where do you think I should send them?

I have asked around and don't get the sense that charter schools are any more advanced, so I haven't really bothered to go that route. It feels like maybe our only option is to move to a Wilson feeder, where it sounds like maybe the classes are a bit more advanced just due to the socio-economics of the students. But I'd love to not have to buy a $2 million house just to give my kid a little extra challenge in elementary school. A BASIS elementary feels like a great alternative, and it offers something new for EOTP families. Happy to be told I'm wrong though! Please do tell me what kind of options you'd recommend.


Honest response is to move to Fairfax. If you want to stay in DC and don't want to move to W3, then you need to supplement on your own.


Never happening. This is why I support a BASIS elementary school. I shouldn't have to move my entire family just to get a little extra challenge in upper elementary + middle schools. The city has great school options for early childhood through 2nd grade; and great high school options. There's a huge hole in the middle that needs to be filled. BASIS elementary would be just the start.


Do you hate your kid? If so, send them to BASIS elementary.

Signed,
Current BASIS parent


What’s bad about basis?
Signed,
Just enrolled off lottery.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am all for this, and if they do open I hope I can get my 3rd grader in from the lottery.

Genuine question to this group, especially those who oppose this. If I have an elementary-age kid who is very advanced, and is struggling with boredom at our DCPS school, where do you think I should send them?

I have asked around and don't get the sense that charter schools are any more advanced, so I haven't really bothered to go that route. It feels like maybe our only option is to move to a Wilson feeder, where it sounds like maybe the classes are a bit more advanced just due to the socio-economics of the students. But I'd love to not have to buy a $2 million house just to give my kid a little extra challenge in elementary school. A BASIS elementary feels like a great alternative, and it offers something new for EOTP families. Happy to be told I'm wrong though! Please do tell me what kind of options you'd recommend.


Honest response is to move to Fairfax. If you want to stay in DC and don't want to move to W3, then you need to supplement on your own.


Never happening. This is why I support a BASIS elementary school. I shouldn't have to move my entire family just to get a little extra challenge in upper elementary + middle schools. The city has great school options for early childhood through 2nd grade; and great high school options. There's a huge hole in the middle that needs to be filled. BASIS elementary would be just the start.


Do you hate your kid? If so, send them to BASIS elementary.

Signed,
Current BASIS parent


What’s bad about basis?
Signed,
Just enrolled off lottery.


Hopefully you already know if you lotteried for the school?
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Anonymous wrote:Above is right. When I switched my kid from BASIS to an Arlington public ms for 8th grade last year (my ex lives in VA) I realized that I'd been drinking the BASIS Kool-Aid for years. Kid wasn't considered advanced in Arlington, other than for science, although he'd always made 90s Club. In fact, his "intensified" (honors) humanities classes were tougher than any he'd taken at BASIS and he's able to study the language we speak at home at an advanced level in ms. He's also able to play in an advance band at school, so no more running around in search of appropriate language or music inputs.


I guess your kid wasn't advanced.

Next.

Different poster. If 90s Club isn't advanced, why are you pinning this on the kid? Oh I get it, poster above has touched a nerve. Feeling insecure about the supposedly super duper BASIS curriculum and instruction? You should be.


The kid shouldn't be pinned. The mom should be though. She posts this on every BASIS thread, changing the story slightly each time. Ultimately, she has revealed a lot about her poor parenting and it is a blessing for that poor child that her ex now has custody.


Pin whomever you want. I'm far from convinced that BASIS DC is offering rigor beyond what normal suburban middle schools in upscale suburbs deliver. Why do I get the feeling that you post on every BASIS thread slamming anybody who points out this inconvenient truth? Carry on.


And there are many who just want a similar level of rigor in a DC school and aren’t zoned to Deal. I don’t know why you think you are making some magical sort of revelation.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am all for this, and if they do open I hope I can get my 3rd grader in from the lottery.

Genuine question to this group, especially those who oppose this. If I have an elementary-age kid who is very advanced, and is struggling with boredom at our DCPS school, where do you think I should send them?

I have asked around and don't get the sense that charter schools are any more advanced, so I haven't really bothered to go that route. It feels like maybe our only option is to move to a Wilson feeder, where it sounds like maybe the classes are a bit more advanced just due to the socio-economics of the students. But I'd love to not have to buy a $2 million house just to give my kid a little extra challenge in elementary school. A BASIS elementary feels like a great alternative, and it offers something new for EOTP families. Happy to be told I'm wrong though! Please do tell me what kind of options you'd recommend.


Honest response is to move to Fairfax. If you want to stay in DC and don't want to move to W3, then you need to supplement on your own.


Never happening. This is why I support a BASIS elementary school. I shouldn't have to move my entire family just to get a little extra challenge in upper elementary + middle schools. The city has great school options for early childhood through 2nd grade; and great high school options. There's a huge hole in the middle that needs to be filled. BASIS elementary would be just the start.


Do you hate your kid? If so, send them to BASIS elementary.

Signed,
Current BASIS parent


What’s bad about basis?
Signed,
Just enrolled off lottery.


NP. Here are the pros and cons.

Pro: Your kid will learn things. You will not be worried that the school they attend is too easy.

Cons: The administration is truly awful. The facilities are truly awful. Some of the teachers are shockingly bad. Sometimes they get fired mid-year because they are so bad that the school can’t justify keeping them on and then they are replaced by a different bad teacher. The teachers who are great usually end up leaving to teach in DCPS, where they get more money and less administrative chaos. Discipline is punitive and your child will be disciplined for other children’s bad behavior. The stress level is high. If your child is doing poorly, everyone will know, because BASIS announces who is doing well three times a year. Parent and student concerns are dismissed.
Anonymous
Yowsa. That was a helpful response.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I’m curious why BASIS elementary will only offer Mandarin? It’s not an immersion program so a regular foreign language class could cover different languages. Also, would elementary students be able to continue learning Mandarin in middle school and not have to start from the beginning again as an 8th grader (as current students do now)?


Because Mandarin attracts pretentious people and BASIS is all about its own status.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people who sent their kid to BASIS and seemingly had no idea what their kid was in for. The building is a prison with no fields. The crazy curriculum is openly shared. The lack of gym, etc., is obvious. Why would you have lotteried there in the first place? Were you dumb? Did you really not have a Plan B if you couldn't get into Latin? What kind of idiots are you people?


They're not effective teachers and can't produce a happy well-balanced successful kid to save their lives, but as a for-profit they know how to market to rubes—and taxpayer pick up the bill!


Found the WTA rep. Maybe move to North Korea--you would be happier there.

USNW&R ranks 11 BASIS schools in the top 100 in the United States out of nearly 25,000 schools, and a BASIS school is ranked #1 in the whole country (with TJ in Fairfax ranked #14). So, yeah, I think that the people running BASIS know a lot more than you than running a school network. But you certainly know how to run your mouth off.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/national-rankings




Yes, it so super important to be at a school that makes great effort to contort its data score good rankings. Totally worth trading off teacher quality, facilities, administration competence, activities, and anything else a person might want
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people who sent their kid to BASIS and seemingly had no idea what their kid was in for. The building is a prison with no fields. The crazy curriculum is openly shared. The lack of gym, etc., is obvious. Why would you have lotteried there in the first place? Were you dumb? Did you really not have a Plan B if you couldn't get into Latin? What kind of idiots are you people?


They're not effective teachers and can't produce a happy well-balanced successful kid to save their lives, but as a for-profit they know how to market to rubes—and taxpayer pick up the bill!


Found the WTA rep. Maybe move to North Korea--you would be happier there.

USNW&R ranks 11 BASIS schools in the top 100 in the United States out of nearly 25,000 schools, and a BASIS school is ranked #1 in the whole country (with TJ in Fairfax ranked #14). So, yeah, I think that the people running BASIS know a lot more than you than running a school network. But you certainly know how to run your mouth off.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/national-rankings




DP. Couple things about BASIS in the rankings. All other BASIS schools are test-in, so that already makes their situation much different than all other schools except other test ins. But more importantly, BASIS structures their policies to affect their ranking. For example, US News gives a lot of weight to how many seniors have taken and passed at least one AP. BASIS does not allow their students to advance to senior year if they have not met this metric, so they always have 100/100, because they don’t allow kids to get to senior year if they don’t meet this.


Also, from my perspective, the people running *BASIS DC* are the problem. BASIS DC has actually dropped in the rankings year over year. They plummeted another 200 down this year and their PARCC scores have gotten worse. BASIS’s reaction to this was to cancel all electives for two weeks so they could do extensive test prep. This is the kind of thing that people are talking about when they say BASIS cares more about BASIS looking good than they do about student happiness/mental health/well-being.
Anonymous
I still haven't figured out if BASIS success is more about the education provided or the self-selection of parents who are willing to force their kids to put their noses to the grindstone academically. If it's the latter, you just have to throw your hands up at the entire show, because most of those kids will always succeed.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people who sent their kid to BASIS and seemingly had no idea what their kid was in for. The building is a prison with no fields. The crazy curriculum is openly shared. The lack of gym, etc., is obvious. Why would you have lotteried there in the first place? Were you dumb? Did you really not have a Plan B if you couldn't get into Latin? What kind of idiots are you people?


They're not effective teachers and can't produce a happy well-balanced successful kid to save their lives, but as a for-profit they know how to market to rubes—and taxpayer pick up the bill!


Found the WTA rep. Maybe move to North Korea--you would be happier there.

USNW&R ranks 11 BASIS schools in the top 100 in the United States out of nearly 25,000 schools, and a BASIS school is ranked #1 in the whole country (with TJ in Fairfax ranked #14). So, yeah, I think that the people running BASIS know a lot more than you than running a school network. But you certainly know how to run your mouth off.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/national-rankings




DP. Couple things about BASIS in the rankings. All other BASIS schools are test-in, so that already makes their situation much different than all other schools except other test ins. But more importantly, BASIS structures their policies to affect their ranking. For example, US News gives a lot of weight to how many seniors have taken and passed at least one AP. BASIS does not allow their students to advance to senior year if they have not met this metric, so they always have 100/100, because they don’t allow kids to get to senior year if they don’t meet this.


Also, from my perspective, the people running *BASIS DC* are the problem. BASIS DC has actually dropped in the rankings year over year. They plummeted another 200 down this year and their PARCC scores have gotten worse. BASIS’s reaction to this was to cancel all electives for two weeks so they could do extensive test prep. This is the kind of thing that people are talking about when they say BASIS cares more about BASIS looking good than they do about student happiness/mental health/well-being.



They cancelled electives for two weeks to do test prep? That’s insanity. My kids are in Upper NW schools and parents would be up in arms about that. Why is that allowed?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am all for this, and if they do open I hope I can get my 3rd grader in from the lottery.

Genuine question to this group, especially those who oppose this. If I have an elementary-age kid who is very advanced, and is struggling with boredom at our DCPS school, where do you think I should send them?

I have asked around and don't get the sense that charter schools are any more advanced, so I haven't really bothered to go that route. It feels like maybe our only option is to move to a Wilson feeder, where it sounds like maybe the classes are a bit more advanced just due to the socio-economics of the students. But I'd love to not have to buy a $2 million house just to give my kid a little extra challenge in elementary school. A BASIS elementary feels like a great alternative, and it offers something new for EOTP families. Happy to be told I'm wrong though! Please do tell me what kind of options you'd recommend.


Honest response is to move to Fairfax. If you want to stay in DC and don't want to move to W3, then you need to supplement on your own.


Never happening. This is why I support a BASIS elementary school. I shouldn't have to move my entire family just to get a little extra challenge in upper elementary + middle schools. The city has great school options for early childhood through 2nd grade; and great high school options. There's a huge hole in the middle that needs to be filled. BASIS elementary would be just the start.


Do you hate your kid? If so, send them to BASIS elementary.

Signed,
Current BASIS parent


What’s bad about basis?
Signed,
Just enrolled off lottery.


NP. Here are the pros and cons.

Pro: Your kid will learn things. You will not be worried that the school they attend is too easy.

Cons: The administration is truly awful. The facilities are truly awful. Some of the teachers are shockingly bad. Sometimes they get fired mid-year because they are so bad that the school can’t justify keeping them on and then they are replaced by a different bad teacher. The teachers who are great usually end up leaving to teach in DCPS, where they get more money and less administrative chaos. Discipline is punitive and your child will be disciplined for other children’s bad behavior. The stress level is high. If your child is doing poorly, everyone will know, because BASIS announces who is doing well three times a year. Parent and student concerns are dismissed.


Great post. No denying any of it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people who sent their kid to BASIS and seemingly had no idea what their kid was in for. The building is a prison with no fields. The crazy curriculum is openly shared. The lack of gym, etc., is obvious. Why would you have lotteried there in the first place? Were you dumb? Did you really not have a Plan B if you couldn't get into Latin? What kind of idiots are you people?


They're not effective teachers and can't produce a happy well-balanced successful kid to save their lives, but as a for-profit they know how to market to rubes—and taxpayer pick up the bill!


Found the WTA rep. Maybe move to North Korea--you would be happier there.

USNW&R ranks 11 BASIS schools in the top 100 in the United States out of nearly 25,000 schools, and a BASIS school is ranked #1 in the whole country (with TJ in Fairfax ranked #14). So, yeah, I think that the people running BASIS know a lot more than you than running a school network. But you certainly know how to run your mouth off.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/national-rankings




DP. Couple things about BASIS in the rankings. All other BASIS schools are test-in, so that already makes their situation much different than all other schools except other test ins. But more importantly, BASIS structures their policies to affect their ranking. For example, US News gives a lot of weight to how many seniors have taken and passed at least one AP. BASIS does not allow their students to advance to senior year if they have not met this metric, so they always have 100/100, because they don’t allow kids to get to senior year if they don’t meet this.


Also, from my perspective, the people running *BASIS DC* are the problem. BASIS DC has actually dropped in the rankings year over year. They plummeted another 200 down this year and their PARCC scores have gotten worse. BASIS’s reaction to this was to cancel all electives for two weeks so they could do extensive test prep. This is the kind of thing that people are talking about when they say BASIS cares more about BASIS looking good than they do about student happiness/mental health/well-being.


Thanks for hitting on these key points. What I've observed over the years is that more high-performing students leave after middle school as time goes by. The luster has slowly but surely come off the shiny BASIS academic success orb. The phenomenon is linked to changes in college admissions in the last five years or so, particularly how most colleges went test-optional during the pandemic and have stayed that way. The result is that the BASIS formula for impressive test scores doesn't carry the day in admissions the way it did before Covid. I don't think that this HoS was the right choice to steady the ship. Difficult decisions should be made, particularly how to keep sophomores and juniors from burning out on AP prep and to make better use of senior year. They aren't being made. Instead, the franchise seeks to distract us from long-running problems with the creation of a snazzy new elementary school.
Anonymous
I have no idea if I want to send my kid to Basis or not (they're still in early elementary).

But I'm genuinely asking...does anyone know why they're asking to start an elementary instead of a second middle/high school? I get that Basis wants to prepare students for its academic approach earlier than grade 5, but DC has a lot of strong elementary schools. There aren't nearly as many strong middle/high schools.

Aren't there more than enough interested families to fill a second Basis middle/high?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I have no idea if I want to send my kid to Basis or not (they're still in early elementary).

But I'm genuinely asking...does anyone know why they're asking to start an elementary instead of a second middle/high school? I get that Basis wants to prepare students for its academic approach earlier than grade 5, but DC has a lot of strong elementary schools. There aren't nearly as many strong middle/high schools.

Aren't there more than enough interested families to fill a second Basis middle/high?


It is part of the Basis model. Every other Basis school in the country has a K-4 program. So they are trying to remedy what they see as an anomaly within the Basis system, not respond to a demand inherent to DC.
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