What T20 school isn’t “grim” these days?

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What are those schools? I’ve heard Yale…

At least academically Harvard seems relaxed as well

Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Duke, Vanderbilt, etc

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Anonymous wrote:Brown, Rice, WashU, Vanderbilt, Yale, Emory. Also many LACs

Emory is not known for fun, nor is Rice. But if your kid is quirky, they will find their people there.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading the Princeton thread.
And Northwestern thread….depressing.

Which T20 schools aren’t “grim” or soulless?

Looking for semi- intellectual but still social and lively.
Small class sizes key.
Where you know your classmates……
Humanities major.

Most kids at Princeton and Northwestern are quite happy and thriving. If you're going to make decisions based on the outliers, you probably shouldn't be looking at T20 schools because they will all have kids who weren't happy about their experiences.

Almost 1/3 of kids at Princeton major in computer science and engineering; add biological sciences and econ to the mix and that’s just over 1/2 of all students. This disproportion is only growing with expansion of engineering etc. Not a good place for a humanities major.

Hopkins is fantastic for the humanities. You obviously know nothing about it.
Wouldn’t that make a great for humanities major? Really small class sizes, access to professors and a ton of resources going your way since the herd has moved in another direction?

Not any more than Johns Hopkins is good for humanities majors. Sometimes life of the mind types don’t want to be surrounded by preprofessional grinder types.

Hopkins is fantastic for the humanities. You obviously know nothing about it.

I know it very well, and I know some humanities departments are very good. I also know it is a terrible thing for humanities kids to be surrounded by students who are pre-med grinds. Undergraduate study is about the student experience. All top schools have good, well-resourced departments; it is not the academics that are at issue, but the campus climate created by an overwhelming majority of students with no shared intellectual interests.

As a Hopkins alum who was an international studies major, you don’t know what your are talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:That doesn’t take away from the fact that the Stanford campus is undeniably grim now.

My friends and I have clerked for judges who are instantly skeptical when encountering briefs with arguments relying on adjectives like very, undoubtedly, obviously, etc.

"Undeniably grim" is a red flag for your credibility, and so is claiming as "fact" something that's subjective.

Typical arrogant yet utterly clueless lawyer response. Ridiculous, and does nothing but give credence to the original assertion.

I’m sure you are about 50 years old and still talking about your clerkship as though it happened yesterday. Honestly it’s so sad how former clerks have nothing else going on in their lives so drop the fact of their clerkships in all conversations, with increasingly frantic desperation, scrabbling desperately for validation.

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These threads about wanting the prestige without the grind all are so funny (or sad, depending on mentality). Just pick one and move on.

This oversimplifies it. There are prestigious schools where the grind is worse than most jobs. There are other prestigious schools where the hardest part is getting in.

What are those schools? I’ve heard Yale…

DC is always underwater with work at Yale, and the expectations from professors and from the students themselves are high. But the environment is rich with stimulation, and the kids love it there. They have a good time too, without alcohol if that is not your thing.

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Every single Yale alum I have met, and there have been quite a few in my area of work, gushed about how much they loved being at Yale.

My kid was on a recent tour and most of the kids looked trans or emo. Very different than years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading the Princeton thread.
And Northwestern thread….depressing.

Which T20 schools aren’t “grim” or soulless?

Looking for semi- intellectual but still social and lively.
Small class sizes key.
Where you know your classmates……
Humanities major.

Most kids at Princeton and Northwestern are quite happy and thriving. If you're going to make decisions based on the outliers, you probably shouldn't be looking at T20 schools because they will all have kids who weren't happy about their experiences.

Almost 1/3 of kids at Princeton major in computer science and engineering; add biological sciences and econ to the mix and that’s just over 1/2 of all students. This disproportion is only growing with expansion of engineering etc. Not a good place for a humanities major.

Hopkins is fantastic for the humanities. You obviously know nothing about it.
Wouldn’t that make a great for humanities major? Really small class sizes, access to professors and a ton of resources going your way since the herd has moved in another direction?

Not any more than Johns Hopkins is good for humanities majors. Sometimes life of the mind types don’t want to be surrounded by preprofessional grinder types.

Hopkins is fantastic for the humanities. You obviously know nothing about it.

I know it very well, and I know some humanities departments are very good. I also know it is a terrible thing for humanities kids to be surrounded by students who are pre-med grinds. Undergraduate study is about the student experience. All top schools have good, well-resourced departments; it is not the academics that are at issue, but the campus climate created by an overwhelming majority of students with no shared intellectual interests.

As a Hopkins alum who was an international studies major, you don’t know what your are talking about.

+1. It is amazing how consistently silly and self-indulgent some posters here are.

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These threads about wanting the prestige without the grind all are so funny (or sad, depending on mentality). Just pick one and move on.

This oversimplifies it. There are prestigious schools where the grind is worse than most jobs. There are other prestigious schools where the hardest part is getting in.

What are those schools? I’ve heard Yale…

DC is always underwater with work at Yale, and the expectations from professors and from the students themselves are high. But the environment is rich with stimulation, and the kids love it there. They have a good time too, without alcohol if that is not your thing.

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Every single Yale alum I have met, and there have been quite a few in my area of work, gushed about how much they loved being at Yale.

My kid was on a recent tour and most of the kids looked trans or emo. Very different than years ago.

my kid is in her 3rd year there so i've spent a lot of time on campus, definitely disagree that "most" kids have any particular look at all. But as you may be aware it is nicknamed the "gay Ivy" so if that is problematic for someone they might be more comfortable elsewhere

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These threads about wanting the prestige without the grind all are so funny (or sad, depending on mentality). Just pick one and move on.

This oversimplifies it. There are prestigious schools where the grind is worse than most jobs. There are other prestigious schools where the hardest part is getting in.

What are those schools? I’ve heard Yale…

DC is always underwater with work at Yale, and the expectations from professors and from the students themselves are high. But the environment is rich with stimulation, and the kids love it there. They have a good time too, without alcohol if that is not your thing.

+1

Every single Yale alum I have met, and there have been quite a few in my area of work, gushed about how much they loved being at Yale.

My kid was on a recent tour and most of the kids looked trans or emo. Very different than years ago.

What? Are you talking about Yale students? I have been to Yale many times this past year and have not seen this at all.

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Anonymous wrote:That doesn’t take away from the fact that the Stanford campus is undeniably grim now.

My friends and I have clerked for judges who are instantly skeptical when encountering briefs with arguments relying on adjectives like very, undoubtedly, obviously, etc.

"Undeniably grim" is a red flag for your credibility, and so is claiming as "fact" something that's subjective.

Typical arrogant yet utterly clueless lawyer response. Ridiculous, and does nothing but give credence to the original assertion.

I’m sure you are about 50 years old and still talking about your clerkship as though it happened yesterday. Honestly it’s so sad how former clerks have nothing else going on in their lives so drop the fact of their clerkships in all conversations, with increasingly frantic desperation, scrabbling desperately for validation.

Typical dodge, which reinforces that the original assertion had no merit whatsoever.

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Anonymous wrote:

These threads about wanting the prestige without the grind all are so funny (or sad, depending on mentality). Just pick one and move on.

This oversimplifies it. There are prestigious schools where the grind is worse than most jobs. There are other prestigious schools where the hardest part is getting in.

What are those schools? I’ve heard Yale…

DC is always underwater with work at Yale, and the expectations from professors and from the students themselves are high. But the environment is rich with stimulation, and the kids love it there. They have a good time too, without alcohol if that is not your thing.

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Every single Yale alum I have met, and there have been quite a few in my area of work, gushed about how much they loved being at Yale.

My kid was on a recent tour and most of the kids looked trans or emo. Very different than years ago.

Most of the Yale students or most of the kids on the tour?

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Anonymous wrote:

These threads about wanting the prestige without the grind all are so funny (or sad, depending on mentality). Just pick one and move on.

This oversimplifies it. There are prestigious schools where the grind is worse than most jobs. There are other prestigious schools where the hardest part is getting in.

What are those schools? I’ve heard Yale…

DC is always underwater with work at Yale, and the expectations from professors and from the students themselves are high. But the environment is rich with stimulation, and the kids love it there. They have a good time too, without alcohol if that is not your thing.

+1

Every single Yale alum I have met, and there have been quite a few in my area of work, gushed about how much they loved being at Yale.

My kid was on a recent tour and most of the kids looked trans or emo. Very different than years ago.

What? Are you talking about Yale students? I have been to Yale many times this past year and have not seen this at all.

Maybe if you’re expecting the old 80s preppy look—chinos and button-downs and boat shoes—fashion from this century seems “emo.” Or “trans,” if not overtly gendered.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading the Princeton thread.
And Northwestern thread….depressing.

Which T20 schools aren’t “grim” or soulless?

Looking for semi- intellectual but still social and lively.
Small class sizes key.
Where you know your classmates……
Humanities major.

Most kids at Princeton and Northwestern are quite happy and thriving. If you're going to make decisions based on the outliers, you probably shouldn't be looking at T20 schools because they will all have kids who weren't happy about their experiences.

Almost 1/3 of kids at Princeton major in computer science and engineering; add biological sciences and econ to the mix and that’s just over 1/2 of all students. This disproportion is only growing with expansion of engineering etc. Not a good place for a humanities major.

Indeed.
Wouldn’t that make a great for humanities major? Really small class sizes, access to professors and a ton of resources going your way since the herd has moved in another direction?

This was my thought too....seems good for the humanities majors...

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Anonymous wrote:

These threads about wanting the prestige without the grind all are so funny (or sad, depending on mentality). Just pick one and move on.

This oversimplifies it. There are prestigious schools where the grind is worse than most jobs. There are other prestigious schools where the hardest part is getting in.

What are those schools? I’ve heard Yale…

DC is always underwater with work at Yale, and the expectations from professors and from the students themselves are high. But the environment is rich with stimulation, and the kids love it there. They have a good time too, without alcohol if that is not your thing.

+1

Every single Yale alum I have met, and there have been quite a few in my area of work, gushed about how much they loved being at Yale.

My kid was on a recent tour and most of the kids looked trans or emo. Very different than years ago.

What? Are you talking about Yale students? I have been to Yale many times this past year and have not seen this at all.

Right. Walking around the Yale campus, you’d think you’re at a tractor-pull in Arkansas.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

These threads about wanting the prestige without the grind all are so funny (or sad, depending on mentality). Just pick one and move on.

This oversimplifies it. There are prestigious schools where the grind is worse than most jobs. There are other prestigious schools where the hardest part is getting in.

What are those schools? I’ve heard Yale…

DC is always underwater with work at Yale, and the expectations from professors and from the students themselves are high. But the environment is rich with stimulation, and the kids love it there. They have a good time too, without alcohol if that is not your thing.

+1

Every single Yale alum I have met, and there have been quite a few in my area of work, gushed about how much they loved being at Yale.

My kid was on a recent tour and most of the kids looked trans or emo. Very different than years ago.

What? Are you talking about Yale students? I have been to Yale many times this past year and have not seen this at all.

Yes. There last month.