Schools with snob appeal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If we're talking historic old money/blue book WASPs, you can find your answer in this article from 1963, "Colleges of America's Upper Class" https://www.unz.com/print/SaturdayRev-1963nov16-00068/

It's Yale by a lot. Followed by Harvard, then Princeton. Then there's a sharp drop to everything else. For women, it's 7 sisters + junior colleges, more evenly mixed.

Summarizing here:

Colleges most commonly attended by the 1963 college-aged cohort:
Yale (171) > Harvard (123) > Princeton (76) >
Pennsylvania (44)> Trinity > Middlebury > Virginia> Stanford> Williams> Hobart/ North Carolina (tied)> Boston U.> Dartmouth

For women college students, also decreasing order/10+ students listed):
Smith> Vassar> Radcliffe> Wellesley> Wheaton> Bryn Mawr> Sarah Lawrence> 3 junior colleges (Bradford, Bennett, Briarcliff)> Hollins> Connecticut College> Mt. Holyoke> Wells

And for the alma maters of the men listed in the blue book:
Again, Yale (2234), Harvard close behind (1746), Princeton 3rd (1422)
Then there's a sharp drop:
Williams (325), and it goes down from there:
Columbia> Virginia> Cornell> Dartmouth> Amherst> M.I.T.> Trinity> Pennsylvania> Brown> Annapolis> West Point > N.Y.U.> California (Berkeley)> Georgetown> Colgate> North Carolina> Hamilton> Wesleyan

Notable is the drop-off in military colleges over the course of one generation. Also Virginia shows up for both dads and sons, above some ivies, confirming that PP was correct that Virginia, historically, did have beyond-regional appeal

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would not for a second put Brown on this list. I suspect the majority of Brown students are strongly attracted to the lack of required classes. That’s why it is so popular with Hollywood offspring who might not be actual Ivy material, but can get by with a bunch of easier classes. At a school with snob appeal, students wouldn’t be deterred by required classes, even if they included classical languages or ancient philosophy.

Brown, Dartmouth, USC and NYU are favorite destinations of kids of super wealthy Indians.

Super wealthy Indians are not the same as old money, think WASPs. OP did not clearly describe “snob appeal.” It’s possible she just meant wealthy or smart, but I think of snob appeal as something appealing to WASPs.

The super-wealthy Indians I know all go to Ascot and own hunting clothes. I think you have to understand that WASP culture hasn't been dominated by actual Wasps for quite some time. Also, a lot of super-wealthly Indians have a thousand-year caste system behind their fortunes: the very definition of old money.

The OG oppressors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If we're talking historic old money/blue book WASPs, you can find your answer in this article from 1963, "Colleges of America's Upper Class" https://www.unz.com/print/SaturdayRev-1963nov16-00068/

It's Yale by a lot. Followed by Harvard, then Princeton. Then there's a sharp drop to everything else. For women, it's 7 sisters + junior colleges, more evenly mixed.

Summarizing here:

Colleges most commonly attended by the 1963 college-aged cohort:
Yale (171) > Harvard (123) > Princeton (76) >
Pennsylvania (44)> Trinity > Middlebury > Virginia> Stanford> Williams> Hobart/ North Carolina (tied)> Boston U.> Dartmouth

For women college students, also decreasing order/10+ students listed):
Smith> Vassar> Radcliffe> Wellesley> Wheaton> Bryn Mawr> Sarah Lawrence> 3 junior colleges (Bradford, Bennett, Briarcliff)> Hollins> Connecticut College> Mt. Holyoke> Wells

And for the alma maters of the men listed in the blue book:
Again, Yale (2234), Harvard close behind (1746), Princeton 3rd (1422)
Then there's a sharp drop:
Williams (325), and it goes down from there:
Columbia> Virginia> Cornell> Dartmouth> Amherst> M.I.T.> Trinity> Pennsylvania> Brown> Annapolis> West Point > N.Y.U.> California (Berkeley)> Georgetown> Colgate> North Carolina> Hamilton> Wesleyan

Yep.I grew up in the new England old-money world. It stayed this way through the early 70s.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:HYP, Williams, UVA, Dartmouth

UVA????

No, sorry it doesn't belong in this group. Unlike the others on this list, UVA's snob appeal is regional. UVA does have snob appeal in Virginia. It does not have snob appeal in the Northeast (where I'm from and where I went to college). It's iffy in DC. Can't speak to the rest of the country but I would highly doubt it.

Based on PP’s “blue book” post above, you’d be wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Old Money schools will be the ones established for the longest time in the northeast or midatlantic. In chronological order:

Harvard
William & Mary
St John's College
Yale
U Penn
U Delaware
Princeton

All others are parvenus

Hey - aren’t you forgetting Rutgers?

Woot. Washington College and Washington & Jefferson must be T25 then

(Yes I know you were being sarcastic. I appreciate it. It was funny.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If we're talking historic old money/blue book WASPs, you can find your answer in this article from 1963, "Colleges of America's Upper Class" https://www.unz.com/print/SaturdayRev-1963nov16-00068/

It's Yale by a lot. Followed by Harvard, then Princeton. Then there's a sharp drop to everything else. For women, it's 7 sisters + junior colleges, more evenly mixed.

Summarizing here:

Colleges most commonly attended by the 1963 college-aged cohort:
Yale (171) > Harvard (123) > Princeton (76) >
Pennsylvania (44)> Trinity > Middlebury > Virginia> Stanford> Williams> Hobart/ North Carolina (tied)> Boston U.> Dartmouth

For women college students, also decreasing order/10+ students listed):
Smith> Vassar> Radcliffe> Wellesley> Wheaton> Bryn Mawr> Sarah Lawrence> 3 junior colleges (Bradford, Bennett, Briarcliff)> Hollins> Connecticut College> Mt. Holyoke> Wells

And for the alma maters of the men listed in the blue book:
Again, Yale (2234), Harvard close behind (1746), Princeton 3rd (1422)
Then there's a sharp drop:
Williams (325), and it goes down from there:
Columbia> Virginia> Cornell> Dartmouth> Amherst> M.I.T.> Trinity> Pennsylvania> Brown> Annapolis> West Point > N.Y.U.> California (Berkeley)> Georgetown> Colgate> North Carolina> Hamilton> Wesleyan

This was 60 years ago, though. The Ivy brand has taken a massive hit in the past decade alone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, If you really want to go for old money snob appeal — its the prep schools that really matter. I’m not saying that college doesn’t matter, just that when it comes to identity and family connections, the prep schools matter more.

Think Eton.

I think this is definitely true for east coast prep schools—family tradition, school friends whose parents knew each other, etc. In a dorm, they can tell a bit about each other based on where they went to school, Miss Porter’s, St. Paul’s. It’s a world.

[Anonymous]

^^college dorm

[Anonymous]

Georgia
South Carolina

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we're talking historic old money/blue book WASPs, you can find your answer in this article from 1963, "Colleges of America's Upper Class" https://www.unz.com/print/SaturdayRev-1963nov16-00068/

It's Yale by a lot. Followed by Harvard, then Princeton. Then there's a sharp drop to everything else. For women, it's 7 sisters + junior colleges, more evenly mixed.

Summarizing here:

Colleges most commonly attended by the 1963 college-aged cohort:
Yale (171) > Harvard (123) > Princeton (76) >
Pennsylvania (44)> Trinity > Middlebury > Virginia> Stanford> Williams> Hobart/ North Carolina (tied)> Boston U.> Dartmouth

For women college students, also decreasing order/10+ students listed):
Smith> Vassar> Radcliffe> Wellesley> Wheaton> Bryn Mawr> Sarah Lawrence> 3 junior colleges (Bradford, Bennett, Briarcliff)> Hollins> Connecticut College> Mt. Holyoke> Wells

And for the alma maters of the men listed in the blue book:
Again, Yale (2234), Harvard close behind (1746), Princeton 3rd (1422)
Then there's a sharp drop:
Williams (325), and it goes down from there:
Columbia> Virginia> Cornell> Dartmouth> Amherst> M.I.T.> Trinity> Pennsylvania> Brown> Annapolis> West Point > N.Y.U.> California (Berkeley)> Georgetown> Colgate> North Carolina> Hamilton> Wesleyan

This was 60 years ago, though. The Ivy brand has taken a massive hit in the past decade alone.

So true! Harvard, Yale and Princeton are a thing of the past. Irrelevant!

[Anonymous]

As a wasp here’s my 2 cents:
Princeton and Dartmouth over all the other ives -too leftist
All NESCACs
Seven sisters
UVM
Pine Manor
(Let me think by state)
Bucknell, F&M, CM is a good school but doesn’t have that snob appeal
The Quakers
UVA, HS, W&L URichmond Hollins
Wake is meh …
UNC
Duke - too many Yankees mixes up the status quo
Elon- too popular
AppState -boho in a good way
Rhodes- lots of strive-y yankee moms want their girls to go there
Sewanee- NOT
Vandy - I guess
UTK- lots of drinking
SpringHill College
Maybe Kenyon
Don’t know much about anything further west in terms of snob appeal.
Visited SMU once, kids looked too goody- goody and clean, it’s a dry campus etc no fun!
It’s just harder and colder in the east coast

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HYP, Williams, UVA, Dartmouth

UVA????

No, sorry it doesn't belong in this group. Unlike the others on this list, UVA's snob appeal is regional. UVA does have snob appeal in Virginia. It does not have snob appeal in the Northeast (where I'm from and where I went to college). It's iffy in DC. Can't speak to the rest of the country but I would highly doubt it.

+1

Laughable. Truly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a wasp here’s my 2 cents:
Princeton and Dartmouth over all the other ives -too leftist
All NESCACs
Seven sisters
UVM
Pine Manor
(Let me think by state)
Bucknell, F&M, CM is a good school but doesn’t have that snob appeal
The Quakers
UVA, HS, W&L URichmond Hollins
Wake is meh …
UNC
Duke - too many Yankees mixes up the status quo
Elon- too popular
AppState -boho in a good way
Rhodes- lots of strive-y yankee moms want their girls to go there
Sewanee- NOT
Vandy - I guess
UTK- lots of drinking
SpringHill College
Maybe Kenyon
Don’t know much about anything further west in terms of snob appeal.
Visited SMU once, kids looked too goody- goody and clean, it’s a dry campus etc no fun!
It’s just harder and colder in the east coast

Are you sure you’re not thinking about Baylor? SMU kids are anything but goody-goody. There is a big drug culture there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, UVA has long been a major snob school in the DMV. I realizes that this annoys the hell out of the UVA haters on this board, but that doesn’t change the reality of the situation and in fact probably explains it.

But, it is public. So not much snob appeal since anyone can go there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would not for a second put Brown on this list. I suspect the majority of Brown students are strongly attracted to the lack of required classes. That’s why it is so popular with Hollywood offspring who might not be actual Ivy material, but can get by with a bunch of easier classes. At a school with snob appeal, students wouldn’t be deterred by required classes, even if they included classical languages or ancient philosophy.

Um, each major has its own requirements. It’s not that there are no required classes. Duh.